Hunt's current trade vaule in ppr

[himmystyles 30]

In all likelihood will not be dealing him until I see him Perform, but I'm loaded at rb and can afford to deal. For those of you in a similar boat, which WRs would you consider of fair value for him in a straight up trade before the season?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It's high.

 

Definitely demaryius Thomas.

 

Maybe even Hilton/Cooper area

[Oriole8159 86]

he just went mid 3rd rd in our draft tonight, so a comparable mid 3rd rd WR

 

I'd personally target Cooks

[tanatastic 2,062]

He is only worth what someone will give. Naming specific names is pointless, that owner may not be interested. Ask the league who wants to trade a WR for Hunt and you will get bombarded with everyone's wr4-5. Everyone wants something for nothing. They want to trade bench depth for starters. Be clear and tell people to look at the draft and offer a 2nd or 3rd round wr. Most likely you get no bites til the season starts.

 

You would have better luck with something like a Fitzgerald level wr plus an rb3 you like. Target a guy with subpar starters but lots of depth at RB.

[himmystyles 30]

He is only worth what someone will give. Naming specific names is pointless, that owner may not be interested. Ask the league who wants to trade a WR for Hunt and you will get bombarded with everyone's wr4-5. Everyone wants something for nothing. They want to trade bench depth for starters. Be clear and tell people to look at the draft and offer a 2nd or 3rd round wr. Most likely you get no bites til the season starts.

 

You would have better luck with something like a Fitzgerald level wr plus an rb3 you like. Target a guy with subpar starters but lots of depth at RB.

Yep. Ppl in my league can be the definition of that cheapness. I'll still post and see tho. Thanks for the advice.

[seafoam1 3,499]

if i was only offered a wr3, i would refuse. rbs get injured all year and even if he is your backup, at one point you will need him as a 1 or someone else will need him as a 1. this guy will be good.

[himmystyles 30]

Was offered Snead by one guy, crowder by another. I'm thinking hold.

[Oriole8159 86]

Was offered Snead by one guy, crowder by another. I'm thinking hold.

those are both cr @p offers; absolutely hold and make sure to point out how dumb those two owners are.

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

those are both cr @p offers; absolutely hold and make sure to point out how dumb those two owners are.

 

How can it be a crap offer when we have no idea what Hunt is going to be. Hunt does not have any true value until he actually performs in a full regular season game. Right now it's all pure opinion.

[Ray_T 797]

those are both cr @p offers; absolutely hold and make sure to point out how dumb those two owners are.

or how dumb they think you are.

[Oriole8159 86]

 

How can it be a crap offer when we have no idea what Hunt is going to be. Hunt does not have any true value until he actually performs in a full regular season game. Right now it's all pure opinion.

you look at it like an actuary would. Here's what he has going for him...

 

*KC has consistently utilized one RB, and because of that they've regularly been fantasy gold mine for the RB position. Jamaal Charles at his peak was continuously a top 5 performer.

*A pedestrian Spencer Ware in 2016 got almost 250 touches and ranked as RB17, making him an every week starter. And he's not a good player even.

* KC traded a 3rd, 4th and a 7th rd picks to move up and specifically draft Hunt, and Andy Reid has already raved about him at camp even before Ware went down.

*Reid has stated he is their workhorse after Ware went down.

*Charcandrick West was terrible last year in the spot starts he got for Ware.

 

Everything points to Hunt becoming exactly what people are hypothesizing he will be. You shouldn't have to wait and see to make an educated decision.

If a guy wants to take your approach and settle for a Jamison Crowder, then that's their prerogative. But Jamison Crowder is not going to win you your league. Hitting on Kareem Hunt, especially if you drafted him before the Ware injury, can very easily win you your league.

 

I personally would never trade a lottery pick like Hunt for pennies like that, and I'd rather he bust big time on my bench than go off on that other guy's team while settling for meager WR 2/3 production from someone like Crowder.

[Oriole8159 86]

or how dumb they think you are.

see above

[wizbang 10]

those are both cr @p offers; absolutely hold and make sure to point out how dumb those two owners are.

I stopped making insulting offers like these years ago. They make it harder for you to come back with a serious offer and in the odd chance an idiot accepts it, the league will be pissed and nobody will want to trade with you. I know a lot of owners still pedal crap as I get "wow, that's actually a good offer" replies.

 

Sure, Crowder and Snead could end up scoring more. They could outscore Demarco Murray or Gurley or McCoy too. Someone at their level WILL outscore some if these guys. However, their value is much lower though by any reasonable measure. While less drastic with Hunt, right now he has several rounds higher value.

[Ray_T 797]

Right now Hunt is worth no more (and probably a little less) than what you paid for him

 

But

 

once he plays one or two games, and if those games are productive I can see the hype train getting out of control on this kid quickly.

 

If you own him, you dont want to unload until he plays. (even then, you may not want to unload)

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

you look at it like an actuary would. Here's what he has going for him...

 

*KC has consistently utilized one RB, and because of that they've regularly been fantasy gold mine for the RB position. Jamaal Charles at his peak was continuously a top 5 performer.

*A pedestrian Spencer Ware in 2016 got almost 250 touches and ranked as RB17, making him an every week starter. And he's not a good player even.

* KC traded a 3rd, 4th and a 7th rd picks to move up and specifically draft Hunt, and Andy Reid has already raved about him at camp even before Ware went down.

*Reid has stated he is their workhorse after Ware went down.

*Charcandrick West was terrible last year in the spot starts he got for Ware.

 

Everything points to Hunt becoming exactly what people are hypothesizing he will be. You shouldn't have to wait and see to make an educated decision.

If a guy wants to take your approach and settle for a Jamison Crowder, then that's their prerogative. But Jamison Crowder is not going to win you your league. Hitting on Kareem Hunt, especially if you drafted him before the Ware injury, can very easily win you your league.

 

I personally would never trade a lottery pick like Hunt for pennies like that, and I'd rather he bust big time on my bench than go off on that other guy's team while settling for meager WR 2/3 production from someone like Crowder.

 

I agree with all of that and I wouldn't make that trade either but that's my opinion. Right now the only value Hunt has is just perceived value by others. If I have him I'm not trading him for players like that because I feel he's worth more and I've invested in him. If I'm trading for him I'm not willing to give up a lot because I don't know for sure what he's going to do and if I felt he was worth that much I would've drafted him high in the first place.

[Ray_T 797]

 

I agree with all of that and I wouldn't make that trade either but that's my opinion. Right now the only value Hunt has is just perceived value by others. If I have him I'm not trading him for players like that because I feel he's worth more and I've invested in him. If I'm trading for him I'm not willing to give up a lot because I don't know for sure what he's going to do and if I felt he was worth that much I would've drafted him high in the first place.

without a doubt, if you drafted him, you likely valued him higher than everyone else at that time.

 

so there's no profit in dealing him now. He hasnt done anything to prove himself.

 

but 3 games from now, if he plays reasonably well, the sky is the limit. Reid knows how to get production out of the RB position. The risk of holding him is not very large. The risk of trading him and having him perform for someone else is considerably larger. and the reward for dealing him now is not gonna make a significant difference to your bottom line.

 

Hawkeye in the post above more or less nailed it.

[Oriole8159 86]

 

I agree with all of that and I wouldn't make that trade either but that's my opinion. Right now the only value Hunt has is just perceived value by others. If I have him I'm not trading him for players like that because I feel he's worth more and I've invested in him. If I'm trading for him I'm not willing to give up a lot because I don't know for sure what he's going to do and if I felt he was worth that much I would've drafted him high in the first place.

okay fair enough. Sounds like we're on the same page.

 

But the OP was asking as a Hunt owner receiving this offer, so I wasn't concerned in my response with the motivation of the Snead or Crowder owner. They're obviously trying to trade in their own self interest.

 

I wanted to respond as though it was me as a Hunt owner receiving that trade offer, and I wouldn't trade for even remotely close to that.

[himmystyles 30]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I can tell no one sees the potential value here so I'll hold onto him. I got him in the 11th if I recall, a few hours before ware went down. My investment is small, so the potential profit margin is big for me. No point in dealing.

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

okay fair enough. Sounds like we're on the same page.

 

But the OP was asking as a Hunt owner receiving this offer, so I wasn't concerned in my response with the motivation of the Snead or Crowder owner. They're obviously trying to trade in their own self interest.

 

I wanted to respond as though it was me as a Hunt owner receiving that trade offer, and I wouldn't trade for even remotely close to that.

 

I was responding to it because I think both sides should be defended here. I wouldn't accept that trade as the Hunt owner and I wouldn't be willing to trade too much more to get Hunt right now. It's not a good time to try that trade unless you have a bad feeling about Hunt and want to get rid of him while he has some hype. If that's the case though you probably shouldn't have drafted him.

 

Another thing to consider is where you drafted Hunt. I drafted him two weeks ago before Ware's injury and got him in the 14th round. If I didn't feel he was going to be as great as most think I could get a pretty good player for the cost of a 14th round pick. I don't feel that way though and instead feel like I found gold.

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I can tell no one sees the potential value here so I'll hold onto him. I got him in the 11th if I recall, a few hours before ware went down. My investment is small, so the potential profit margin is big for me. No point in dealing.

 

There are two ways of looking at it.

 

1) You keep him and he gives you amazing return on investment.

2) You trade him in hopes of getting amazing return on investment.

 

Neither are terrible ideas as your investment is minimal but you're going to be really upset if you trade him and does really well.

[weepaws 3,413]

Make a offer and see what happens.

[Oriole8159 86]

 

I was responding to it because I think both sides should be defended here. I wouldn't accept that trade as the Hunt owner and I wouldn't be willing to trade too much more to get Hunt right now. It's not a good time to try that trade unless you have a bad feeling about Hunt and want to get rid of him while he has some hype. If that's the case though you probably shouldn't have drafted him.

 

Another thing to consider is where you drafted Hunt. I drafted him two weeks ago before Ware's injury and got him in the 14th round. If I didn't feel he was going to be as great as most think I could get a pretty good player for the cost of a 14th round pick. I don't feel that way though and instead feel like I found gold.

 

I drafted on Tues night and he went Pick 24, and I was already prepared to draft him at 30.

Obviously our values are different at this point.

[Ray_T 797]

okay fair enough. Sounds like we're on the same page.

 

But the OP was asking as a Hunt owner receiving this offer, so I wasn't concerned in my response with the motivation of the Snead or Crowder owner. They're obviously trying to trade in their own self interest.

 

I wanted to respond as though it was me as a Hunt owner receiving that trade offer, and I wouldn't trade for even remotely close to that.

when the offer is bordering on insulting, the best move is to just say, I'll have to decline your offer. (nice and polite)

 

what they want to do with a low ball offer is to start the negotiations from that spot. and if that's what happens, usually the price is a whole lot better for them. so what you need to do is say, not interested.... thanks.

 

If they are serious, they will come back with a more realistic offer and you can start negotiating from there.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Was offered Snead by one guy, crowder by another. I'm thinking hold.

Those were terrible offers. You should be a little insulted

[himmystyles 30]

Those were terrible offers. You should be a little insulted

lol sure am. No one is gonna give me more though I can tell. That's fine I'll enjoy the production.

[Ray_T 797]

lol sure am. No one is gonna give me more though I can tell. That's fine I'll enjoy the production.

you dont know that unless you shop him around.

 

That being said, This is not a good time to sell. once Game 1 is in the books, his price will go up a lot if he plays reasonably well.

[seafoam1 3,499]

I am all in on Hunt. I actually put him on a 4 year contract in my league structure. Do what you want, but I would rather have a starting RB as my teams backup, rather than a wr2 that would be a starter for me.

 

That sounds dumb in a week by week look, but overall, there will be injuries at RB and trade value or usage of Hunt will be big.

 

Plus he's in KC. Perfect situation.

[Oriole8159 86]

you dont know that unless you shop him around.

 

That being said, This is not a good time to sell. once Game 1 is in the books, his price will go up a lot if he plays reasonably well.

plus, he may end up being better than what you currently have at RB.

I know you said you think you're deep, but I don't recall you actually saying what you have. You'd hate to trade him now to only find out that you have this year's version of Lamar Miller or Todd Gurley, 2016 after it's too late.

[seafoam1 3,499]

plus, he may end up being better than what you currently have at RB.

I know you said you think you're deep, but I don't recall you actually saying what you have. You'd hate to trade him now to only find out that you have this year's version of Lamar Miller or Todd Gurley, 2016 after it's too late.

agreed agreed agreed

 

If you are in serious need of receiver, I would still not give him up for anything less than an Evans or AJ Green. But if you are not strong at RB, don't even do that.

[himmystyles 30]

plus, he may end up being better than what you currently have at RB.

I know you said you think you're deep, but I don't recall you actually saying what you have. You'd hate to trade him now to only find out that you have this year's version of Lamar Miller or Todd Gurley, 2016 after it's too late.

Sorry. I have dj, Demarco, Henry, Doug Martin, jacquizz, and hunt.

[Oriole8159 86]

Sorry. I have dj, Demarco, Henry, Doug Martin, jacquizz, and hunt.

glad you said that because you are not as deep as you think you are.

 

Demarco and Henry could both steal production from each other, and cap each other's potential. I was a Murray/Henry owner last year, and especially towards the end of the year, Murray started losing goal line carries so he wasn't a must start when the playofffs came along. I don't know if it was just him getting tired by the end of the year or not, but it scared me to the point where I didn't want to pay for him this year. Who knows what's going to happen this year.

 

And you can't trust anything right now in Tampa. Again, this could easily end up as a split too, and limit each other's potential.

 

DJ and Hunt are your only sure fire 3 down backs right now, so I'm even more convinced that you should not trade him.

[seafoam1 3,499]

glad you said that because you are not as deep as you think you are.

 

Demarco and Henry could both steal production from each other, and cap each other's potential. I was a Murray/Henry owner last year, and especially towards the end of the year, Murray started losing goal line carries so he wasn't a must start when the playofffs came along. I don't know if it was just him getting tired by the end of the year or not, but it scared me to the point where I didn't want to pay for him this year. Who knows what's going to happen this year.

 

And you can't trust anything right now in Tampa. Again, this could easily end up as a split too, and limit each other's potential.

 

DJ and Hunt are your only sure fire 3 down backs right now, so I'm even more convinced that you should not trade him.

Again agreed. Don't give up Hunt. You need him.

[himmystyles 30]

glad you said that because you are not as deep as you think you are.

 

Demarco and Henry could both steal production from each other, and cap each other's potential. I was a Murray/Henry owner last year, and especially towards the end of the year, Murray started losing goal line carries so he wasn't a must start when the playofffs came along. I don't know if it was just him getting tired by the end of the year or not, but it scared me to the point where I didn't want to pay for him this year. Who knows what's going to happen this year.

 

And you can't trust anything right now in Tampa. Again, this could easily end up as a split too, and limit each other's potential.

 

DJ and Hunt are your only sure fire 3 down backs right now, so I'm even more convinced that you should not trade him.

Thanks for the help I'll hang onto him for sure.

[Oriole8159 86]

Thanks for the help I'll hang onto him for sure.

you're welcome.

And I should preface my statement by saying I do like your slew of RBs still, just not enough yet to be comfortable moving on from Hunt. I'd need to see more from everybody first.

 

It's a real good group though.

[Franknbeans 46]

I was thinking of offering him for Martavis. Talk me down.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I was thinking of offering him for Martavis. Talk me down.

Why would we talk you down from offering up a running back who is in line to be the lead back in the most highly conservative offense in the league, for a wide receiver that's the third best option on his own team, and is one failed or missed drug test away for being suspended for a year? Talk you down? No way, you should totally do that. I mean why else do we talk about all these flier running backs, if not to trade them away for a wide receiver 2 or 3 when they hit.

[Franknbeans 46]

Point taken.

[himmystyles 30]

Why would we talk you down from offering up a running back who is in line to be the lead back in the most highly conservative offense in the league, for a wide receiver that's the third best option on his own team, and is one failed or missed drug test away for being suspended for a year? Talk you down? No way, you should totally do that. I mean why else do we talk about all these flier running backs, if not to trade them away for a wide receiver 2 or 3 when they hit.

Lol amazing.

[weepaws 3,413]

Who are your WRs?

[Crystal Meth Tweekers 26]

I rolled the dice on him in 3 leagues. I used a mid 3rd and 2 4rth round picks. This situation reminds me of Ray Rice 2009. He has been compared to Ray by the way. I picked up Rice in 4th and 5th rounds in 3 leagues. I won 2/3 leagues that year.

 

Let's go Hunt!!!