***The Official 2015 Seattle Seahawks Offseason Thread***

[Kopy 491]

If anyone gets to see camp regularly, please post whenever you can.

I'm most interested in the RB position. I'm under the assumption they're gonna keep both fullbacks. Lynch and Turbin are locks. So it looks like girls name and Rawls for the last spot.

[phillybear 364]

If anyone gets to see camp regularly, please post whenever you can.

I'm most interested in the RB position. I'm under the assumption they're gonna keep both fullbacks. Lynch and Turbin are locks. So it looks like girls name and Rawls for the last spot.

 

I'd say Rawls is the favorite to stick over Girl's Name.

 

Girl's Name still hasn't learned to switch the ball from his right hand to his left hand when he is running left, leaving the ball exposed for defenders to knock out.

[Groundhog 24]

 

I'd say Rawls is the favorite to stick over Girl's Name.

 

Girl's Name still hasn't learned to switch the ball from his right hand to his left hand when he is running left, leaving the ball exposed for defenders to knock out.

 

at some point, the excitement provided by CM's explosiveness/potential has to wane when it becomes apparent that he will never, ever, figure out the nuances of the offense. The CM experiment is now in its 3rd year I think. Rawls likes to run through people and so is a nice replacement (with no change in philosophy) when Lynch needs a rest. If Rawls shines in preseason, I could see the Hawks trading CM to a team like the Texans (out of conference, zone-blocking scheme, injury risk at RB) for a late-round draft pick.

 

on the other hand, Rawls is also leading CM in felony charges, three to zero. So there's that to consider. He'd better get his head on straight.

[jgcrawfish 232]

What's the prevailing thought on the usage of Graham? I call BS on his "I'm going to be blocking 75% of the time" line he threw out there. You don't trade for one of the top 2 receiving TE in the game and use him as a lineman. I ask because the perceived drop off from Gronk to #2TE is the largest of any FF position currently. If Graham and the Hawks are blowing smoke, then his value in FF is being artifically depressed, which I'm all about. So what's the Hawks fans perspective on how they will use him?

[Groundhog 24]

What's the prevailing thought on the usage of Graham? I call BS on his "I'm going to be blocking 75% of the time" line he threw out there. You don't trade for one of the top 2 receiving TE in the game and use him as a lineman. I ask because the perceived drop off from Gronk to #2TE is the largest of any FF position currently. If Graham and the Hawks are blowing smoke, then his value in FF is being artifically depressed, which I'm all about. So what's the Hawks fans perspective on how they will use him?

 

I think 75% is high, but really not outrageously high. When John Schneider built this team, his philosophy was to find a team of guys that would win an alley fight. A team that would out-muscle the other side and make them want to quit. You do that by running the ball down their throats. That is why Lynch is so perfect for this offense. At the same time, you also need the threat of an explosive play over the top to make a defense not willing to completely sell out to stop the run. Graham offers that explosive play potential at TE; they thought they had it with Harvin at WR, but didn't fully realize what a cancer that guy is in a locker room.

 

How is a defense supposed to defend against that guy on this team? If you put in LBs who are fast enough to run with him, they generally aren't the same guys who can sift through the trash and shut down the running play. I could see a lot of games where Graham doesn't have a ton of catches but takes advantage of the ones he does get - maybe a scoreline like 5-90-1, something like that. I would be a little less excited about him in a PPR league as a result.

[jgcrawfish 232]

 

I think 75% is high, but really not outrageously high. When John Schneider built this team, his philosophy was to find a team of guys that would win an alley fight. A team that would out-muscle the other side and make them want to quit. You do that by running the ball down their throats. That is why Lynch is so perfect for this offense. At the same time, you also need the threat of an explosive play over the top to make a defense not willing to completely sell out to stop the run. Graham offers that explosive play potential at TE; they thought they had it with Harvin at WR, but didn't fully realize what a cancer that guy is in a locker room.

 

How is a defense supposed to defend against that guy on this team? If you put in LBs who are fast enough to run with him, they generally aren't the same guys who can sift through the trash and shut down the running play. I could see a lot of games where Graham doesn't have a ton of catches but takes advantage of the ones he does get - maybe a scoreline like 5-90-1, something like that. I would be a little less excited about him in a PPR league as a result.

I've been sort of figuring a drop off in targets and receptions considering they pass about half a much as the offense he's coming from. Also figuring that almost anything inside the 10 is Lynch's to vulture, but hoping he will be a major target from < 25 yrds or so. I feel like the drop from Gronk is SO huge it makes give consideration to using a high draft pick on a position I normally give little thought to.

 

[phillybear 364]

For the most part, Seattle TE's lately don't catch a lot of passes, but when they get one, it's a long gainer. Graham's catches will go down, but I don't see any reason he can't put up monster TD stats. Wilson to Graham this offseason against the Seattle defense has been completely unstoppable.

 

Don't forget to factor in Chris Matthews into the Seattle offense. He is going to be a significant weapon with all indications coming out so far. He is the #3 WR.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

The one thing that makes the big difference is how good Wilson is at extending plays and looking down field for his WR's, this along with his scrambling is one of his elite talents. This is where a lot of GoldenTates and most of Baldwins best catches came from, when the play broke down and they worked to get open. Brees was so accurate and so quick I cant recall seeing Graham scrambling around and making plays once the play broke down but I didn't catch a ton games of the Saints either. This is probably the biggest factor in a boom or bust season for him. I would pay attention to this on the first team reps in the preseason and grade Graham out accordingly.

 

 

When we got Zach Miller he was a pretty popular up and coming FF TE. His numbers fell almost in half, form 60receptions to 30receptions a year, granted he was injured a bunch but buyer beware. I hope to god I am wrong.

[Kopy 491]

The one thing that makes the big difference is how good Wilson is at extending plays and looking down field for his WR's, this along with his scrambling is one of his elite talents. This is where a lot of GoldenTates and most of Baldwins best catches came from, when the play broke down and they worked to get open. Brees was so accurate and so quick I cant recall seeing Graham scrambling around and making plays once the play broke down but I didn't catch a ton games of the Saints either. This is probably the biggest factor in a boom or bust season for him. I would pay attention to this on the first team reps in the preseason and grade Graham out accordingly.

 

 

When we got Zach Miller he was a pretty popular up and coming FF TE. His numbers fell almost in half, form 60receptions to 30receptions a year, granted he was injured a bunch but buyer beware. I hope to god I am wrong.

I think Wilson's bying time will help Lockett more than anyone else. From what I saw of him, he's fast, and can improvise in the open field.

I really think he was a great draft pick. I know this year will be underwhelming, but I really believe Tates last year with us, (his numbers he put up) can be Locketts floor starting next year.

[Groundhog 24]

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-offensive-tackle-justin-britt-a-different-player-now-after-struggles-as-a-rookie/

 

If Britt is able to develop like this article suggests, the right side of that line (assuming we re-sign Sweezy) could be a real positive.

[phillybear 364]

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-offensive-tackle-justin-britt-a-different-player-now-after-struggles-as-a-rookie/

 

If Britt is able to develop like this article suggests, the right side of that line (assuming we re-sign Sweezy) could be a real positive.

 

He can't get any worse. Last season, he was ranked the worst pass protecting offensive lineman in the entire NFL.

[Kopy 491]

I really don't think we should resign Okung, unless he gives us a huge discount.

If he asks for top LT money, I think we should be willing to move on. Much like we did with Unger, and Zack Miller, as much as I like everyone, you gotta turn the page.

[Groundhog 24]

I really don't think we should resign Okung, unless he gives us a huge discount.

If he asks for top LT money, I think we should be willing to move on. Much like we did with Unger, and Zack Miller, as much as I like everyone, you gotta turn the page.

 

Ironically, if Okung gets injured once again this year, that might help the team make a decision on him. Let's say he misses a few games with turf toe or something like that. Gives them a chance to try out Gilliam or Bailey in that role. But if he stays healthy for 16 games? We won't really have a good idea how much of a drop-off there is between Okung and next best available.

 

Or maybe I'm overthinking this, and the extensions to Wilson and Wagner make a new deal for Okung a non-starter. Whatever the cap is supposed to go up by in 2016, Wilson's cap hit growth in 2016 already eats that up.

[phillybear 364]

 

Ironically, if Okung gets injured once again this year, that might help the team make a decision on him. Let's say he misses a few games with turf toe or something like that. Gives them a chance to try out Gilliam or Bailey in that role. But if he stays healthy for 16 games? We won't really have a good idea how much of a drop-off there is between Okung and next best available.

 

Or maybe I'm overthinking this, and the extensions to Wilson and Wagner make a new deal for Okung a non-starter. Whatever the cap is supposed to go up by in 2016, Wilson's cap hit growth in 2016 already eats that up.

 

With Mebane, Harvin dead money, and maybe Cary Williams coming off the cap, and the cap increase, plenty of wiggle room to get contracts signed. I wouldn't worry about money available and spend more focus on whether we want a player back.

 

Mebane declined a contract renegotiation, so he's gone next year. Harvin is self explanatory. Williams might be replaceable if some of the young guys develop. We need him this year because Simon and Lane might start on the PUP at the beginning of the season.

[Kopy 491]

Word I keep hearing is Dion Bailey is looking terrific so far. If you guys remember, I said he was the best undrafted kid we brought in last year. Spent all last year on the p.s.

Mark my words, Carroll stole this kid.

[Kopy 491]

What do you guys think about our TE situation this year?

I'm thinking alot of 2 TE sets. We know we're not a feed 1 reciever type team. Can you guys see Graham AND Luke Willson be our top 2 recievers this year? Baldwin and the rest will get their stuff, sure. But man I'm thinking Willson can be sneaky good this year.

[Groundhog 24]

What do you guys think about our TE situation this year?

I'm thinking alot of 2 TE sets. We know we're not a feed 1 reciever type team. Can you guys see Graham AND Luke Willson be our top 2 recievers this year? Baldwin and the rest will get their stuff, sure. But man I'm thinking Willson can be sneaky good this year.

funny you mention that. I was just going to post that I think we have a logjam at this position and maybe the front office thinks about trading one of these guys to the Redskins - PFT notes that the Skins have a ton of injured guys at TE now. Graham and Willson are the top 2 TEs, but then you still have Helfet, McCoy and Allen. McCoy has been regularly injured, and Helfet recently injured, but both of those guys can catch and run, especially Helfet. Not a lock to make the roster at all. Why not pick up a 2016 draft pick for one of them?

 

I think we run 2-TE sets to the extent that Graham shows willingness and effectiveness at blocking. Hopefully that can be coached-up.

[phillybear 364]

Hot steaming garbage. The Seahawks looked like pure and utter sh!t. Brock Stinkin' Osweiler picked them apart all night. I had flashbacks to 2010. The 3rd down defense was non existent, just giving up chunks of yards over and over again. The offensive line was a sieve; the starters were abused, the 2nd string was abused, the 3rd string was beaten like Ray Rice's wife. Coaches running into refs on the side line. Tarvaris Jackson and Chris Matthews hurt. Girl's Name still miraculously has a roster spot today. Holy Toledo.

 

After conceding the effort and talent available was poor, let's try to find some positives. T Jax and Chris Matthews won't miss significant time and may both be back in 2 to 3 weeks. Jackson has a high ankle sprain that looked much worse. Matthews has a hurt shoulder. Frank Clark was all over the field and the defensive line as a whole applied good pressure and looked like they may be a strength like the line of Super Bowl winning year. Tyler Lockett looked extremely good returning the ball. Please don't use Lockett on offense that much, because the risk of injury would increase. Need him to play special teams. In the big picture, I didn't disagree with the talent of these players when drafted; just where they were drafted, maybe a bit early. Both seemed like they can make an impact this year, and that's all you can really ask. After Clark and Lockett, uh, um, I had trouble really feeling good about much else. Maybe I was downing too many rum and limes. Stupid me even bet on the Hawks. I'm a horse's ass.

 

The days of dominating preseason games, especially at home, have come crashing to an end.

[phillybear 364]

I went back and reread some draft stuff. I was amazed that I wasn't as hyper critical as usual and gave our draft a C-. I must not have been feeling like myself that weekend.

 

I seemed to be OK with Clark the player, just questioned taking him that early considering how teams tend to shy away from off field issue players in the draft and felt we could have waited a bit on him. But, he seems like he might be a player. Good.

 

I killed the Lockett trade, giving up so many picks for a special teams player. I never, not once, questioned his ability to perform on special teams. I was mad at giving up the draft capital and questioned his ability to contribute on offense as an impact player. I'm not eating crow for that; I stand by those observations. But the guy looked good on returns, real good. Hope he keeps it up.

[Hawkfin 32]

I think you should eat the crow Phillybear. hehehe

 

You called Clark a 6th rounder, and no better then a 4th with major off field issues.

I won't even get into the Lockett smack you hammered on over and over.

 

I loved these 2 picks, and even more now. Clark might end up starting he looked that good.

Wait till you see Lockett at wide - He's going to shine there too. (He might be our next R. Wilson steel IMO)

He fills a huge hole on our special teams though, and most of us saw that as super important. Team game - remember. STU are just as important as anything, especially when they were hindering us. Both these cats were sweet picks and will be plugged right in and help contribute in many ways.

 

Anyway,

I agree that we looked like crap other then those 2 players. I worry about our Oline big time. First play - Fking Britt beat bad.

Our Oline and #2 CB big concerns for me.

 

But, it's still preseason game #1. Not that big of a deal. Nothing to worry about. I like the Centers.

 

A+ draft I still say, especially when you factor in the Graham trade. Just need one or both of those O-line guys to pan out though. I didn't see much so far.

I think we have a little problem drafting quality O-line. They have missed a lot on this position. They need to start looking at pass protection O-line when they evaluate. It's not working what they are doing at this position IMO.

Graham is going to be so sweet for R. Wilson. That trade put this draft over the top.

 

GO HAWKS.

[phillybear 364]

I think you should eat the crow Phillybear. hehehe

 

You called Clark a 6th rounder, and no better then a 4th with major off field issues.

I won't even get into the Lockett smack you hammered on over and over.

 

I loved these 2 picks, and even more now. Clark might end up starting he looked that good.

Wait till you see Lockett at wide - He's going to shine there too. (He might be our next R. Wilson steel IMO)

He fills a huge hole on our special teams though, and most of us saw that as super important. Team game - remember. STU are just as important as anything, especially when they were hindering us. Both these cats were sweet picks and will be plugged right in and help contribute in many ways.

 

Anyway,

I agree that we looked like crap other then those 2 players. I worry about our Oline big time. First play - Fking Britt beat bad.

Our Oline and #2 CB big concerns for me.

 

But, it's still preseason game #1. Not that big of a deal. Nothing to worry about. I like the Centers.

 

A+ draft I still say, especially when you factor in the Graham trade. Just need one or both of those O-line guys to pan out though. I didn't see much so far.

I think we have a little problem drafting quality O-line. They have missed a lot on this position. They need to start looking at pass protection O-line when they evaluate. It's not working what they are doing at this position IMO.

Graham is going to be so sweet for R. Wilson. That trade put this draft over the top.

 

GO HAWKS.

 

No crow to be eaten.

 

I had posted that Frank Clark was a consensus 6th round choice about a week prior to the draft, but he had risen somewhat leading up to it, into the 4th round range. I went so far as to mock draft him for the Seahawks in the 4th round. He was considered a lower pick due to his off field issues. I felt he went a bit high to the Seahawks, but we won't really know if anybody else was willing to take him so high.

 

While Lockett had an impact on special teams, he had zero catchers for zero yards on offense. Everybody was celebrating what Lockett was going to bring to the offense while I was the lone wet blanket. Thus far, I have not been wrong. And the fact that we gave up so many picks for a specialist still makes it a bad trade and automatically lowers the overall draft grade.

 

Nobody else from the past draft is doing anything. If none of the offensive linemen work out, which is a real possibility, then this last draft is only a little better than the past two previous years of sh!t drafts.

 

If the team looks bad vs the Chiefs, there is real room for concern.

[Kopy 491]

Philly is gettin a #16 jersey this year.

[Kopy 491]

Anyone think it might be worth while to offer the Eagles a late rounder for Matt Barkley?

[Groundhog 24]

The fact that the team is tinkering with assignments on the O-line (surprise!) is a problem in itself. Can't develop continuity if you take young OL guys and cast around for a solution. Britt being tried out at LG, Gilliam at RT. Line play in the Broncos game was terrible. Fortunately we have a QB who excels when out of the pocket. Might as well just move him out of the pocket ourselves before the pressure has a chance to collapse on him. It's like leaving your glove box open and your empty car unlocked so that no one tries to bust a window to break in and steal potential valuables. They're getting in anyway so let's just minimize the damage. But look, we let Carp go because we didn't/couldn't afford to pay him what he could get elsewhere, and keeping Unger would mean not getting Graham. It's a bet that Cable can coach up the line into serviceability on the cheap.

 

The first game is against the Rams who might have the best D-line we'll see all season. No scheduling favors there. If Nick Foles is even halfway decent, it could be a two-team race between us and the Rams this year. I don't trust Palmer to stay healthy in Arizona and the Niners are in rebuilding mode.

[Groundhog 24]

Anyone think it might be worth while to offer the Eagles a late rounder for Matt Barkley?

 

No. I don't think Barkley has the arm strength we need at the QB position. Archer doesn't have it either, but I'd rather bring in an UDFA than give up a draft pick for a guy who can't do what we would need him to do. We don't throw a lot, but when we do, he has to make the defense pay down the field.

[Kopy 491]

OK fellas, It's game time.

What are the odds we can pull out both the offensive and defensive rookie of the years?

They keep up the preseason rate, we're lookin good.

[Reality 2,710]

Carroll is still making brilliant decisions.

 

One of the dumbest onside kicks I've ever seen.

[uwmalcolm 73]

Ugh. The onside kick wasn't completely insane with the new OT rules, but the play calling and o-line play was pretty pathetic. The Rams D is legit though.

[edjr 5,564]

Where are all the seahag fans now?

[Hawkfin 32]

Busy with F.F.

1 word - Bevel. Ugh
Run up the middle, pass to the side, shotgun all day, bad clock management - That's it. That's all we did.

Vanilla is an understatement. It was much worse then Vanilla.

 

Def not much better - 1 blitz and it happened to go for a sack, fumble, TD. Other then that - Let them do what they will and go into prevent/zones when it matters most.

 

I could call a better game plan. Mamma Lynch is right - Geez.

 

Things to do Bevel!!!!

 

Roll Wilson out - Never happened (Don't they know he's best at passing on the run - Not sitting in the collapsed pocket)

Wilson option play with Lynch/Option run-pass - Never happened

Pitch out to Lynch instead of running up the middle every time - Not once

Go deep - Not once

Pass more then 20 yards - I don't think so. Maybe twice.

Screen play over the middle sucking in their pressure def - Nope. Only to the side allowing CB's to swoop in instead of blitzers

Good mix of pass/run plays to mix up the def

Better routes and plays

Under Center to mix things up - seemed like Shotgun all day

 

Probably a million more things.

Better wake up Bevel/Pete or we will be 0-2

[Kopy 491]

I'm truly convinced Bevel has naked pictures of Carroll. This guy should've been fired 2 years ago. So now it is for the 3rd year in a row, I say FIRE BEVEL.

[Kopy 491]

Apparently Marshawn Lynch's mom is a very intelligent woman. Enough said as far as I'm concerned.

I love my seahawks.

I love paul Allen as an owner.

I love Schneider as gm.

I love Carroll as a head coach.

I love my players/team.

And for the 3rd year in row. FIRE DARRELL BEVELL!

[jgcrawfish 232]

Gawd, I missed this thread and all the blathering Seahawks fans that lived in it. Where you at now guys?

 

- Crushing superbowl loss...check

- 2-4 record the following season to validate the curse of the Superbowl losers...check

- The deafening sound of crickets in the "offical" thread of the most obnoxious fans on the mange bored...priceless.

 

[uwmalcolm 73]

Gawd, I missed this thread and all the blathering Seahawks fans that lived in it. Where you at now guys?

 

- Crushing superbowl loss...check

- 2-4 record the following season to validate the curse of the Superbowl losers...check

- The deafening sound of crickets in the "offical" thread of the most obnoxious fans on the mange bored...priceless.

 

We're nursing our depression and hangovers. LAY OFF US!!!

 

Maybe someone just needs to start a 2015-16 thread and the faucet will start flowing again?

[brotherbock 349]

We're nursing our depression and hangovers. LAY OFF US!!!

 

Maybe someone just needs to start a 2015-15 thread and the faucet will start flowing again?

 

Hey, but that Russell Wilson...that's a really attractive guy, no? That's something to still be happy about

[BunnysBastatrds 1,916]

Petey Fawking up as usual. Funny! How's that salary cap working out for you Carrol? Grahm? Wilson? Welcome to the real world stopid.

[Kopy 491]

I might be in a seahawk minority, but I'm not gonna worry about this season until I see them play the next 2 games.

We're 2-4, yeah it sucks, but we lost 1 game at rams, where we always seem to have trouble playing. And the other 3 losses are against a combined 17-0 undefeated teams, and we were competitive in all of them.

The schedule gets much easier from here on out, and we still have our bye yet to come. If we blow these next two games, and start losing to teams we should beat, yup, we got an issue, and a lost season on our hands. But otherwise, it's way too early to panick. The results so far just mean we'd have to win a playoff game or 2 on the road.

I understand your a message board tough guy bunny, but I think you should wait a couple more weeks before you go the swampdog route in this thread.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I just hope you kick the crap out of the Cowboys.

[brotherbock 349]

I might be in a seahawk minority, but I'm not gonna worry about this season until I see them play the next 2 games.

We're 2-4, yeah it sucks, but we lost 1 game at rams, where we always seem to have trouble playing. And the other 3 losses are against a combined 17-0 undefeated teams, and we were competitive in all of them.

The schedule gets much easier from here on out, and we still have our bye yet to come. If we blow these next two games, and start losing to teams we should beat, yup, we got an issue, and a lost season on our hands. But otherwise, it's way too early to panick. The results so far just mean we'd have to win a playoff game or 2 on the road.

I understand your a message board tough guy bunny, but I think you should wait a couple more weeks before you go the swampdog route in this thread.

Well, I don't see a need for your rationality in here. Waiting to see indeed!

[R8RMick 242]

I actually liked what I saw from Beast Mode against a tough Carolina run defense. If they can get Lynch going... maybe.