rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 Have Wilson and Allen at QB RBs are: Conner, Akers, Justin Jackson, Swift would you trade Allen for any of the following: David Johnson, Antonio Gibson, or Myles Gaskin tried to trade for James Robinson but I don't think that will happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted October 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, rrmcguire said: Have Wilson and Allen at QB RBs are: Conner, Akers, Justin Jackson, Swift would you trade Allen for any of the following: David Johnson, Antonio Gibson, or Myles Gaskin tried to trade for James Robinson but I don't think that will happen Probably the wrong bored but pretty slow today, so no harm done. No I wouldn't for those guys. I'd rather trade Wilson for a better RB if possible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 only really person to trade with as other person lost Dak and was their only QB.......figured one of those guys could bolster my running backs and I could pickup Fitz or Cousins next week during Wilson's bye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted October 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, rrmcguire said: only really person to trade with as other person lost Dak and was their only QB.......figured one of those guys could bolster my running backs and I could pickup Fitz or Cousins next week during Wilson's bye In that case, If I had to pick one it would be DJ. His next 3 games are Tenn, GB, Jax, all bottom run D... GL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted October 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, rrmcguire said: Have Wilson and Allen at QB RBs are: Conner, Akers, Justin Jackson, Swift would you trade Allen for any of the following: David Johnson, Antonio Gibson, or Myles Gaskin tried to trade for James Robinson but I don't think that will happen QB's only have trade value in 2QB leagues and even then, it's minimal. In my 2QB keeper league, I have have Allen and Mahomes and I can't get anything of value for them. Josh Allen is averaging 30 ppg and I couldn't even get Tyreek Hill who's averaging 19 ppg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 TBay would you trade Allen for Johnson, Gibson, Gaskin? Pretty sure they won't trade Robinson just trying to get a consistent running back along with my others Akers and Swift have upside....worried Conner will get hurt each week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted October 13, 2020 It's "advice". I cannot believe you can't get anything more for Allen than that mess. It would have to be Johnson but I am unenthused when I watch him plod around the field. Then again Conner does the same thing......I know, I own him. Sllllloooooowwwww. You may end up being alright with the guys you have. Conner is scoring. Akers/Jackson/Swift all could/should get a bigger piece of the action with their teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 I tried offering Allen for James Robinson, but no go...... my receivers are: McLaurin, Godwin, Crowder, Higgins, Shenault, Hilton I thought about offering Allen and Crowder for Gaskin and Davante Adams I just don't see myself playing Allen over Wilson ever this year and this is an opprtunity to upgrade my RB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted October 13, 2020 I'd take that deal for Gaskin/Adams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: QB's only have trade value in 2QB leagues and even then, it's minimal. In my 2QB keeper league, I have have Allen and Mahomes and I can't get anything of value for them. Josh Allen is averaging 30 ppg and I couldn't even get Tyreek Hill who's averaging 19 ppg. Not for the ownwr who lost Dak , who the OP said was is only Qb. So for that owner who just lost their only Qb , a Wilson or Allen might be worth a lot to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, rrmcguire said: I tried offering Allen for James Robinson, but no go...... my receivers are: McLaurin, Godwin, Crowder, Higgins, Shenault, Hilton I thought about offering Allen and Crowder for Gaskin and Davante Adams I just don't see myself playing Allen over Wilson ever this year and this is an opprtunity to upgrade my RB Like Gaskin and Adams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted October 13, 2020 Why don't you try Allen and Crowder for a good RB, like a Kareem Hunt or Joe Mixon, or even better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 I'm offering the trade to the Dak Prescott owner, everyone else has 2 QB's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackjohn 31 Posted October 13, 2020 You have to remember that the Dak owner also sees the waiver wire. So offering Allen seems like a big piece, but in reality, he should be looking at the upgrade from Fitz to Allen. I'm not giving up a starting rb for that upgrade. If you can work a fairly even trade, adding Allen may put it over the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 I'm ahead in the waivers and going to pickup Fitz......if you did do the trade would you trade jackjohn would you trade for any of the 3....David Johnson, Gibson, or Gaskin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serenity Now 44 Posted October 13, 2020 As others have previously said, QBs don't have a lot of stand alone value, but they make for a decent sweetener when paired with another player in a 2 for 1 deal. It's very league dependent, but a team may be willing to take a hit at a more valuable position if they think they can make it up with an upgrade at QB while also getting a serviceable replacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted October 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, weepaws said: Not for the ownwr who lost Dak , who the OP said was is only Qb. So for that owner who just lost their only Qb , a Wilson or Allen might be worth a lot to them. I doubt it. I'm not giving up a starting RB for ANY QB, especially since QB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL anymore. Virtually every fantasy starting QB will get you 18+ ppg. If he packaged a decent player along with a QB, he might be able to get someone, but one-for-one, he's not getting anything good. He's also putting himself in a situation where he's depending on a mobile QB to stay healthy all year with no backup plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 our scoring works where QBs get a point per completion and RBs get 1/2 point per carry, PPR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted October 13, 2020 Even more of a reason why the value of QB's are devalued. Better QB's generally throw the ball less because they're winning more often... even still, the variation isn't all that high. Outside of Prescott who has a ton of talent to work with and a horrible defense, then next highest QB (Minshew - thus proving my point more), is averaging 27.4 comps per game. After him, there are 25 other QB's averaging at least 20 per start. In a 12-team league, if the top 18 QB's are taken, Ryan Tannehill at #19, is averaging 23.3 per game. That's only 4 points than #2. The kicker is... the top 10 (after Dak): Gardner Minshew 27.4 Joe Burrow 27 Josh Allen 26.25 Teddy Bridgewater 26 Matt Ryan 25.8 Derek Carr 25.6 Tom Brady 25.2 Kyler Murray 25.2 Drew Brees 25 Ben Roethlisberger 25 First off, that's a nominal drop. Secondly though, in a normal scoring system, only 3 of them rank in the top 10. Basically, it's helping lesser QB's catch up. The half-point per carry creates a bigger separation in RB's. There's almost 12 carries per game difference between the #1 RB (Henry - 27.3), and the #10 RB (Gurley - 15.8). Myles Gaskin, as previously mentioned is 20th in rush attempts at 12.8 per game. Ryan Fitzpatrick is QB6 in a standard scoring system... in this league, he's probably still top 10, and he's a free agent. I'm guessing there's another top 15 QB available as well. To get Allen or Wilson, I'd only offer up a mid range RB3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 point taken...with that would you trade Allen for...David Johnson, Antonio Gibson, or Miles Gaskin as I don't think I'll be able to get James Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,040 Posted October 13, 2020 I'd just pick up fitz before I traded anything for Kyle Allen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 Josh Allen not Kyle Allen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,040 Posted October 13, 2020 Oh. Then my answer is fùck no I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for any of those guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,040 Posted October 13, 2020 I would trade him for James robinson though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted October 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, rrmcguire said: point taken...with that would you trade Allen for...David Johnson, Antonio Gibson, or Miles Gaskin as I don't think I'll be able to get James Robinson I would pick up Fitz and package him with someone like Jackson or Swift to get Gaskin. You're giving up a part-time player with upside and a decent QB (who may have a shelf life), for a RB2 that you could start every week. The other guy is getting a RB for depth and a top 10 QB who very well may play all season... it's a win/win in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 offer on the table is I get: Gaskin, Gibson, and Davante Parker they get Allen, Swift, and Hilton RB's would then be Conner, Gaskin, Justin Jackson, Gibson, Akers would try and pickup Fitz or Stafford this week and go with Wilson rest of the way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,040 Posted October 13, 2020 I'd probably do that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted October 13, 2020 I wouldn't do that deal if I'm the other guy. I'm giving up 2 starting RB's for a QB and a RBBC? On top of that, Parker is the better WR. No way! If that guy does this deal, you are a huge winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, polecatt said: Why don't you try Allen and Crowder for a good RB, like a Kareem Hunt or Joe Mixon, or even better I wouldn’t trade Hunt or Mixon for a Qb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: I doubt it. I'm not giving up a starting RB for ANY QB, especially since QB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL anymore. Virtually every fantasy starting QB will get you 18+ ppg. If he packaged a decent player along with a QB, he might be able to get someone, but one-for-one, he's not getting anything good. He's also putting himself in a situation where he's depending on a mobile QB to stay healthy all year with no backup plan. Would agree, but that owner already drafted Dak , so he spent probably pretty high draft pick on a Qb, he might chase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 13, 2020 Trade is done I traded Allen, Swift, and Hilton for Gaskin, Gibson and Parker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, rrmcguire said: offer on the table is I get: Gaskin, Gibson, and Davante Parker they get Allen, Swift, and Hilton RB's would then be Conner, Gaskin, Justin Jackson, Gibson, Akers would try and pickup Fitz or Stafford this week and go with Wilson rest of the way Take it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, rrmcguire said: Trade is done I traded Allen, Swift, and Hilton for Gaskin, Gibson and Parker Congrats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackjohn 31 Posted October 13, 2020 That's a fair deal. You get 2 rb2 but both clear starters. TY and parker are a wash. Swift may be a year away yet, and Patricia is questionable with his rbs anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 14, 2020 In non ppr Hilton is a avg 4 points per game, Parker 9. I think it was a steal of a trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted October 14, 2020 No offense but gross. I don't like it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackjohn 31 Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, weepaws said: In non ppr Hilton is a avg 4 points per game, Parker 9. I think it was a steal of a trade. That may be, but I think TY will improve with more games played with Rivers, and Parker is an injury risk. That's my opinion from here on out. I guess we will see in a few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted October 14, 2020 Hilton has played in 15 of his Team last 21 games. Parker has played in 21 of his teams last 21 games. I think Rivers is done. With Pittman and Campbell both out I would have thought Hilton would already be producing more. Im sorry but it’s not close to even. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted October 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Jarvis Basnight said: It's "advice". Beat me to it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,335 Posted October 14, 2020 Also, wat is wrong with the Red Rocket (aside the fact that he is a ginger) from Dallas? I honestly think that he his going to put up very decent numbers for the rest of the year. Then again, I'm 0-5 right now, so don't listen to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites