so is the fight over? gay marriage

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hearing about two princes might make my 2nd grader gay.

BTW...only think I could find about that was a teacher who read it to a 2nd grader and if you search for that book and 2nd grade you get quite a few Glenn Beck links.

 

My guess was this was a small thing done in very few places at all and the right went nuts as if it was a widespread thing pushed by some ghey overlords.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Hearing about two princes might make my 2nd grader gay.

BTW...only think I could find about that was a teacher who read it to a 2nd grader and if you search for that book and 2nd grade you get quite a few Glenn Beck links.

 

My guess was this was a small thing done in very few places at all and the right went nuts as if it was a widespread thing pushed by some ghey overlords.

 

You asked a queston about "What kind of ghey books exist that they would be teaching in schools?" And I answered your question with a real life example.

 

If you don't want the answer to a question then don't ask it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

You asked a queston about "What kind of ghey books exist that they would be teaching in schools?" And I answered your question with a real life example.

 

If you don't want the answer to a question then don't ask it.

 

And I said it was literature and art and plenty probably already had gay overtones. You know...the part you parsed out.

[parrot 790]

 

 

That would certainly be a horrible thing, teaching kids about stuff that actually happens.

 

This. Gay people exist. We've spent a few millennia trying to force them out of the picture, but it hasn't worked. Now they are having the utter gall to think they get to come out of the closet and just live their life like everybody else. They are going to increasingly be a part of everyday life. I don't see any problem with my kids getting clued in to this. I don't get "protecting" kids from real-world stuff that is in no way harmful for them to hear about.

[Mike Honcho 5,558]

Fight over...mostly, but the opponents don't seem to know it yet.

 

 

Bobby Jindal’s Religious Liberty Executive Order Is Probably Illegal, Definitely Anti-Gay

 

On Tuesday, Louisiana civil liberties groups filed a lawsuit against Gov. Bobby Jindal’s recent “Marriage and Conscience” executive order, which allowed businesses and government employees to refuse service to gay couples. The order, these groups claim, exceeds Jindal’s power under the Louisiana constitution. Jindal’s executive order named a certain class of people—marriage equality opponents—and granted them a special right to discriminate against gay couples. But the Louisiana constitution doesn’t authorize the governor to impose a substantive right by executive order. Jindal’s “Marriage and Conscience” order should thus be rendered invalid.

 

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

 

That would certainly be a horrible thing, teaching kids about stuff that actually happens.

Infidelity and spousal abuse happens too. I guess it's never too early to teach about that either.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

This. Gay people exist. We've spent a few millennia trying to force them out of the picture, but it hasn't worked. Now they are having the utter gall to think they get to come out of the closet and just live their life like everybody else. They are going to increasingly be a part of everyday life. I don't see any problem with my kids getting clued in to this. I don't get "protecting" kids from real-world stuff that is in no way harmful for them to hear about.

 

*I* don't disagree with you. So *I* wouldn't take my kid out of school that day. But *I* do understand where another parent would like to be informed of the teachings of a book like King & King if its in the cirriculum of an elementary school class.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Story time is now the "curriculum"?

[Frank M 181]

Infidelity and spousal abuse happens too. I guess it's never too early to teach about that either.

 

Equating loving homosexual relationships with infidelity and spousal abuse.

 

I guess that's better than linking them with Incest, polygamy, pedophilia, and bestiality, which seems to be the norm.

[NewbieJr 541]

Hearing about two princes might make my 2nd grader gay.

 

Why do you hate the Spin Doctors?

[FeelingMN 273]

Crap....listening to the radio this morning with the kids in the car. Song called Kissing Boys in the Street by Greg Holden comes on. My boys heard it. All of it. I think they might have caught the gay.

[NewbieJr 541]

Crap....listening to the radio this morning with the kids in the car. Song called Kissing Boys in the Street by Greg Holden comes on. My boys heard it. All of it. I think they might have caught the gay.

Keep 'em away from Usher songs or they'll catch the black, too

[porkbutt 897]

what a bunch of degenerate perverts at that ny pride parade...and people bring their kids

 

that's focked up

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Never is a strong word. But do you think peer-pressure gay encounters are commonplace?[/quote

 

Impossible to know, but I do know that teenagers do lots of things to fit in, gain acceptance and seek affection. So I do think that it occurs, but I don't think it's as common as a girl having sex for those reasons.

And what consequence of these encounters do you fear? PTSD? Do you think they might turn an otherwise straight kid gay? More STIs? No increase in unintended pregnancies at least.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Really strange how many adults think that you can catch "teh ghey" like its some kind of fad or disease. Sorry but I like poosay and even as a kid I liked poosay. Being around twinks would not have changed this about me, ever. Theres no consequences that can happen.

[lickin_starfish 2,040]

I have already taught my children about the gheys. I have told them that everyone is different. Sometimes there are abnormalities that make a person weird and gross, but we should still treat them with kindness.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Really strange how many adults think that you can catch "teh ghey"

Who said that in this thread?

 

Or are we spinning things, taking them out of context, and creating alternate meanings again?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

And what consequence of these encounters do you fear? PTSD? Do you think they might turn an otherwise straight kid gay? More STIs? No increase in unintended pregnancies at least.

I think that kids are easier to influence than adults, and I think some parents worry about the influences on their children.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I think that kids are easier to influence than adults, and I think some parents worry about the influences on their children.

Your statement is accurate on both counts, but my question is, what specifically are you/they worried about?

 

Unjustified, irrational concerns aren't a reason for discrimination IMO.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Your statement is accurate on both counts, but my question is, what specifically are you/they worried about?

 

Unjustified, irrational concerns aren't a reason for discrimination IMO.

I wasn't saying anything about discrimination. I was just saying that parents have a right to be concerned about the influences on their children. From my point of view, teaching young children about any kind of sexuality is not the schools job.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I wasn't saying anything about discrimination. I was just saying that parents have a right to be concerned about the influences on their children. From my point of view, teaching young children about any kind of sexuality is not the schools job.

So should stories with heterosexual couples be removed from curricula as well?

 

Maybe focus on asexual reproduction instead?

[Sho Nuff 720]

http://m.mic.com/articles/121596/bibles-guide-to-a-successful-fundamentalist-christian-marriage?utm_source=huffpost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=partner

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

So should stories with heterosexual couples be removed from curricula as well?

 

Maybe focus on asexual reproduction instead?

This is starting to really become like the civil rights movement. Of course reasonable intelligent people believe in equal rights for gay people, just like they believed in equal rights for minorities. Then they got pushed a little too hard.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

So should stories with heterosexual couples be removed from curricula as well?

 

Maybe focus on asexual reproduction instead?

You do realize that gay people are a very small part of the populace, right? So they have equal rights (good) but now a very small percentage of the population should be given equal representation as well?

[KSB2424 3,174]

Public elementary schools do not need to insert agendas surrounding adult relationships in some thought that we have to show them gheys!!

 

When the time comes to speak about reproduction and sex education / biology they can explain how sperm and an egg meet, so on and yada.

 

Adult relationships can be taught at home. This shiit ain't hard.

[FeelingMN 273]

Bert and Ernie....gotta be gay.

 

Fred from Scooby Doo? Queer.

 

Everybody here except drobeski likes women, so what's the big deal?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

It's like the Seinfeld when Kramer was marching in the aids walkathon. He was there, he was supporting, but they wanted him to wear the ribbon.he didn't want to wear the ribbon. Just because I believe in the basics of a cause, doesn't mean I have to agree with every aspect of it. Maybe a lot of people feel the same way.

[penultimatestraw 473]

You do realize that gay people are a very small part of the populace, right? So they have equal rights (good) but now a very small percentage of the population should be given equal representation as well?

~10% of the population (I know that figure is debatable), a bit less than African Americans. Comparable to Asian Americans.

 

Nobody said anything about equal representation, but it shouldn't be surprising if homosexuality is discussed at some point, rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

[Frank M 181]

~10% of the population (I know that figure is debatable), a bit less than African Americans. Comparable to Asian Americans.

 

Nobody said anything about equal representation, but it shouldn't be surprising if homosexuality is discussed at some point, rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

 

But...but... homosexuals have icky sex lives so we shouldn't talk about them, even in a way that doesn't include references to sex at all, or else our kids may be exposed to gayness, and that is bad.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

~10% of the population (I know that figure is debatable), a bit less than African Americans. Comparable to Asian Americans.

 

Nobody said anything about equal representation, but it shouldn't be surprising if homosexuality is discussed at some point, rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

Sure, discussed at some point. I don't think that point is second grade. And when it is, I don't think making a big deal about it or celebrating it should happen.

[Frank M 181]

Sure, discussed at some point. I don't think that point is second grade. And when it is, I don't think making a big deal about it or celebrating it should happen.

 

Every fairytale that any second grader is potentially exposed to has the princess marrying the prince in a huge celebration at the end. The only difference is that it's the prince marrying the prince.

 

I've never heard any complaints about exposing them to a heterosexual adult relationship or concern about celebrating it. The only difference is that people think something is inherently wrong with gay relationships and that by exposing kids to the fact that they exist may somehow damage them. It's all a bunch of BS.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

Every fairytale that any second grader is potentially exposed to has the princess marrying the prince in a huge celebration at the end. The only difference is that it's the prince marrying the prince.

 

I've never heard any complaints about exposing them to a heterosexual adult relationship or concern about celebrating it. The only difference is that people think something is inherently wrong with gay relationships and that by exposing kids to the fact that they exist may somehow damage them. It's all a bunch of BS.

Again, time and place. Second grade isn't either.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Do you all think 2nd graders have not noticed things?

Or heard things already?

[KSB2424 3,174]

Do you all think 2nd graders have not noticed things?

Or heard things already?

 

Public School, especially elemenatry school is a place to teach reading, writing, math, science, etc.

 

Leave things like adult relationships to the Parents, mmmmkay?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Public School, especially elemenatry school is a place to teach reading, writing, math, science, etc.

 

Leave things like adult relationships to the Parents, mmmmkay?

 

Who said they are teaching relationships...again...it was reading a freaking story.

That is what we are discussing.

So I guess all stories with any relationships in them should be banned from elementary school.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Do you all think 2nd graders have not noticed things?

Or heard things already?

Of course I do. How could they not? It's not the point. I'd rather my child learn academics first and I can handle the other stuff for now.

[Frank M 181]

Again, time and place. Second grade isn't either.

 

That doesn't answer the question. What's the difference to a second grader between a story that celebrates the marriage of a prince and princess, which they will be exposed to at that age, and one that celebrates the marriage of a prince to a prince?

 

The only difference is the gay aspect. Is that somehow more damaging to a second grader?

 

I would argue that exposing them to the fact that there are gay relationships at that age demystifies the whole subject and would likely lessen the chances of them becoming a bigot about it later.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

That doesn't answer the question. What's the difference to a second grader between a story that celebrates the marriage of a prince and princess, which they will be exposed to at that age, and one that celebrates the marriage of a prince to a prince?

 

The only difference is the gay aspect. Is that somehow more damaging to a second grader?

 

I would argue that exposing them to the fact that there are gay relationships at that age demystifies the whole subject and would likely lessen the chances of them becoming a bigot about it later.

I would rather do the demystifying myself.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

That doesn't answer the question. What's the difference to a second grader between a story that celebrates the marriage of a prince and princess, which they will be exposed to at that age, and one that celebrates the marriage of a prince to a prince?

 

The only difference is the gay aspect. Is that somehow more damaging to a second grader?

 

I would argue that exposing them to the fact that there are gay relationships at that age demystifies the whole subject and would likely lessen the chances of them becoming a bigot about it later.

Its inappropriate at that age.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

What's the difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals? Who they choose to have sex with. So any discussion about it, is, in essence a sex talk. I would rather have a sex talk at a later stage, but if there has to be one earlier, I'll handle it.