12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 You first.That's what I thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 460 Posted October 19, 2017 Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit. This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion. You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue. And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong. http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif Or you can run away and hide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit. This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion. You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue. And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong. http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif Or you can run away and hide. He's long gone. He's got nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 That's what I thought. Me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 Me too. Yea it's hilarious that you are a hypocrite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 Yea it's hilarious that you are a hypocrite. From the guy who challenges me to post a pic but won't do it himself. Did I pick on your man crush? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 From the guy who challenges me to post a pic but won't do it himself. Did I pick on your man crush? I wasn't the one commenting on another's looks you focking hypocrite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 I wasn't the one commenting on another's looks you focking hypocrite. Cruz looks like a bridge troll. I'm sorry you're gay for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 Cruz looks like a bridge troll. I'm sorry you're gay for him. Let's see what you look like. Then we can see what a bridge troll really looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 Let's see what you look like. Then we can see what a bridge troll really looks like. Should I post my address and social security # too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 Should I post my address and social security # too?Keep moving the goal posts pvssy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 Keep moving the goal posts pvssy. I will PM you a nude pic shortly, creeper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus Chrysler 29 Posted October 19, 2017 This got uncomfortable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 19, 2017 You make more money now so you pay more taxes? Wow, that's crazy! I have no problem paying more taxes, the problem I have is paying a higher % Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted October 19, 2017 The simple answer is that economic growth is a bigger driver of tax revenue than rates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 I will PM you a nude pic shortly, creeper.Says the guy who won't post his pic. Pvssy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 Says the guy who won't post his pic. Pvssy. Neither will you, twat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,390 Posted October 19, 2017 Lion Ted Cruz did great last night. He stuck to the facts which is what he is good at. I do agree he has a very punchable face. Sanders on the other hand is a threat to democracy. Dude is a total socialist who wants to destroy our whole way of life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted October 19, 2017 I have no problem paying more taxes, the problem I have is paying a higher % 100k a yr to over 200 . I went from paying about 22k a yr to over 48k Math? Like This Prof Stats- 12 man PPR Superflex, 4pt passing, 2 Keeps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 Neither will you, twat. cant blame you. You must be one ugly doosh. No wonder daddy never hugged you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,902 Posted October 19, 2017 cant blame you. You must be one ugly doosh. No wonder daddy never hugged you. You too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted October 19, 2017 You too. Right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 19, 2017 100k a yr to over 200 . I went from paying about 22k a yr to over 48k Math? Like This Prof Stats- 12 man PPR Superflex, 4pt passing, 2 Keeps math? yes have you heard of it if I make 100k and pay 22k then if I make 200k I should pay 44k, instead I pay 48k, not sure what is so hard for you to follow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted October 19, 2017 You said over 200k a year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 19, 2017 You said over 200k a year yes 204k to be exact, and I also said over 48k, which by my current calculations will be 48.500 approx based on if the months average point is I believe in a %, not a scaling % cause I make more I go from 22 to about 25, again not really that big of a deal, but of course Bernie thinks I should pay 50% at least Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,325 Posted October 19, 2017 math? yes have you heard of it if I make 100k and pay 22k then if I make 200k I should pay 44k, instead I pay 48k, not sure what is so hard for you to follow So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 460 Posted October 19, 2017 So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern eraFederal Income Tax began @ 1%. And Socialists like you applauded, and immediately began the push for more. Now, you have no problem thinking some people should pay half of what they earn. That's a flat disgrace. It's robbery; it's immoral. You haven't supported your claim that tax cuts slash revenue, Worms. Gonna get to it at some point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 759 Posted October 19, 2017 A guy in my fantasy football league is still coordinating sh!t like this for team Cruz Saw him tweeting from the event last night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,180 Posted October 19, 2017 So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era Federal Income Tax began @ 1%. And Socialists like you applauded, and immediately began the push for more. Now, you have no problem thinking some people should pay half of what they earn. That's a flat disgrace. It's robbery; it's immoral. You haven't supported your claim that tax cuts slash revenue, Worms. Gonna get to it at some point? you are both correct. https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets/ Historical tax rates since 1913 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 20, 2017 So you're against progressive taxation. That's not a Bernie issue, that's a bedrock principle of US taxation issue going back to basically the beginning of the modern era dont care how long its been around, I am against it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted October 20, 2017 yes 204k to be exact, and I also said over 48k, which by my current calculations will be 48.500 approx based on if the months average point is I believe in a %, not a scaling % cause I make more I go from 22 to about 25, again not really that big of a deal, but of course Bernie thinks I should pay 50% at least Again math... 22 to 24.25%.....wahhhhhhhhhhh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 20, 2017 Again math... 22 to 24.25%.....wahhhhhhhhhhh again not the point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 21, 2017 Watched it, someone must have told Bernie how low 1% is, cause his new line is 1/10th of 1% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,325 Posted October 21, 2017 Watched it, someone must have told Bernie how low 1% is, cause his new line is 1/10th of 1% Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 460 Posted October 21, 2017 Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top It's called math. Those with money to invest will ALWAYS do better than those who don't, or have less. What part of that is difficult for you to figure out? You're not even willing to face that you're utterly FOS about tax cuts. The three major tax cuts in the last 70 years have ALL resulted in a great increase in revenue to the Treasury, and you run away like a scared school girl and refuse to confront the stupidity of your views. Just like every prog ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 21, 2017 Hes always used both. Theyre relevant. The point is all the wealth and income is concentrated at the top and even then its further concentrated at the top of the top Bernie thinks Denmark is a good country to follow. 49.6% tax rate Bernie also thinks lets get to the FACTS...Polls say...lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,325 Posted October 21, 2017 Bernie thinks Denmark is a good country to follow. 49.6% tax rate Yes he does. Thats true. Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people. Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,606 Posted October 21, 2017 Yes he does. Thats true. Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people. Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit. Yes I know what you allegedly don't pay for by allowing the govt to take care of more stuff. Problem is and my major issue is that the govt spends stupidly and 99% of govt programs are a disaster, but we expect them to get this right? No thanks. Also Bernie couldn't even respond when Cruz brought up wait time facts. Another issue is without the free market we have do you really think the US would remain the no 1 in medical research Also it's neat how a couple years ago Bernie admired socialist Venezuela but since another socialist regime has failed it's on to Euro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 460 Posted October 21, 2017 Simple chart, Worms. This is a chart of revenue to the Treasury during the 1980's. You've already claimed that Reagan's tax cuts exploded the deficit. This chart demonstrates that it wasn't tax cuts which resulted in deficit explosion. You, though, can prove you are a person of integrity by admitting that Reagan cutting taxes didn't result in a loss of revenue. And then we can discuss why your preconceptions were wrong. http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Reagan-tax-revenue-4.2012.gif Or you can run away and hide. Is Worms still hiding? Newbie says he doesn't like weak posters who cannot handle alternative views. Worms: Newbie - of all people - just called you out. Go ahead and support your claim. Tax cuts, you claim, reduce revenue. Here I offer proof that you're wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 460 Posted October 21, 2017 Yes he does. Thats true. Just so you understand, tax rates would be high but youd have services you dont pay for out of pocket. So for example you wouldnt pay for medical insurance. That right there is worth hundreds if not thousands per month. You wouldnt pay for early childhood education aka daycare. Again, thousands per month for people with small children. You wouldnt pay for most or all of college. Tens of thousands or more for most people. Now there are criticisms of that model. State control being the chief one of course. Now there are solutions for that like the health insurance model where its paid for by taxes but administered by a private insurer under contract. Thats a good option that works for all kinds of these things. But you may not like it and Im sure you have legitimate concerns. Just know that when you say high taxes the concept is that most everyone actually ends up with a net benefit. Or, you could opt for the freedom to buy the services you need from the providers you desire to patronize, and for a price you negotiate with them directly. And then I could allow my lifestyle choices to best affect my own health expenditures, and also not overpay because my taxes are higher than yours. All of this freedom and personal accountability requires big boy pants, though, so I can see why you're uncomfortable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites