Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Strike 5,597]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That woman is pure stupid. Come on Texas, first Beto now this dope? 

Notice how, when Tim Hack is proven 100% wrong, he just ignores it instead of admitting his mistake.  Take this as notice, Tim boy, just like the time I referenced last week.  This is what you do, and why you're a joke.  Admit when you're wrong.  Don't just pretend it didn't happen.

[Reality 3,121]

28 minutes ago, Strike said:

Notice how, when Tim Hack is proven 100% wrong, he just ignores it instead of admitting his mistake.  Take this as notice, Tim boy, just like the time I referenced last week.  This is what you do, and why you're a joke.  Admit when you're wrong.  Don't just pretend it didn't happen.

Yup, 100% true, sadly.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

32 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

In case I wasn't clear, what is baffling is people running out and begging to have this stuff pumped into them without a hint of pause to think about consequences.

I followed you, but the government has proven one thing, and that is they absolutely know the psychological mindset of their followers. So in that regard, it's not baffling. Our friends, neighbors, family have proven to be NOT what we thought they were. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

Notice how, when Tim Hack is proven 100% wrong, he just ignores it instead of admitting his mistake.  Take this as notice, Tim boy, just like the time I referenced last week.  This is what you do, and why you're a joke.  Admit when you're wrong.  Don't just pretend it didn't happen.

When botcuck doesn't respond to you in 15 seconds, you know he is on the net feverously searching for loopholes in his own failed argument. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

35 minutes ago, Strike said:

Notice how, when Tim Hack is proven 100% wrong, he just ignores it instead of admitting his mistake.  Take this as notice, Tim boy, just like the time I referenced last week.  This is what you do, and why you're a joke.  Admit when you're wrong.  Don't just pretend it didn't happen.

It's a liberal trait to attack without substance, and avoid logical statements when it comes out of other's mouths.. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

53 minutes ago, Strike said:

Notice how, when Tim Hack is proven 100% wrong, he just ignores it instead of admitting his mistake.  Take this as notice, Tim boy, just like the time I referenced last week.  This is what you do, and why you're a joke.  Admit when you're wrong.  Don't just pretend it didn't happen.

I don't even know what other time you were talking about.  I asked and you didn't answer.

But no, I don't really care to debate the semantics of the type of flight it was.   But if you insist, do you have a link saying it was a charter and not just you saying "if I'm not mistaken"?

[Reality 3,121]

24 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

When botcuck doesn't respond to you in 15 seconds, you know he is on the net feverously searching for loopholes in his own failed argument. 

Spot on.

[Strike 5,597]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I don't even know what other time you were talking about.  I asked and you didn't answer.

But no, I don't really care to debate the semantics of the type of flight it was.   But if you insist, do you have a link saying it was a charter and not just you saying "if I'm not mistaken"?

It's not semantics.  Your entire defense of them was based on your assumption that because they weren't flying Southwest they weren't subject to the same rules the general public was.  Which was an idiotic argument in and of itself.  But it turns out they were on charter flights, which ARE subject to the same rules as commercial flights.  And you still won't admit you're wrong.  What a focking joke. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

It's not semantics.  Your entire defense of them was based on your assumption that because they weren't flying Southwest they weren't subject to the same rules the general public was.  Which was an idiotic argument in and of itself.  But it turns out they were on charter flights, which ARE subject to the same rules as commercial flights.  And you still won't admit you're wrong.  What a focking joke. 

So no link then?  I was going off the tweet from the actual person on the damn plane.

Edit: And what other time were you talking about?  Let me know and I'll gladly address it if I haven't already.

[Strike 5,597]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So no link then?  I was going off the tweet from the actual person on the damn plane.

Edit: And what other time were you talking about?  Let me know and I'll gladly address it if I haven't already.

Did she book the flight?  If not, why are you trusting her to be accurate?  Doubly because she's a politician.  Do you trust everything every politician says?  Do you think Trump ever said something that wasn't accurate?

As far as a link goes, yes I have one.  I found it easily by looking at news articles from when those people left Texas.  You can do the same.  If you want me to post mine I gladly will, if you'll agree that if I'm right that it was a charter you'll self ban from this board.  Otherwise, do your own damn homework. 

As I said, Tim won't ever admit he's wrong even when proven so.  Pathetic.

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Did she book the flight?  If not, why are you trusting her to be accurate?  Doubly because she's a politician.  Do you trust everything every politician says?  Do you think Trump ever said something that wasn't accurate?

As far as a link goes, yes I have one.  I found it easily by looking at news articles from when those people left Texas.  You can do the same.  If you want me to post mine I gladly will, if you'll agree that if I'm right that it was a charter you'll self ban from this board.  Otherwise, do your own damn homework. 

As I said, Tim won't ever admit he's wrong even when proven so.  Pathetic.

I've admitted I was wrong or reconsidered my position plenty of times, even on points you've made.    So no I won't "self ban."  But please post and I'll review the evidence.   I've done some quick searches (not even on google!) and don't see anything definitive.  

And are you ever going to tell me what other point I supposedly ignored?

[Strike 5,597]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

The source of the infection is most likely one of the non vaccinated staff.  Nursing homes are probably the one employer that should be able to require staff be vaccinated...

 

So your opinion, with no evidence, is that a non vaccinated staff member caused an outbreak but you're not sure if the Dems from Texas infected each other?

[Strike 5,597]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I've admitted I was wrong or reconsidered my position plenty of times, even on points you've made.    So no I won't "self ban."  But please post and I'll review the evidence.   I've done some quick searches (not even on google!) and don't see anything definitive.  

And are you ever going to tell me what other point I supposedly ignored?

Post the results of your search.  I want to see what homework you actually did.

[TimHauck 2,929]

Just now, Strike said:

So your opinion, with no evidence, is that a non vaccinated staff member caused an outbreak but you're not sure if the Dems from Texas infected each other?

No that's not what I said.   I said we're not sure they were infected on the plane.

[Strike 5,597]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

Post the results of your search.  I want to see what homework you actually did.

Bump for Hackboy.

[TimHauck 2,929]

34 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And are you ever going to tell me what other point I supposedly ignored?

bump

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 hour ago, TK0001 said:

No, that's idiotic.

You are treating COVID as if it's an actual existential threat to humanity, disregarding the fact we have learned how to treat it so much more efficiently since it started, and the death rate has since plummeted even as case rate has spiked and declined several times.

You did hit the nail in the head, though, in regard to FDA approval. If the vaccine gets proper vetting and goes through a rigorous approval process, people would be much more inclined to get it, using the same rationale as getting a yearly flu shot. This is a vaccine approved only under emergency use, and its manufacturers cannot be sued for death or any other horrible side effects that we see happening. All these are, of course, completely ignored by people, presumably like yourself, who insist, with no actual facts to back them up, the vaccine is 100% safe and has been from day one. The lack of research before accepting a non-vetted experimental substance into one's body, and placing all trust in a government that has shown time and time again it has not a care in the world about us inconsequentials, is baffling in its stupidity.

For those who are unvaccinated and not previously infected, and probably even the vaccinated elderly, I think it is an "existential threat."    I mean it's certainly more harmful than smoking IMO since smokers often live long lives.   You're right, a lot has changed since it started!  We now have multiple effective vaccines.

But what changed since January 2021 in terms of treatment, when we hit our peak of deaths in the pandemic basically a year after it started?  That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.   I asked the same question to Strike which he ignored (since we're apparently calling out people for ignoring points now).

I don't think the death rate truly "plummeted" prior to the vaccine.  It went down around the summer and fall because we finally had sufficient tests.

I do think full FDA approval will help convince some people on the fence, but I'm skeptical it will be very many.

But that doesn't mean a lot of research and vetting (including years developing the technology) didn't go into them getting the EUA.    Not to mention since it's been available the real-world data shows that it's working, especially at preventing hospitalization deaths (and yes, infection too) - I could see some hesitation when it first came out, but by now there is a lot of evidence available as to their safety and efficacy.   Yes, there have been some serious side effects and likely some deaths, but I seriously doubt it's anywhere near 12k though (no, not higher lod).   But even if we say it is, there have been over 340 million doses given.  That's a death rate "from the vaccine" of  0.0035% if we take all of those VAERS reports at their word.  Not to mention over 2 billions doses have been given around the world as well, so even if "our" government doesn't care about us, surely there are some others that do care about their people and we would have heard about it right?  

[Strike 5,597]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

bump

No.  No need to, and I'm not going to go searching through 318 pages to show you.  But it's pretty clear you're wrong here, and yet you won't admit it.  Why would I bother revisiting a previous discussion where you did the exact same thing? 

[TimHauck 2,929]

53 minutes ago, Strike said:

Post the results of your search.  I want to see what homework you actually did.

For reference, from the link you posted:

"Private conveyances for personal, non-commercial use are exempt from the rule, meaning passengers of private Part 91 operations are not required to comply."

 

Here's an article from before they even tested positive: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/14/who-paying-texas-democrats-walkout-voting/

"The House Democratic caucus paid for the two private jets that flew members to Washington, D.C., on Monday, according to the caucus’ executive director, Phillip Martin"

 

I don't really see anything definitive saying whether or not it was a "Part 91."

[TimHauck 2,929]

Your turn Strike.

[TimHauck 2,929]

23 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  No need to, and I'm not going to go searching through 318 pages to show you.  But it's pretty clear you're wrong here, and yet you won't admit it.  Why would I bother revisiting a previous discussion where you did the exact same thing? 

The last time you said I ignored you, I even checked back a couple pages and couldn’t find what you were referring to.  If you don’t want to find it that’s fine, but then stop making claims you can’t back up.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

I doubt the mask rule for private planes had chartered ones with a big load of passengers in mind. Weasel way out. And Tim defends them. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I doubt the mask rule for private planes had chartered ones with a big load of passengers in mind. Weasel way out. And Tim defends them. 

I would assume that any plane that takes off or lands at any airport in the US is bound by the same rules.

[Strike 5,597]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

For reference, from the link you posted:

"Private conveyances for personal, non-commercial use are exempt from the rule, meaning passengers of private Part 91 operations are not required to comply."

 

Here's an article from before they even tested positive: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/14/who-paying-texas-democrats-walkout-voting/

"The House Democratic caucus paid for the two private jets that flew members to Washington, D.C., on Monday, according to the caucus’ executive director, Phillip Martin"

 

I don't really see anything definitive saying whether or not it was a "Part 91."

It's pretty damn simple.  If you paid for the plane that's commercial and you have to wear masks.  The exemption is for people who own their own plane and are flying it for themselves, or their business.  So, Jeff Bezos in an Amazon owned plane doesn't have to wear a mask.  50 Democrats in rented planes have to wear masks.   Here are some experts explaining it:

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/verify/verify-mask-mandate-on-private-planes/269-2774f8e1-92f2-4491-9d7b-a09fa40d8cc5

God, you're an idiot.

[Strike 5,597]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

I would assume that any plane that takes off or lands at any airport in the US is bound by the same rules.

No.  Small private planes and business planes owned by the business are exempt.  But as soon as you're paying for the travel, boom you have to wear a mask.

[Strike 5,597]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The last time you said I ignored you, I even checked back a couple pages and couldn’t find what you were referring to.  If you don’t want to find it that’s fine, but then stop making claims you can’t back up.

Choosing not to do something doesn't mean a person can't do it. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's pretty damn simple.  If you paid for the plane that's commercial and you have to wear masks.  The exemption is for people who own their own plane and are flying it for themselves, or their business.  So, Jeff Bezos in an Amazon owned plane doesn't have to wear a mask.  50 Democrats in rented planes have to wear masks.   Here are some experts explaining it:

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/verify/verify-mask-mandate-on-private-planes/269-2774f8e1-92f2-4491-9d7b-a09fa40d8cc5

God, you're an idiot.

I saw that article.  And yet, it doesn’t specify what type this was...

[TimHauck 2,929]

I will say it was stupid of them to take the picture without masks regardless of whether they were legally allowed to.  They had to know people would criticize them even if a bunch of them didn’t later test positive.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

8 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I would assume that any plane that takes off or lands at any airport in the US is bound by the same rules.

Come on man! You know there are different rules for the elite. 

[Strike 5,597]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I saw that article.  And yet, it doesn’t specify what type this was...

I have to ask.  Are you focking retarded?  It quotes the exemption from the CDC order, and has a link to that order.  Go read it you focking tard.  Or just, for once, admit you're wrong. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have to ask.  Are you focking retarded?  It quotes the exemption from the CDC order, and has a link to that order.  Go read it you focking tard.  Or just, for once, admit you're wrong. 

But is there confirmation they paid a charter company to fly it, which was your original claim?  Isn’t it possible some big donor said yeah I’ll fly you guys up there in my private plane?  The article you linked clearly spells out the differences in the mandate.  But it didn’t spell out what type of flight the one in question actually was.

[Strike 5,597]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But is there confirmation they paid a charter company to fly it, which was your original claim?  Isn’t it possible some big donor said yeah I’ll fly you guys up there in my private plane?  The article you linked clearly spells out the differences in the mandate.  But it didn’t spell out what type of flight the one in question actually was.

You ARE retarded, aren't you? 

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The 67 House Democrats flew on two chartered flights from Austin, taking selfies on a bus to the Austin-Bergstrom International Airport with a case of Miller Lite beer in a seat next to them. In widely circulated photos on social media, none of the Democrats on board were wearing masks, despite federal guidelines requiring masks on flights.

https://tylerpaper.com/news/texas/texas-house-democrats-flee-state-on-private-jets/article_b9eac2e0-9c08-5e71-b261-3fd778e22879.html

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Close to 60 of the Texas House of Representatives’ 67 Democrats departed Austin on two charter flights to the nation’s capital, where they vowed to press the Biden administration and congressional lawmakers to pass federal voting rights legislation.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/texas-democrats-planning-to-flee-state-to-block-voting-bill/

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More than 50 Texas lawmakers traveled to Washington on Monday aboard a private charter flight.

https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-texas-coronavirus-pandemic-77d20a64fa9755a66aa3ce2ca26b6644

How many more links do you want, Forrest Gumptard?

[Strike 5,597]

One more for you, TardHauck:

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The House Democratic caucus paid for the two private jets that flew members to Washington, D.C., on Monday, according to the caucus’ executive director, Phillip Martin, who did not provide a price tag for the flights.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/14/who-paying-texas-democrats-walkout-voting/

What next, you gonna dispute all my sources?  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Come on man! You know there are different rules for the elite. 

I know they don't obey them, but I figured the FAA and NTSB has a say in what happens in all airplanes.  But then I forgot that the CDC is now in the legislative branch and the judicial branch. Courtesy of our do nothing Congress. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

One more for you, TardHauck:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/14/who-paying-texas-democrats-walkout-voting/

What next, you gonna dispute all my sources?  

This is the link I posted.  A private jet isn’t always the same thing as a charter, right?  But assuming the other links are accurate, you got me, I’m just a plebe that doesn’t know that much about the private/charter jet industry.   Can we go back to actually talking about covid in this thread now?  As I’ve said multiple times, I’m not a liberal and I’m not really interested in talking politics, which was the main reason I didn’t care to follow up when you so confidently said it was “a charter flight, if I’m not mistaken.”  I’m sorry I believed the first hand source of someone that was on the plane. Those scummy liberals!!

Happy?

[TimHauck 2,929]

Strike, I am generally curious if you have any insight into what changed in the treatment since January 2021 when we saw our peak in deaths from the entire pandemic?

(in before lod says “it would be Ivermectin if the government didn’t block it because it’s cheap!”)

[Strike 5,597]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This is the link I posted.  A private jet isn’t always the same thing as a charter, right?  But assuming the other links are accurate, you got me, I’m just a plebe that doesn’t know that much about the private/charter jet industry.   Can we go back to actually talking about covid in this thread now?  As I’ve said multiple times, I’m not a liberal and I’m not really interested in talking politics, which was the main reason I didn’t care to follow up when you so confidently said it was “a charter flight, if I’m not mistaken.”  I’m sorry I believed the first hand source of someone that was on the plane.

Happy?

Eh.  Common sense would have dictated you were wrong pages ago.  Everyone else knew it.  But you're one of those guys who doesn't use common sense when forming conclusions. 

[Strike 5,597]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Strike, I am generally curious if you have any insight into what changed in the treatment since January 2021 when we saw our peak in deaths from the entire pandemic?

(in before lod says “it would be Ivermectin if the government didn’t block it because it’s cheap!”)

I've wasted enough time on you already today.  I'll pass.

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I've wasted enough time on you already today.  I'll pass.

Lol, you’re not interested in actual conversation, just “gotchas.”   Which is weird because I think that’s what you’ve accused me of doing in the past.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've wasted enough time on you already today.  I'll pass.

You may need to sign his timecard.  He has worked OT today.