What's your top 10 RB draft list look like for 2016 if you picked today?

[weepaws 3,350]

I don't see any way Stewart is a top ten rb .

 

In standard scoring systems he ranked 16 th in total points and 16 per game avg .

 

In ppr scoring systems he ranked 23rd in total points and 20 in per game avg .

 

And he as played in 41 games in the past 4 seasons .

 

Sorry but I don't see a top ten rb when it comes to Stewart .

[Too Loud 5]

Not to call you stupid, but If DMC was ranked ahead of him I wouldnt have moved Miller up to #10 when I re ranked my guys when CJ2K was resigned in AZ.

 

If you're gonna troll me, at least do a decent job.

 

I've explained my position on all my guys and you and your buddy (who are probably the same person) have done nothing but criticize me for it.

 

Stewart put up some really good numbers on a first place Carolina Team. Definitely RB1 numbers. and because that team will be playing with the lead most of the time, he's gonna get all the carries he can handle and lots of TD opportunities. A far less risky play than Miller. That's why hes ahead of him on my list.

 

I've explained my top 10 and listed my rationale. why dont you do the same so I can pick apart your faulty logic?

 

I'm not gonna rank Miller in my top 5 at this point in the year no matter how much you troll me, so why dont you find someone else to harass?

 

I may adjust based on who looks good and who looks bad in exhibition or based on player moves, but my bottom line is that Miller is in a whole new offense with a whole new backfield and a QB who may or may not be the real deal. If it turns out hes not that good, Miller will be running against a stacked box every game and his numbers wont be great.

 

that alone is enough to not rank this guy in the top 5. Other than you and your buddy, nobody else seems to have a problem with this.

 

If you like him that much, go and draft him early in the first round of your draft. I'm kinda hoping someone does that in my draft. It wont be me. I can assure you of that.

sorry you felt you had to get defensive. if you have some hatred for miller that if people discuss him you get upset thats not my fault. if you do not like your opinion or list discussed or analyzed, why share it? it seems you like to share your thoughts but dont want anyone to share theirs.

 

i do not agree with your reasons for a lot on your list not just miller and to be honest they are not reasons they are just being negative based off assumptions of the worse kind.

[Ray_T 786]

sorry you felt you had to get defensive. if you have some hatred for miller that if people discuss him you get upset thats not my fault. if you do not like your opinion or list discussed or analyzed, why share it? it seems you like to share your thoughts but dont want anyone to share theirs.

 

i do not agree with your reasons for a lot on your list not just miller and to be honest they are not reasons they are just being negative based off assumptions of the worse kind.

I dont have a problem with people disagreeing with me or sharing their thoughts as long as they are respectful about it.

 

someone on the other thread said they felt Miller was top 5. I said there is no way he is top 5 and provided my reasons why I felt this was the case. I'm not saying hes a crappy back. I just dont feel there is enough evidence to rank him this high.

 

I explained why I felt he wasnt top 5 and said he is a high end RB2 or low end RB1. (which really isnt that far off, but it is the difference between drafting someone in round 1 and in round 2)

 

clearly I attach a larger risk factor to his situation in Houston than you do (or you dont consider it to be a risk at all)

 

but it is a fully new backfield like what they had in Philly this year. The Philly offense wasnt all that terrible in the second half of the year, but they sure werent that good in the first few games of the season. I believe a large part of this is because the team needed time to learn to play together. I believe Houston is at risk of having the same problem early in the season and I've adjusted my expectations because of this.

 

if you dont consider this to be a risk factor, you can probably rank him a couple of spots higher.

 

If you dont agree, thats fine. but be respectful of my opinion and feel free to provide your own rationale for why you rank him higher. I dont promise to agree, and in fact we may agree to disagree.

 

bottom line in fantasy football is this:

 

There are times in every fantasy football season that you have to assume that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe this is one of those times.

[ralphster 274]

The difference in our valuation of players is a large part of what makes this so damn fun.

[Super Cubs 155]

The difference in our valuation of players is a large part of what makes this so damn fun.

 

This has to be one of the best comments I've read on this board in a long time.

[Too Loud 5]

I dont have a problem with people disagreeing with me or sharing their thoughts as long as they are respectful about it.

 

someone on the other thread said they felt Miller was top 5. I said there is no way he is top 5 and provided my reasons why I felt this was the case. I'm not saying hes a crappy back. I just dont feel there is enough evidence to rank him this high.

 

I explained why I felt he wasnt top 5 and said he is a high end RB2 or low end RB1. (which really isnt that far off, but it is the difference between drafting someone in round 1 and in round 2)

 

clearly I attach a larger risk factor to his situation in Houston than you do (or you dont consider it to be a risk at all)

 

but it is a fully new backfield like what they had in Philly this year. The Philly offense wasnt all that terrible in the second half of the year, but they sure werent that good in the first few games of the season. I believe a large part of this is because the team needed time to learn to play together. I believe Houston is at risk of having the same problem early in the season and I've adjusted my expectations because of this.

 

if you dont consider this to be a risk factor, you can probably rank him a couple of spots higher.

 

If you dont agree, thats fine. but be respectful of my opinion and feel free to provide your own rationale for why you rank him higher. I dont promise to agree, and in fact we may agree to disagree.

 

bottom line in fantasy football is this:

 

 

there are times in every fantasy football season that you have to assume that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe this is one of those times.

respect? my dad had a funny saying about that. you want respect you must give it. i think it says a lot about a person who thinks the deserve respect just because. you are getting really upset because people disagree with you, maybe you should step away for some time. have you thought people disagree because your reasons are not reasons just you in a panic of pessimism? you have called me names and even say i am a troll just because we disagree if this is how you act, until you change your attitude respect may pass you by. Take your own advice on the last line.

 

the bottom line is this, show me where i was disrespectful, and i'll show you where you called me troll and your posts are nothing but disrespect condescending and insulting. i did post my top 10 in a post that was deleted, im guessing because of an argument you were having with another person i chimed in on. many posts were deleted in that thread, i have to say you arguing seems to be a trend for you, but is that worthy of respect?

[ralphster 274]

Taking offense on the Internet is an unwise path. It's a lesson I'm still learning.

[rholio 339]

Taking offense on the Internet is an unwise path. It's a lesson I'm still learning.

What the $%&% do you mean by THAT, $^&%$&!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Too Loud 5]

Taking offense on the Internet is an unwise path. It's a lesson I'm still learning.

me too but i think we all are still learning. i prefer to not take football talk personal some do and thats where things can get sloppy.

[Too Loud 5]

Back to the thread and maybe this list will not disappear.

 

1. Gurley - Best bet to be used more than anyone and elite talent.

 

2. Bell - Providing he is healthy we already know his worth.

 

3. Freeman - In a ppr league haw can he be any lower?

 

4. Charles - Providing he is healthy we already know his worth, a few ticks lower than Bell because of age and all that comes with it.

 

5. Johnson - Love this kid, wonder if he can go a strong 16 games like he did to end the season.

 

6. Miller - Whats not to like, he stays healthy, he will be used and he produced with much less.

 

7. Rawls - Seattle starting RB tends to have some big success of late. Good strong talent in that offense.

 

8. Lacy - Rumor has it he is losing a lot of fat already and no big play in FA says Pack are still believing in him. Starks is Starks.

 

9. Martin - If he caught more balls he would be up higher.

 

10. Peterson - A few less touches worries me but he will get some scores.

[giraldi02 476]

Rapoport just tweeted that Alfred Morris is visiting the Dallas Cowboys today.

In the event he finds himself there, he's going to get a massive bump in rankings for me. Not top 10, but he'll receive one of the biggest jumps from this offseason outside of Lamar Miller

[weepaws 3,350]

Morris would get a bigger bump than Miller , Miller I already had in my top 12 Morris isn't even ranked .

[Too Loud 5]

Morris would get a bigger bump than Miller , Miller I already had in my top 12 Morris isn't even ranked .

morris would jump from nothing to Top 25.

[weepaws 3,350]

morris would jump from nothing to Top 25.

Exactly

[gpann101 32]

Amazing how a thread gets derailed from the original topic at hand.

[Too Loud 5]

Amazing how a thread gets derailed from the original topic at hand.

i agree but it seems to be a free for all at this site, you find content where you find it. so go with the flow dont rock the boat. i have noticed reading over a few threads that this site appears to be for random football thoughts more than it is for a full discussion. so get in where you fit in and dont try to keep it in a certain direction even though that seems the way to do it.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

i agree but it seems to be a free for all at this site, you find content where you find it. so go with the flow dont rock the boat. i have noticed reading over a few threads that this site appears to be for random football thoughts more than it is for a full discussion. so get in where you fit in and dont try to keep it in a certain direction even though that seems the way to do it.

During the busy season we try to keep the heart of the OP together. I think we should try to stay more on topic where possible, but then again i am just as scatter brained as these off topic posts

[murf74 461]

Chris Johnson re-signed with the Cardinals. Sorry folks, but David Johnson isn't going to be the bell-cow everyone thought he was

Yes he will.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Yes he will.

Agree. Chris Johnson had a few big runs followed by a TON of 3 yard gains. I know Djohns struggled running in the playoffs, but to me that was more a combination of solid run defenses and poor oline play. The big thing here, Djohns is a ridiculously good receiver where Cj has had drops issues for a long time now. Djohns is just such a well rounded weapon that it doesnt make sense for him to be anywhere near a 50 50 split with cj. Plusn look at all that delicious goal line activity he had. Yes TDs are fluky, but on a very good offense there are just more opportunities for goal line carries. Cj should be there to spell Djohns

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:37 PM

I don't see any way Stewart is a top ten rb .

 

He won't be.

[petekrum 20]

Yes he will.

Easily.

[southcarolina 166]

I see most of you guys dont have CJ Anderson ranked in your top 10.... with Denver seemingly not in any hurry to resign Ronnie Hillman and the Broncs committing 18 mil to Anderson, does his meter move at all, or is he still an outside the top 10 guy for most of you?

[Too Loud 5]

I see most of you guys dont have CJ Anderson ranked in your top 10.... with Denver seemingly not in any hurry to resign Ronnie Hillman and the Broncs committing 18 mil to Anderson, does his meter move at all, or is he still an outside the top 10 guy for most of you?

I for one have him on the cusp, but his value for this year alone is no better than demarco or lesean.

[weepaws 3,350]

Not to sure that I see Anderson as a top ten rb , didn't see it from him last season and now they don't even have a Qb . At this time no .

[Ray_T 786]

I see most of you guys dont have CJ Anderson ranked in your top 10.... with Denver seemingly not in any hurry to resign Ronnie Hillman and the Broncs committing 18 mil to Anderson, does his meter move at all, or is he still an outside the top 10 guy for most of you?

CJ Anderson is a RB2 that I believe was miscast as an RB1 when Denver(with Manning putting up huge numbers through the air at the time) decided to go with a heavy ground game late the season before last. This caught some defenses offguard as they were prepared to defend the pass. As a result, he put up good numbers and people looked at the small sample size and drafted him as a RB1 the next year.

 

He is a Solid RB2. I dont see him doing much more than that.

 

and if you look at all the top 10 lists here, his name doesnt appear in very many of those lists.

 

So even if you believe he's gonna put up huge numbers(and I'm not gonna get into that debate), I'd suggest that not many others feel the same, so you would be best advised to wait until the RB2's start going before picking him anyways.

 

(ie. No point spending a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a player you could probably get in the 5th round)

[tanatastic 2,062]

I would take Matt Jones way before I took CJ Anderson.

[weepaws 3,350]

I'm not so sure I would take Matt Jones way Before I would take Anderson , but I do think it's close with Matt Jones ahead by a noise.

[giraldi02 476]

The same Matt Jones that averaged over 4 yards per carry in just three of his games?

The same Matt Jones that had zero or negative net yards on six of his 11 total carries inside the ten yard line?

 

I know Alf isn't going to be in town any more, but neither is Ronnie Hillman in Denver. There's no way I'd have Matt Jones anywhere close to CJA, and I can't really stand CJA

[weepaws 3,350]

The same Matt Jones that averaged over 4 yards per carry in just three of his games?

The same Matt Jones that had zero or negative net yards on six of his 11 total carries inside the ten yard line?

 

I know Alf isn't going to be in town any more, but neither is Ronnie Hillman in Denver. There's no way I'd have Matt Jones anywhere close to CJA, and I can't really stand CJA

Ok by me .

[Too Loud 5]

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[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

I am pretty happy that the Raiders havent signed another rb. Latavius may be a solid top 10 running back this year.

[Ray_T 786]

I am pretty happy that the Raiders havent signed another rb. Latavius may be a solid top 10 running back this year.

he got almost 1300 all purpose yards in his first year as a starter. why would they sign anyone else?

 

if they bring anyone in, it will be to back him up.

 

He may not be in a lot of peoples top 10 this year, but if he takes a step forward next season, that will change.

[Too Loud 5]

he got almost 1300 all purpose yards in his first year as a starter. why would they sign anyone else?

 

if they bring anyone in, it will be to back him up.

 

He may not be in a lot of peoples top 10 this year, but if he takes a step forward next season, that will change.

because the coach has said they want someone to take some of the carries and to lighten his load. that may be why some are having those beliefs.

[weepaws 3,350]

he got almost 1300 all purpose yards in his first year as a starter. why would they sign anyone else?

 

if they bring anyone in, it will be to back him up.

 

He may not be in a lot of peoples top 10 this year, but if he takes a step forward next season, that will change.

 

I don't see him taking any step forward , what we saw from him last season is what he is IMO .

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

I don't see him taking any step forward , what we saw from him last season is what he is IMO .

If that offensive line can get better i think we will see a much better Murray. He has blazing speed and yet didnt really break any big runs like he did the year previous. I dont see that continuing.

[Ray_T 786]

I don't see him taking any step forward , what we saw from him last season is what he is IMO .

He's still young enough(26) that there is potentially some upside.

 

Most people do better in year 2 than they did in year 1 as a starter.

 

I'm not by any means suggesting he'd be top 5, but top 10 is possible with some modest improvement in his play or in the play of the line.

[weepaws 3,350]

Based on total points last season he ranked in the top ten in standard and ppr leagues last season . He ranked 20 in points per game in standard and 19 in ppr . That's why I don't see him doing more than he did last season .

 

If you see him as a top ten rb he already made it . So I think what we saw last season is what he is .

 

But Frozen had two good points , he did not break any big runs and if the Oline does get better maybe he gets into the top 8 or so .

[Ray_T 786]

Based on total points last season he ranked in the top ten in standard and ppr leagues last season . He ranked 20 in points per game in standard and 19 in ppr . That's why I don't see him doing more than he did last season .

 

If you see him as a top ten rb he already made it . So I think what we saw last season is what he is .

 

But Frozen had two good points , he did not break any big runs and if the Oline does get better maybe he gets into the top 8 or so .

There are a couple of RB's that made the top 10. not because they were top 10 in talent, but because others ahead of them got hurt.

 

and that happens sometimes. but it doesnt mean they are top 10.

 

I consider this kid to be in the 11-15 range. he does have top 10 upside, but thats not where I'd wanna draft him.

 

and considering where others seem to value him, this seems about right.

 

In your typical redraft, I figure 6 to 8 of the top 10 RB's will go in the first round. 4-6 will probably go in the second. after that its kind of a crapshoot.

 

if you pick in the middle of the second round, you should be able to get him. but it's all a game to some degree and you really need to change your strategy on the fly depending on what others do.

 

There is a decent chance that if you pick early in the second round, there will likely be a better RB on the board than him. If you pick at the end of the second round, he may be the best guy available(or one of the 2 or 3 best available if hes still on the board)

 

what chances you take really depends on your league. If you have a few guys you know wont take RB's early, you can gamble to try to get him in the third round (if you pick early in the 3rd)

 

If you think you're gonna get him in the 4th round, you are dreaming. That aint likely to happen.

[R8RMick 242]

I see the discussion has shifted to Latavius Murray. First of all, the Raiders offensive line HAS improved. It was vastly underrated on this bored last season, and they replaced the weakest link (JaMarcus Webb) with Kelechi Osemele. And they re-signed Donald Penn, who was ranked 10th among all tackles by Pro Football Focus last season. Right tackle Austin Howard is coming back off a knee injury, but he ranked as PFF's 14th ranked tackle. Center Rodney Hudson is bordering on All-Pro, and I've been touting LG Gabe Jackson as a future pro bowler for some time now. The Raider offensive line is big, mean and nasty. What's more, left to right, each player grades out by Pro Football Focus at a 79 or better. It's the only offensive line in the NFL to do so. And that grade would actually be higher but LG Osemele played several games at LT filling in for Eugene Monroe, where he was scored lower. Don't laugh, but Oakland may have the best offensive line in football. At least for now on paper. In fact up the middle, guard to guard, there IS no line better than Oakland's. The only question mark may be depth. Tackle Menelik Watson was playing at a very high level, and probably would have taken Howard's job, but hurt his Achilles in training camp last summer. Guard Jon Feliciano is a young mauler personally drafted by Mike Tice last year in round four. And Khalif Barnes is basically just a body. But name me an NFL team which has superb depth at offensive line. Save your rebuttals, let's just re-visit mid season shall we?

 

As for Murray, no other RB in the NFL saw a higher percentage of his team's carries last year. The problem for Oakland was its defense was Godawful, and kept the offense off the field. This led to a very low number of rushing attempts for the team. It's true, JDR wants to get Murray some help. In fact, it's my contention the team is secretly not happy with Murray. But the Raiders defense will be much improved, the measure of this improvement being more ascernable after the draft. Word is the team may go defense with its first three picks. A better defense leads to closer games, more time on the field for the offense etc.

[weepaws 3,350]

Right now I have L Murray ranked 12 th , I just don't see a top 10 rb .