Fanduel - Straight up? Step inside......

[SpenceToons 70]

I understand the game setup just fine but apparently don't share your trust when it comes to comes to coincidences. When I hear a quack, I assume there's a duck nearby.

 

 

 

It's still an assumption though. Meanwhile, there's an 800 pound gorilla sitting in the room - the growth you've experienced in your account balance - and that is incontrovertible fact. You couldn't win at that rate at the blackjack table....goons wearing dark shades would escort you to the back room to break your knuckles. The fact that you've been as successful as you have shows that there is something very right and proper going on in DFS-world despite the swirling torrent of misgivings that folks are expressing at the moment.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

It's not a coincidence... If you understood the game setup then you would know there's nothing odd about a) new player (we have no info beyond new to the specific site) b)with a few long shot players (which will be in every winning lineup for major prize pool tournaments).

 

Look at every winning line up of Guaranteed Prizepool tournaments this season. Without long shots you end up with splits.

 

Okay man; we aren't going to agree. I understand the strategy to win a GPP however I don't believe THAT scenario happens as often as you think or that it's on the up and up. Three rolls (and only 3 rolls from what I see) and he hits 1st, 1st, 2nd in the only two he's in. You give them the benefit of the doubt and I choose to question the results; period.

[Yogidog 1]

The "skill" mathematians have over the average FF player is volume of entries. It mentions maxdulary (he is real and he's on draft kings) he has an 8% return on his investment which is a great return if you put up 150k but that means he also had a lot of duds. It's the price you pay for having a lot of different line ups. I've played in tournaments against maxdulary and he doesn't win all the prizes. In fact it makes it easier to get into the money because you know some of his lineups are contrarian and are long shots. He's not entering one line up over and over again, like the player filthy is talking about, that's fishy.

[nzoner 936]

Sirius/XM's DFS show yesterday had the FD million dollar winner from this last week on for an interview.He's a 41 year old truck driver and after the interview I have to admit it sounded totally legit to me as the guy talked about why he chose the players he chose.Funny part was he's a Steeler's fan and his dad is a Browns fan,he got down to needing one more wr and couldn't make a line-up work so he asked his dad who the kid from the Browns was that he liked,ended up Travis Benjamin's salary fit.

 

Like I've said previously I've won enough to keep me interested and as long as I'm playing on house money will continue to play.

[Maulers1973 117]

 

A heavy underlying theme to that article is that DFS is an endeavor which lends itself to skill-based approaches. That it's an entirely different animal from the lottery, roulette, or slot machines; which the mathematicians aren't going to waste a minute of software development time on.

 

Ok, so the article that I posted indicates it's difficult for the average Joe to win because the mathmeticians are stuffing the games with max entries. Yet, the Biggest pot winnings went to some random new guy with 3 exact same entries. This screams red flag to me.

[Big Guy 1,400]

is it worth the $

 

what about Draft Kings?

[Newkid 1]

 

Okay man; we aren't going to agree. I understand the strategy to win a GPP however I don't believe THAT scenario happens as often as you think or that it's on the up and up. Three rolls (and only 3 rolls from what I see) and he hits 1st, 1st, 2nd in the only two he's in. You give them the benefit of the doubt and I choose to question the results; period.

Of course if he wins one tournament with a long shot line up he is likely to win the other one also.

 

It is the SAME line up... Which means the TOTAL POINTS is the SAME.

 

Odds have NOTHING to do with it. The person's chance of winning if he submitted that SAME line up one time is the same as submitting it 50 times. If he submitted that line up 50 times he would have won a lot more. From what you have said so far, if that did happen, you would be thinkng "What?!? How is it possible that this person only put in 50 rolls and won with all 50 of them? Even though the 50 lineups are the same and scored the same total, that possibly be the reason why they all cashed."

 

If you still don't understand, that's fine.

[Newkid 1]

 

Ok, so the article that I posted indicates it's difficult for the average Joe to win because the mathmeticians are stuffing the games with max entries. Yet, the Biggest pot winnings went to some random new guy with 3 exact same entries. This screams red flag to me.

Pros invest in contest with small number of entries like h2h, 4 player, 6 player etc. because the variance of the biggest prize pool tournaments are too high. The larger the participant pool, the more luck is involved.

 

You will see pros enter the Same Lineup into hundreds and thousands of small contests of both low and high stakes.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

 

If you still don't understand, that's fine.

I understand what you're saying but you apparently aren't getting the gist of what I'm trying to convey.

No experienced player (and that's who would submit that lineup with those entries knowing being contrarian is what it takes to win) would ONLY submit 1 entry with 2 long shots. They would hedge their bets some and have a few lineups with a couple different players substituted for those long shot plays. Having Crabtree and Vereen in that same entry and that be their ONLY entry to take the jackpot is the fishy part. On top of that is the newness of the account.

Searching on the guy's name there, reveals 3 wins. So this new, possibly experienced player has won 3 times ($100,000 + $20,000 + $20,000) this week and didn't win anything else (assuming he played other entries). I find it hard to believe he was smart enough to come up with that lineup but not smart enough to place in the money in other contests (if he did actually play as Fanduel Support claims he did).

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If you don't find that the least bit odd or fishy, you're naive.

[brotherbock 349]

 

It's still an assumption though. Meanwhile, there's an 800 pound gorilla sitting in the room - the growth you've experienced in your account balance - and that is incontrovertible fact. You couldn't win at that rate at the blackjack table....goons wearing dark shades would escort you to the back room to break your knuckles. The fact that you've been as successful as you have shows that there is something very right and proper going on in DFS-world despite the swirling torrent of misgivings that folks are expressing at the moment.

 

That doesn't follow. The fact that Oprah and Obama have come from modest beginnings to ridiculous success does not show that therefore there is something right and proper going on with the odds of poorer black people in our country becoming successful.

 

If I was going to run a huge scam on the scale of these sites (I'm not saying they are scams...hypothetically here), I would damn well make sure that there were people winning a lot of money as well. It's the people winning the money--honest people who are not part of the scam--that would be driving others towards believing that my scam was not a scam.

 

Particularly on the scale of these sites. I will gladly orchestrate things so that a few people win a lot of money, if that drove a lot of people to my site where I could fleece them one or two times before they gave up. There are enough people in this world who may play to make that kind of scam a winner for me. This would be particularly a good strategy if you thought that A) the gubmint may shut it all down soon and/or B ) you would run the site for a few years and then shut it down yourself when something else catches the public's eye. Either way, you make your money and are gone fleecing people before the pool of people willing to lose a couple times before quitting dries up.

 

Again, hypothetically...the existence of people winning a lot of money is perfectly compatible with the presence of a scam.

[Maulers1973 117]

 

That doesn't follow. The fact that Oprah and Obama have come from modest beginnings to ridiculous success does not show that therefore there is something right and proper going on with the odds of poorer black people in our country becoming successful.

 

If I was going to run a huge scam on the scale of these sites (I'm not saying they are scams...hypothetically here), I would damn well make sure that there were people winning a lot of money as well. It's the people winning the money--honest people who are not part of the scam--that would be driving others towards believing that my scam was not a scam.

 

Particularly on the scale of these sites. I will gladly orchestrate things so that a few people win a lot of money, if that drove a lot of people to my site where I could fleece them one or two times before they gave up. There are enough people in this world who may play to make that kind of scam a winner for me. This would be particularly a good strategy if you thought that A) the gubmint may shut it all down soon and/or B ) you would run the site for a few years and then shut it down yourself when something else catches the public's eye. Either way, you make your money and are gone fleecing people before the pool of people willing to lose a couple times before quitting dries up.

 

Again, hypothetically...the existence of people winning a lot of money is perfectly compatible with the presence of a scam.

 

Well, actually, you would then sell the company for a cool billion dollars and walk away from any and all stress surrounding governemnt intervention/regulation, distrust, unrest, cries of corruption.

[SpenceToons 70]

 

That doesn't follow. The fact that Oprah and Obama have come from modest beginnings to ridiculous success does not show that therefore there is something right and proper going on with the odds of poorer black people in our country becoming successful.

 

If I was going to run a huge scam on the scale of these sites (I'm not saying they are scams...hypothetically here), I would damn well make sure that there were people winning a lot of money as well. It's the people winning the money--honest people who are not part of the scam--that would be driving others towards believing that my scam was not a scam.

 

Particularly on the scale of these sites. I will gladly orchestrate things so that a few people win a lot of money, if that drove a lot of people to my site where I could fleece them one or two times before they gave up. There are enough people in this world who may play to make that kind of scam a winner for me. This would be particularly a good strategy if you thought that A) the gubmint may shut it all down soon and/or B ) you would run the site for a few years and then shut it down yourself when something else catches the public's eye. Either way, you make your money and are gone fleecing people before the pool of people willing to lose a couple times before quitting dries up.

 

Again, hypothetically...the existence of people winning a lot of money is perfectly compatible with the presence of a scam.

 

 

First of all, the OP’s own experience with FanDuel is a much stronger form of evidence than the alarm that’s arisen because a new contestant scored a big prize with 3 entries concentrated all right at the top. The latter is not even evidence of wrongdoing at all…it’s merely a coincidence that’s aroused suspicion.

 

You’ve got your Oprah-Obama analogy turned inside out. No one would argue that the most accurate picture of the prospects of African Americans in our society would best be gleaned by a focus amongst the rank and file rather than the Oprahs and Obamas. I’m not holding Filthy, myself, nzoner, or any of the other DFS players who have contributed to this thread up to be Obamas or Oprahs. None of us have scooped the top jackpots or been featured on a TV commercial. Rather, I see us as the rank and file – we post here, for pete’s sake.

 

Forget the fact that some of us have experienced surpsingly good success from a rate-of-return standpoint. Just the fact that we can see that our tabulated scores change in accordance with the action we see on the TV and in the box scores, that our account balances are updated accurately after the end of a week’s contests, that our withdrawal requests are handled accurately and promptly – all that stuff is evidence from the rank and file that everything is indeed “right and proper” in DFS land. So much so, that I’m not swayed when there are cries that a contestant who got to be “Obama” for a week could have only done so in an underhanded manner.

 

Sure, hypothetically, people winning lots of money and having all their affairs handled properly could still be compatible with a scam. But the reality is that it’s more likely the sign of a legitimately run operation. I trust my DFS site like I trust my grocer. It’s gonna take court convictions, not just crazy coincidences, to sway me.

 

[Edit: I was just about to post this and I gave your 3^rd paragraph a closer look and had to lol. Which would brotherbock really do if he was in charge of a DFS site here in 2015 ? 1) Try for the scam and the quick 500 million and risk jail time or 2) run his DFS site legitimately for the long term, retire in 30 years as a multi-billionaire, and have his grandkids be proud of him. Obviously, the answer is 2. ]

 

 

[Edit no. 2: I guess I still didn't read the 3rd paragraph closely enough. You would have a couple of legitimate reasons to not project the rosiest of futures past 5 years. But PokerStars continues to thrive despite the actions of the US "gubmint". I still say there's more gravy to be had from running a DFS site legitimately than from trying to scam with it. Speaking of Stars, I just got an email from them today. They're entering the DFS fray and will be accepting American accounts.]

 

 

[brotherbock 349]

 

 

First of all, the OP’s own experience with FanDuel is a much stronger form of evidence than the alarm that’s arisen because a new contestant scored a big prize with 3 entries concentrated all right at the top. The latter is not even evidence of wrongdoing at all…it’s merely a coincidence that’s aroused suspicion.

 

You’ve got your Oprah-Obama analogy turned inside out. No one would argue that the most accurate picture of the prospects of African Americans in our society would best be gleaned by a focus amongst the rank and file rather than the Oprahs and Obamas. I’m not holding Filthy, myself, nzoner, or any of the other DFS players who have contributed to this thread up to be Obamas or Oprahs. None of us have scooped the top jackpots or been featured on a TV commercial. Rather, I see us as the rank and file – we post here, for pete’s sake.

 

Forget the fact that some of us have experienced surpsingly good success from a rate-of-return standpoint. Just the fact that we can see that our tabulated scores change in accordance with the action we see on the TV and in the box scores, that our account balances are updated accurately after the end of a week’s contests, that our withdrawal requests are handled accurately and promptly – all that stuff is evidence from the rank and file that everything is indeed “right and proper” in DFS land. So much so, that I’m not swayed when there are cries that a contestant who got to be “Obama” for a week could have only done so in an underhanded manner.

 

Sure, hypothetically, people winning lots of money and having all their affairs handled properly could still be compatible with a scam. But the reality is that it’s more likely the sign of a legitimately run operation. I trust my DFS site like I trust my grocer. It’s gonna take court convictions, not just crazy coincidences, to sway me.

 

[Edit: I was just about to post this and I gave your 3^rd paragraph a closer look and had to lol. Which would brotherbock really do if he was in charge of a DFS site here in 2015 ? 1) Try for the scam and the quick 500 million and risk jail time or 2) run his DFS site legitimately for the long term, retire in 30 years as a multi-billionaire, and have his grandkids be proud of him. Obviously, the answer is 2. ]

 

 

 

 

I'd like to think you're right on the last part. I was talking hypothetical disreputable brotherbock. And, tbh, a lot of people in this world who think they're someone who wouldn't scam anyone turn into people who do scam people when the opportunity presents itself. So even if they start a business with good intentions...they can end up like VW, right?

 

Anyway, I suspect that maybe you guys who are playing DFS and also posting here are not, in fact, representative of the majority of DFS players. I think people who pay enough attention to FF to post on a forum like this are in the minority, by a long shot. Not necessarily in terms of winning, but in terms of paying attention.

 

Think about it--how many people post on these forums in any way approaching 'regularly'? Compare that to all the people playing FF. Terribly small number. Similarly, the majority of DFS players will be...mediocre. They won't put a lot of attention into it, and that will lead them to being more able to be taken advantage of.

 

I think you, while not a huge money maker, would not be the target mark of the scammer. Bad Brotherbock with his scam DFS site wants people who will sign up, play a few times, lose money, but not enough to make them angry, and then ideally keep playing but I know they're going to quit, and then, importantly, they'll never think about it again. That's fine, next in line.

 

Again, readily saying that I'm an outsider, I don't play DFS. But some, not all, of the evidence for them being trustworthy operators isn't good evidence. That some people haven't been scammed, for example.

 

TBH, I'm like you seem to be. I generally will trust people who run these sites to be honest people. And, if I had money and wasn't in one of the 'banned states', I'd probably give it a try. But I'll look hard at fishy things, too. And just because something isn't 'damning evidence' doesn't mean it's not 'some' evidence

 

Anyway, I got no dog in this hunt. I hope it's not a scam, and good luck if you're playing

[SpenceToons 70]

 

 

Anyway, I suspect that maybe you guys who are playing DFS and also posting here are not, in fact, representative of the majority of DFS players. I think people who pay enough attention to FF to post on a forum like this are in the minority, by a long shot. Not necessarily in terms of winning, but in terms of paying attention.

 

Think about it--how many people post on these forums in any way approaching 'regularly'? Compare that to all the people playing FF. Terribly small number. Similarly, the majority of DFS players will be...mediocre.

 

I made the argument in another thread on this topic that the true number of contestants who will be winning players at DFS will come in at somewhere between 20-30% of all those who give it a whirl. That's in line with the statistics we were seeing in regards to online poker.

 

Even with that generous assessment though, it still means that there are at 70% who will lose money and that I have a hand in doing some of that taking. I guess i make the assumption that since all I threw in was shoebox money to start with, that I'm competing with guys who have only thrown in shoebox money as well. Hopefully, I'm never against someone who's in there with me with money that he needs to pay for daughter's shoes. At the stakes i play at, it's unlikely thankfully.

 

But we don't sweat the money that's at stake from our league buddies so that's ultimately how i see it. And to me DFS is just an extension of league play. With the kicker that I have the freedom to start Antonio Brown, Andrew Luck, Rob Gronkowski or anybody and am not just limited to the scrubs I have on my league roster.

 

Feel free to give it a whirl some time.

[Swampdonkey 5]

I agree with the post above haha why would the Sharks waste time with 5 dollar buy ins that can bring thousands lmao and If you feel so strongly against the million dollar prizes like I do... Play in the entries that are only 100 people or 50 people and it pays bigger for the top 25%.... I mean that's what I do.... And I play in a few 25k payouts with 6,000 people. That sounds better to me than 1 million...

 

With that said, if I was a computer hacker, I'd win me a mil

[brotherbock 349]

 

I made the argument in another thread on this topic that the true number of contestants who will be winning players at DFS will come in at somewhere between 20-30% of all those who give it a whirl. That's in line with the statistics we were seeing in regards to online poker.

 

Even with that generous assessment though, it still means that there are at 70% who will lose money and that I have a hand in doing some of that taking. I guess i make the assumption that since all I threw in was shoebox money to start with, that I'm competing with guys who have only thrown in shoebox money as well. Hopefully, I'm never against someone who's in there with me with money that he needs to pay for daughter's shoes. At the stakes i play at, it's unlikely thankfully.

 

But we don't sweat the money that's at stake from our league buddies so that's ultimately how i see it. And to me DFS is just an extension of league play. With the kicker that I have the freedom to start Antonio Brown, Andrew Luck, Rob Gronkowski or anybody and am not just limited to the scrubs I have on my league roster.

 

Feel free to give it a whirl some time.

 

That all makes sense. I'm taking the stance I often like to take, which is assume legitimacy but pay very close attention to any evidence to the opposite. Vigilant Optimism.

 

But yeah, won't be playing anytime soon. I don't buy lottery tickets because I believe they are a special tax on people who are bad at math. And I only go to casinos for the cheap buffets. Plus, my budget isn't my own--explaining to my wife that I have to put groceries on the credit card again because a guy named Fleener can't catch a football isn't my idea of fun. To each their own on this one, that's just my low tolerance for risk with money talking.

[murf74 461]

How many times does the powerball winner go to the guy who bought 1 ticket? Probably never. If the guy had 10 entries, and only the 3 won, then that makes sense. Only submitted 3 and won, come on. That's got red flags all over it. How many guys submit 10, 20 and 50 lineups, but this guy submitted 3 and won?

Actually if he submitted the same lineup one time and was the best out of tens of thousands, the odds are extremely high that lineup could sweep most tournaments.

 

If you really think about it

 

If I feel great about a lineup I enter it several places like this week

[brotherbock 349]

Actually if he submitted the same lineup one time and was the best out of tens of thousands, the odds are extremely high that lineup could sweep most tournaments.

 

If you really think about it

 

If I feel great about a lineup I enter it several places like this week

 

The important distinction to be made, and this isn't weighing in on either side, is this:

 

The odds of a lineup winning multiple times if it wins once are high. But those are different odds than the lineup winning in the first place.

 

To make a really simple example, if I enter five pick-em contests for which TE will score the most points this week, I pick the same guy for all five contests, and I do in fact pick the highest scoring TE in the league that week, then it should of course be no surprise that I win all five contests. I don't think anyone is debating that (or at least they shouldn't be). And I'd win all five, despite other people entering ten entries in each contest and all picking the wrong guys.

 

But if my entry for all five contests was, for example, Tim Wright...the question now is whether my curious pick that I felt strongly enough about to enter in five contests is fishy. Really, you ask me...you looked at all the TEs in the league, and you decided not only that Tim Wright was going to outscore everyone else this week...but you also felt so strongly about it that you made the same pick every time you picked?

 

Anyway, I'm not on a side here, but that's the distinction being made that maybe wasn't clear yet.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

It will be interesting to see how many times this (single entry win) occurs through the 17 week season, hopefully Filthy will keep us posted.

 

On another note, I saw that Pokerstars has started their own DFS which is "legal" to U.S. players. More competition between sites will increase the risk of being dishonest forcing them to ensure that their tournaments are honest.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

all you gotta do is check who wins those big money tourneys every week. It's ALWAYS a relatively new guy with a retarded lineup that everyone here would give a to if they saw it before the games started.

[giraldi02 470]

Check out this tweet and the picture associated with it and tell me that something isn't rotten in the state of Denmark...err...Fanduel

 

https://twitter.com/TheEndIsNir/status/649958796651970560

[m82492 2]

The average player at Fanduel needs to simply understand that there are sharks out there that bet hundreds of thousands of dollars each week to get that simple 8% return. If you are an average Joe you are simply looking to have some fun and make a few bucks. To me the tournaments are nothing but a lottery ticket purchase with much better odds that an actuall lottery. I've won $50 on a $5 bet in a tournament and was happy with it. I've won a free $25 entry into this weekends million dollar tourny with only a $2 bet. I guess I set my expectations low because I'm not betting $150K each weekend.

 

All that being said the best way I have found to deal with these sharks it to identify them and avoid them. 90% of my bets are Head to Head matchups against people of my own experience level based on their number of wins. What does piss me off is that Fanduel has made it much harder to identify a person's win record. Last year you could simply click on their screen name and the total came up. Now you have to click 3-4 different times and by the time you see they are in your league the matchup is usually gone. I would also like to see Fanduel announce a better way to eliminate people from having multiple accounts so the sharks can't simply set up a new account with a 0 win total to sucker people into going against them.

 

I started with a $200 deposit and have grown it to $400 over the course of a year of football. Like I said....I do it for fun not to make a living. I only bet the house money each week. I bet $1-$5 head to heads with 10% going to tournaments with 5 different lineups that I hand pick based on projections from sites I have used for regular fantasy over the years. The key this year has been identifying the sharks which was made much more difficult by Fanduel. So I simply developed a piece of software that lists out all the current matchups, the players and their win records which is sortable high to low or low to high. It has an Enter button which takes me right to the matchup to submit my lineup. I'm sure Fanduel doesn't like their site being scraped for the data but I don't see any other alternative. Seems like a sharklike thing to do but I got real tired of accidentally going up against people with 200K wins. I guess I thought like a shark to beat the sharks.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Check out this tweet and the picture associated with it and tell me that something isn't rotten in the state of Denmark...err...Fanduel

 

https://twitter.com/TheEndIsNir/status/649958796651970560

 

So in that twitter thread there were two seperate "Single Entry" contests that had multiple entries of the same ident. They tried to say the contest was mislabeled but someone else posted another with another example of multiple entries in a single entry contest.

 

Definitely not kosher.

 

Thanks for posting that!

[Beyond Chaos 75]

Check out this tweet and the picture associated with it and tell me that something isn't rotten in the state of Denmark...err...Fanduel

 

https://twitter.com/TheEndIsNir/status/649958796651970560

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

[Newkid 1]

 

The important distinction to be made, and this isn't weighing in on either side, is this:

 

The odds of a lineup winning multiple times if it wins once are high. But those are different odds than the lineup winning in the first place.

 

To make a really simple example, if I enter five pick-em contests for which TE will score the most points this week, I pick the same guy for all five contests, and I do in fact pick the highest scoring TE in the league that week, then it should of course be no surprise that I win all five contests. I don't think anyone is debating that (or at least they shouldn't be). And I'd win all five, despite other people entering ten entries in each contest and all picking the wrong guys.

 

But if my entry for all five contests was, for example, Tim Wright...the question now is whether my curious pick that I felt strongly enough about to enter in five contests is fishy. Really, you ask me...you looked at all the TEs in the league, and you decided not only that Tim Wright was going to outscore everyone else this week...but you also felt so strongly about it that you made the same pick every time you picked?

 

Anyway, I'm not on a side here, but that's the distinction being made that maybe wasn't clear yet.

There were people specific all arguing what you have correctly identified that they shouldn't be.

 

The Tim Wright example you gave for what might be "fishy" is incomplete. It's not whether someone believes this TE will out score all other TEs it's how they will score relative to their price plus which other position can improve with the price difference between Tim Wright and a stud TE (ex. Gronk).

 

There no way for someone to look at a lineup and determine that it's "fishy". It's presumptuous to even consider that it's possible.

[Maulers1973 117]

There were people specific all arguing what you have correctly identified that they shouldn't be.

 

The Tim Wright example you gave for what might be "fishy" is incomplete. It's not whether someone believes this TE will out score all other TEs it's how they will score relative to their price plus which other position can improve with the price difference between Tim Wright and a stud TE (ex. Gronk).

 

There no way for someone to look at a lineup and determine that it's "fishy". It's presumptuous to even consider that it's possible.

 

You're missing the point. The point is not the lineup. We all get it. It takes a unique lineup to win. The "fishy" is that there are articles, blogs and a mass of volume talking about sharks that use computers and software that works out the math and helps them submit thousands of rosters. Yet, some random dude nobody ever heard of submitted 1 lineup and no others. It just so happened to be the winning lineup.

 

The skeptic in me says that's not right. The winner should have been one of these hacks with software and a massive bankroll. The odds are far greater that one of them would win it rather than some random bloke who has never played. At the very least, it's a MASSIVE red flag.

[t-birdie 8]

 

So in that twitter thread there were two seperate "Single Entry" contests that had multiple entries of the same ident. They tried to say the contest was mislabeled but someone else posted another with another example of multiple entries in a single entry contest.

 

Definitely not kosher.

 

Thanks for posting that!

 

Don't play, maybe? Or do you really need to gamble that badly?

[giraldi02 470]

 

Don't play, maybe? Or do you really need to gamble that badly?

 

You're stating this on a fantasy football message board. You know, where people play fantasy football...for money. I'm guessing buying a house or putting your money into a 401k shouldn't be done either? Let's just avoid anything and everything that is an inherent risk in life.

 

For the record, here's the link to the actual game itself. It was $100 buy-in and there seems to be quite a few multiple entries : https://www.fanduel.com/games/13125/contests/13125-15617751/entries/230965768/scoring

 

 

When a business comes out and states the rules to a "game of skill" and then blatantly allows something like this, it goes beyond just daily fantasy sports. This is a legitimate concern of wrongdoing by a business.

 

People join single entry tournaments in order to avoid the scripts that the sharks use. In doing so, you believe that you're spending your money with a legitimate business. And if I were in this tournament, I'd demand my entry fee back from the site or they'd face legal action. This is a clear breach of protocol.

 

Plain and simple, incidents like this will be the straw to break the camel's back. It would take a web developer five seconds to go in and correct the single entry "mistake". The lack of oversight is already troubling...

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

There no way for someone to look at a lineup and determine that it's "fishy". It's presumptuous to even consider that it's possible.

 

You being deliberately stubborn or what? It's not the lineup FFS. It's the single entry by a supposedly new guy or an experienced one that hit a perfect lineup. It happens often enough for multiple people to notice it.

 

Don't play, maybe? Or do you really need to gamble that badly?

I feel compelled to "gamble" as much as you feel compelled to post something that adds nothing to the topic. Don't post maybe?

[Newkid 1]

 

You're missing the point. The point is not the lineup. We all get it. It takes a unique lineup to win. The "fishy" is that there are articles, blogs and a mass of volume talking about sharks that use computers and software that works out the math and helps them submit thousands of rosters. Yet, some random dude nobody ever heard of submitted 1 lineup and no others. It just so happened to be the winning lineup.

 

The skeptic in me says that's not right. The winner should have been one of these hacks with software and a massive bankroll. The odds are far greater that one of them would win it rather than some random bloke who has never played. At the very least, it's a MASSIVE red flag.

See there is a very important fact you are either overlooking or aren't aware of:

 

The Volume players and this Lucky guy aren't playing the same game.

 

The math and software people who are playing super high volume aren't wasting their time and investing heavily in major prize pool tournaments because they understand it's a lottery. They are trying to beat the rake and get a certain level of return not hit a jackpot by chance. In general, more people = more luck and less impact skill will have. Most of their money will be in H2H and other contest with under 8-10 people. They believe they can outskill their opponents by value picking better.

 

High volume is 5-6 digits in place at once. No intelligent person will be laying down that kind of money in crapshoots.

[Newkid 1]

 

 

You being deliberately stubborn or what? It's not the lineup FFS. It's the single entry by a supposedly new guy or an experienced one that hit a perfect lineup. It happens often enough for multiple people to notice it.

 

 

I feel compelled to "gamble" as much as you feel compelled to post something that adds nothing to the topic. Don't post maybe?

1) I wasn't responding to anything you said.

2) You have a made up rule that having only one lineup means that line up can't be the perfect one.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

 

Don't play, maybe? Or do you really need to gamble that badly?

GFYS maybe? And yup

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://rotogrinders.com/threads/draftkings-ownership-leak-850584

 

VERY interesting reading there. It appears a Draftkings employee had access to player usage data and accidentally leaked some of it early. Even more interesting is that this same guy (Ethan) hit 2nd place in a Fanduel tourney using a very similar lineup. He got 2nd out of 230,000 in last week’s tournament and banked $350,000.

 

Draftkings is investigating supposedly. But for those wondering why Fanduel or Draftkings would cheat when they're making so much already, it doesn't have to be someone at the very top. An employee would just have to have access to the best DFS players' data to create their own lineups at another companies sites to really cleanup.

 

Caveat Emptor..............

[Maulers1973 117]

I tried it. I'm done with it. If I ever revisit DFS again, it will NOT be DK or Fanduel. I have a friend that plays on Yahoo DFS and he really likes it and feels it is on the up and up.

 

I'm not saying that Yahoo isn't shady or couldn't have cheats. Though, it looks much less obvious since they aren't spending a billion dollars on advertising.

[giraldi02 470]

Fanduel once again had many multiple entries into "single entry" tournaments this weekend.

 

The gig is just about up for these sites...

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://fanduel.com/games/13067/contests/13067-15194936/entries/227527336/scoring?entry=227527336

 

Supposedly that's the lineup the Draftkings' guy used to hit $350k in Fan Duel Week 3. Leaves me wondering just how outmatched we "Joe Blows" are against the pros much less if anything nefarious is going on.

 

Also, in reference to the new players winning jackpots; some people are speculating they're from the Mass. area. How they would know that or why it's important is beyond me unless that's where Fan Duel/Draftkings HQ is at.

[t-birdie 8]

OMG, gambling sites on the interwebs could possibly be fraudulent to some degree? Al Gore is crying a single tear.

 

We should sticky this thread for the 95 year old women who are still sending money to Nigerian princes.

[brotherbock 349]

OMG, gambling sites on the interwebs could possibly be fraudulent to some degree? Al Gore is crying a single tear.

 

We should sticky this thread for the 95 year old women who are still sending money to Nigerian princes.

The President of the National Bank of Benin told me to send him $351 and he'd make guaranteed DFS picks for me.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4548/draftkings-data-leak-faq/

 

 

More good reading and outlines just how valuable this information is.

[t-birdie 8]

So are you going to touch the hot stove again next Sunday? Let us know how it turns out.