What if it's found that Trump did help the Russians

[SenatorRock 708]

What a week.

 

-Uranium One story goes mainstream. (involves $500k directly from Russia to Clinton, an FBI informant, Obama admin cover-ups, Mueller smack in the middle of it all)

 

-Podesta Group under investigation. (more Russia pay for play)

 

-Clinton and DNC admit to funding the British/Russian fake dossier. (cash directly from Clinton to a foreign entity in collusion with an enemy nation in an attempt to sway an election)

 

-MSM (WaPo, NBC, WSJ, etc) are finally covering the above stories.

 

 

Talk about an October surprise!!!!

 

The only questions left are who flipped, who is going to prison, and how long will CNN and the leftards live in denial?

[SenatorRock 708]

 

 

- Donald Trump's campaign manager was a Podesta client.

 

And he was working for the Russians within a Ukrainian party (called Regions Party).

 

You're told this over and over and over again.

 

Now, here it is in a Fox News report you have posted.

Donald Trump's campaign manager for how long? 1 month? 2 months?

 

How long was John Podesta Hillary's campaign manager?

 

How long have Tony Podesta and John Podesta been brothers?

 

How long has John Podesta been involved with the Podesta Group? Actively? Inactively?

 

How long was Manafort involved with Podesta Group?

 

 

Trying to pin the Podesta Group's Russian dealings on Trump via Manafort is a losing strategy.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

Donald Trump's campaign manager for how long? 1 month? 2 months?

 

...

 

How long was Manafort involved with Podesta Group?

 

 

Trying to pin the Podesta Group's Russian dealings on Trump via Manafort is a losing strategy.

 

Manafort started with the Trump campaign in early March 2016. He became campaign manager officially in early June. He left mid August.

 

Manafort was a Podesta client from 2012-14.

 

So Trump - himself a Clinton and Clinton Foundation donor - had a Podesta Group client as campaign manager, yes.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

...

 

-Clinton and DNC admit to funding the British/Russian fake dossier. (cash directly from Clinton to a foreign entity in collusion with an enemy nation in an attempt to sway an election)

 

...

 

 

 

Before that agreement, Fusion GPS’s research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

What a week.

 

-Uranium One story goes mainstream. (involves $500k directly from Russia to Clinton, an FBI informant, Obama admin cover-ups, Mueller smack in the middle of it all)

 

-Podesta Group under investigation. (more Russia pay for play)

 

-Clinton and DNC admit to funding the British/Russian fake dossier. (cash directly from Clinton to a foreign entity in collusion with an enemy nation in an attempt to sway an election)

 

-MSM (WaPo, NBC, WSJ, etc) are finally covering the above stories.

 

 

The NYT broke the Uranium One story in 2015.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

The NYT broke the Uranium One story in 2015.

 

Without the details we now know.

 

The FBI and DOJ burying the details........

The Obama Admin permitting VISA to Russians to facilitate the deal......

The Podesta group was in bed with Manafort.......

Bill Clinton sought to meet with Russians to facilitate deal then met with Putin......

 

The Obama DOJ head Holder/Lynch kept this under wraps so it's not an old story. It might be the biggest corruption story in the history of America.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

Without the details we now know.

 

The FBI and DOJ burying the details........

The Obama Admin permitting VISA to Russians to facilitate the deal......

The Podesta group was in bed with Manafort.......

Bill Clinton sought to meet with Russians to facilitate deal then met with Putin......

 

The Obama DOJ head Holder/Lynch kept this under wraps so it's not an old story. It might be the biggest corruption story in the history of America.

 

The Hill reported those.

MSM.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

The Hill reported those.

MSM.

 

The Hill is not considered MSM. I doubt the average American knows that exists.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

The Hill is not considered MSM. I doubt the average American knows that exists.

The Hill is extremely beltway and they lean liberal like most MSM.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

The Hill is extremely beltway and they lean liberal like most MSM.

 

If they're not on the T.V. they're not considered MSM.

 

Also, you'd have to acknowledge the networks such as CNN and MSNBC are doing their best to ignore these details. Pretty damning stuff for the Obama Administration and clearly criminal on Hillary's part.

[SenatorRock 708]

Saints,

 

You were one of my favorite posters on that other board despite disagreeing with you on certain occasions. You made the effort to back up your points with links, even if your sources were sometimes biased or questionable (which is true for most online content, regardless of political persuasion). You also always responded in a respectful manner and to my knowledge never called for those who disagreed with you to be banned. It is unfortunate that mob mentality, mod cliques, and immaturity ruined that place for a lot of people. The mods and posters here seem to be a little thicker skinned and don't treat politics as the be all end all of life.

 

 

With all that being said, you are batshit crazy when it comes to Trump/Russia.

 

 

 

Still good to see you posting here, someone has to carry the torch while Sho is gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SenatorRock 708]

Daily reminder that CNN is nothing but a bunch of potato heads spewing fake news.

 

Story from last Thursday: Donald Trump just suggested the FBI, Democrats and Russia might all be co-conspirators

 

 

But even by Trump standards, this morning's tweet is somewhat remarkable. He is suggesting that a dossier prepared by a former member of British intelligence has not only been totally discredited (it hasn't -- more on that in a minute) but that it might have been funded by some combination of Russia, the Democratic Party and, wait for it, the FBI!

 

Story from last March: FBI reimbursed some expenses of dossier author

 

 

The FBI reimbursed some expenses of the former British intelligence operative who produced a dossier containing allegations of President Donald Trump's ties to Russia, people familiar with the matter said.

In the case of the Trump-Russia dossier, Steele initially had been hired by a Washington research firm working on behalf of Trump's political opponents -- initially in the Republican primary and then later Democrats.

 

The look of defeat

[drobeski 3,061]

Trump right again

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

Saints,

 

You were one of my favorite posters on that other board despite disagreeing with you on certain occasions. You made the effort to back up your points with links, even if your sources were sometimes biased or questionable (which is true for most online content, regardless of political persuasion). You also always responded in a respectful manner and to my knowledge never called for those who disagreed with you to be banned. It is unfortunate that mob mentality, mod cliques, and immaturity ruined that place for a lot of people. The mods and posters here seem to be a little thicker skinned and don't treat politics as the be all end all of life.

 

 

With all that being said, you are batshit crazy when it comes to Trump/Russia.

 

 

 

Still good to see you posting here, someone has to carry the torch while Sho is gone.

 

 

Ha, thanks, and with all that being said, I come to FFT for the football, maybe I should stick to that. I'll get to Friday eventually. Have a good one.

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

What a great day for America it would be if Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were both thrown in prison on the same day.

[IMMensaMind 460]

Hillary for selling out America's uranium to Russia, and Trump...because Newbie doesn't like him.

 

[lickin_starfish 1,500]

There isn't a peep about this on MSN.com, just the usual anti-Trump stuff.

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

There isn't a peep about this on MSN.com, just the usual anti-Trump stuff.

CNN is covering it quite extensively. MSNbc is like Fox News. Dont bother

[lickin_starfish 1,500]

MSN finally put up an article about this, but somehow still slanted it against Trump.

[drobeski 3,061]

I almost feel bad for the morons who had some much invested in this wild conspiracy theory.

Boomerang!

[Mr. Hand 482]

I almost feel bad for the morons who had some much invested in this wild conspiracy theory.

Boomerang!

Exactly and they continue to tell us the MSM isn't biased. LMAO

[IGotWorms 3,382]

Well that dossier certainly loses some credibility being linked to a political campaign. Course I certainly doubt Muellers investigation hinges on it. Will be interesting to see what the results are but itd be nice to see this thing wrapped up one way or another soon.

[Baker Boy 1,499]

The bombshell revelation that Hillary Clintons campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund the controversial anti-Trump dossier last year has lawmakers and the media asking tough questions about how the dubious document was used by the highest levels of U.S. law enforcement and why Democrats lied about its origins.

 

In the midst of a court case that threatened to reveal the dossiers funding, it emerged overnight that political consulting firm Fusion GPS was retained last year by Marc E. Elias, an attorney representing the DNC and the Clinton campaign. The firm then hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to write the now-infamous dossier.

 

The Washington Post first reported on the connections, which were confirmed by Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/fusion-gps-fallout-dnc-clinton-fbi-take-heat-after-bombshell-that-dems-funded-trump-dossier.html

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

...

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see

 

 

 

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

IMO the unknown Republican was George w. Bush to assist Jeb.

[joneo 532]

[drobeski 3,061]

 

keep up the good fight kid

 

It's been a rough couple of weeks for you guys.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

keep up the good fight kid

 

It's been a rough couple of weeks for you guys.

 

Hey that's cool, it's Friday, finally. Just interested in the take on that point.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

IMO the unknown Republican was George w. Bush to assist Jeb.

 

Why not Jeb's campaign itself?

 

There were also 15 other candidates involved. Rubio and Graham could also have done it.

 

But the point is if information was being manufactured about Trump, why not point the finger at one of those guys as well? They started the project, Hillary just picked it up.

[Baker Boy 1,499]

Why not Jeb's campaign itself?

 

There were also 15 other candidates involved. Rubio and Graham could also have done it.

 

But the point is if information was being manufactured about Trump, why not point the finger at one of those guys as well? They started the project, Hillary just picked it up.

Because Hillary used the report and denied any involvement in its manufacture even though she funded it. HTH

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Why not Jeb's campaign itself?

 

There were also 15 other candidates involved. Rubio and Graham could also have done it.

 

But the point is if information was being manufactured about Trump, why not point the finger at one of those guys as well? They started the project, Hillary just picked it up.

While true a Repub started the anti-Trump research with Fusion GPS, keep in mind they only hired Christopher Steele AFTER Hillary/DNC picked up the tab.

 

Steele is the one who began to compile the Dossier made up from anon Russian sources. That is fact and shows a Repub wasn't in on the Dossier.

[Strike 4,049]

Well that dossier certainly loses some credibility being linked to a political campaign. Course I certainly doubt Muellers investigation hinges on it. Will be interesting to see what the results are but itd be nice to see this thing wrapped up one way or another soon.

 

ROFLMAO. A few months ago when people in this thread were commenting on how no charges had been filed, you lefties said "investigations take time.". Now you want it done? Couldn't be cause Hitlery is looking bad suddenly, could it?

[IMMensaMind 460]

Why not Jeb's campaign itself?

 

There were also 15 other candidates involved. Rubio and Graham could also have done it.

 

But the point is if information was being manufactured about Trump, why not point the finger at one of those guys as well? They started the project, Hillary just picked it up.

There's a difference between funding oppo research, and the FBI funding Steele even after the initial oppo research - and then choosing to end the relationship only after the dossier and Steele are exposed.

 

There's a difference between FusionGPS being paid for digging dirt, and such a report being absolutely invented, and then used by the DNC as a means to weaponize the FBI and co-opt it for political purposes, which appears to have been done here.

 

Big difference.

 

Beyond that, though, I don't see this as a DNC/GOP thing. I see this as an Establishment/Deep State thing, in which bad actors have infiltrated both parties to continue the charade of representative gubmint. It could have as easily been a GOP bad actor (GOPe) behind weaponizing the FBI as anyone on the left. They're in cahoots; it was certain GOPe leaders who greased these skids as well, and it is they who are the same ones obstructing Trump now at every turn.

 

These are the truly bad guys.

[Strike 4,049]

 

Why not Jeb's campaign itself?

 

There were also 15 other candidates involved. Rubio and Graham could also have done it.

 

But the point is if information was being manufactured about Trump, why not point the finger at one of those guys as well? They started the project, Hillary just picked it up.

 

Simple. No one is blaming a candidate for trying to dig up dirt on their opponent. But apparently the GOP person quit after Trump won the nomination. That makes sense. But then Hitlery and the Dems continued funding the research. So be it. Same argument. Can't complain about that. But then they had this report made and it somehow ended up being used by the government to help justify their investigation of Trump. The Dems and Hitlery touted it as being some smoking gun WITHOUT revealing that they had financed it. That's where the problem lies. Don't you think the Dems and Hitlery were obligated to acknowledge their role in the creation of the report? Now Hitlery even says she didn't know she helped finance it. Do you actually believe that?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Wait til Fusion GPS' bank records come out. They're only implicating DNC/Hillary as sacrificial lambs. Sure, they were in on it but what if FBI paid Fusion GPS as well. What if Russians paid into that pot?

 

That the FBI may have used the Dossier for FISA warrants and Obama admin to unmask Trump campaign but if they paid Fusion GPS, that's a huge crime.

 

Again, Watergate hasn't got sh!t on this.

[Baker Boy 1,499]

'We didn't ask questions': Fusion GPS link to Dems murky by design

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/27/didnt-ask-questions-fusion-gps-link-to-dems-murky-by-design.html

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

Simple. No one is blaming a candidate for trying to dig up dirt on their opponent. But apparently the GOP person quit after Trump won the nomination. That makes sense. But then Hitlery and the Dems continued funding the research. So be it. Same argument. Can't complain about that. But then they had this report made and it somehow ended up being used by the government to help justify their investigation of Trump. The Dems and Hitlery touted it as being some smoking gun WITHOUT revealing that they had financed it. That's where the problem lies. Don't you think the Dems and Hitlery were obligated to acknowledge their role in the creation of the report? Now Hitlery even says she didn't know she helped finance it. Do you actually believe that?

 

It's possible Hillary or her campaign are dissembling. They probably are using the legalism that Elias isn't technically part of their campaign.

 

However this gets to the idea that the Dems concocted the dossier to plant incriminating fake evidence on Trump. Is the Republican part of that, or no?

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

There's a difference between funding oppo research, and the FBI funding Steele even after the initial oppo research - and then choosing to end the relationship only after the dossier and Steele are exposed.

 

There's a difference between FusionGPS being paid for digging dirt, and such a report being absolutely invented, and then used by the DNC as a means to weaponize the FBI and co-opt it for political purposes, which appears to have been done here.

 

Big difference.

 

Beyond that, though, I don't see this as a DNC/GOP thing. I see this as an Establishment/Deep State thing, in which bad actors have infiltrated both parties to continue the charade of representative gubmint. It could have as easily been a GOP bad actor (GOPe) behind weaponizing the FBI as anyone on the left. They're in cahoots; it was certain GOPe leaders who greased these skids as well, and it is they who are the same ones obstructing Trump now at every turn.

 

These are the truly bad guys.

 

Ok aside from various details there.... you're saying the GOP and the DNC are in this together then?

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

While true a Repub started the anti-Trump research with Fusion GPS, keep in mind they only hired Christopher Steele AFTER Hillary/DNC picked up the tab.

 

Steele is the one who began to compile the Dossier made up from anon Russian sources. That is fact and shows a Repub wasn't in on the Dossier.

 

What was the Republican doing?

[Strike 4,049]

 

It's possible Hillary or her campaign are dissembling. They probably are using the legalism that Elias isn't technically part of their campaign.

 

However this gets to the idea that the Dems concocted the dossier to plant incriminating fake evidence on Trump. Is the Republican part of that, or no?

 

Wow, way to ignore my questions. I mean, you didn't even address my question about the Democrats, and only tangentially answered my questions about Hitlery. As far as the Republican goes, AFAIK he only had them doing research. I haven't heard that he is connected to the Dossier. Link?