January 6th

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The hero cops told a lot of lies. 

Blue lives matter!

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31 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Blue lives matter!

Praetorian Guard. 

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7 hours ago, squistion said:

What planet are you living on? 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

George Takei thinks women can have testicles. Cult?

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Tardcore republicans making more false claims, of course:

Speaker Mike Johnson’s decision to publicly release thousands of hours of Capitol security footage from Jan. 6, 2021, has fueled a renewed effort by Republican lawmakers and far-right activists to rewrite the history of the attack that day and exonerate the pro-Trump rioters who took part.

Mr. Johnson’s move last week to make the footage available — something the far right has long demanded — came as he tried to allay the anger of hard-line Republican lawmakers for working with Democrats to keep the government funded. Now, some of the same people who were irate about that decision are using the Jan. 6 video to circulate an array of false claims and conspiracy theories about the largest attack on the Capitol in centuries.

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, the hard-right Georgia Republican, was among the first lawmakers to post false information about the newly released videos. She claimed on the social media site X that surveillance video showed a rioter holding a law enforcement badge in his hand, suggesting that he was an undercover police officer “disguised as a Trump supporter” and the attack was an inside job.

But the item in the man’s hand in the screen grab she circulated appears, upon closer inspection, to have been a vape pen. And the man who is seen in that image, Kevin Lyons, was in fact a heating-and-cooling technician — not a police officer — who was later convicted at a public trial of multiple federal charges and sentenced to more than four years in prison.

Ms. Greene later edited her post to remove the false claim, but not before it had spread widely among Trump supporters.

Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, recirculated the same clip and false allegation that the man pictured had flashed a badge, adding that he looked forward to questioning Christopher S. Wray, the F.B.I. director, about the matter.

“How many of these guys are feds?” he asked in a separate post that included video of a violent clash between rioters and the police.

“Heads up,” former Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, who was the top Republican on the special House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack, responded to Mr. Lee. “A nutball conspiracy theorist appears to be posting from your account.”
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/23/us/politics/mike-johnson-jan-6-video.html

 

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On 11/21/2023 at 3:28 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

How’s everything? Getting any sleep? First thanksgiving and Christmas coming up. Enjoy! 

I’m usually falling asleep around 9 nowadays but I get plenty of sleep. Son literally sleeps 7-7 so never have to worry about not getting enough sleep lol 

[jonmx 2,429]

37 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Tardcore republicans making more false claims, of course:

Speaker Mike Johnson’s decision to publicly release thousands of hours of Capitol security footage from Jan. 6, 2021, has fueled a renewed effort by Republican lawmakers and far-right activists to rewrite the history of the attack that day and exonerate the pro-Trump rioters who took part.

Mr. Johnson’s move last week to make the footage available — something the far right has long demanded — came as he tried to allay the anger of hard-line Republican lawmakers for working with Democrats to keep the government funded. Now, some of the same people who were irate about that decision are using the Jan. 6 video to circulate an array of false claims and conspiracy theories about the largest attack on the Capitol in centuries.

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, the hard-right Georgia Republican, was among the first lawmakers to post false information about the newly released videos. She claimed on the social media site X that surveillance video showed a rioter holding a law enforcement badge in his hand, suggesting that he was an undercover police officer “disguised as a Trump supporter” and the attack was an inside job.

But the item in the man’s hand in the screen grab she circulated appears, upon closer inspection, to have been a vape pen. And the man who is seen in that image, Kevin Lyons, was in fact a heating-and-cooling technician — not a police officer — who was later convicted at a public trial of multiple federal charges and sentenced to more than four years in prison.

Ms. Greene later edited her post to remove the false claim, but not before it had spread widely among Trump supporters.

Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, recirculated the same clip and false allegation that the man pictured had flashed a badge, adding that he looked forward to questioning Christopher S. Wray, the F.B.I. director, about the matter.

“How many of these guys are feds?” he asked in a separate post that included video of a violent clash between rioters and the police.

“Heads up,” former Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, who was the top Republican on the special House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack, responded to Mr. Lee. “A nutball conspiracy theorist appears to be posting from your account.”
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/23/us/politics/mike-johnson-jan-6-video.html

 

CIA and FBI assets do not carry badges and are not agents.  The CIA and FBI have hundreds of millions in off the book expenses which they pay people to provide information and do inside work for them.  People like Ray Epps are paid $10,000 here, another $20,000 there for infiltrating orgsnizations and providing information to their FBI handlers.   It is cash and off the books and they are protected.  They can lie about their associations with the FBI and they will never be prosecuted for it.   Yes, they were duped by their ignorance.   But we know for a fact there were at least 40 of these FBI assets with boots on the ground in the crowd on January 6th, and Ray Epps was most certainly one of them.  

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I'm pretty traumatized after watching this video.

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1 minute ago, Reality said:

I'm pretty traumatized after watching this video.

Those poor Capitol Police!! How did they survive??? 

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9 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

So I just want to clarify in case I misunderstand: you believe that the 2020 election was fraudulent and that the January 6 riot at the Capitol was planned and led by the government who were plotting to make Trump look bad. Is that correct? 

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22 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

Well, they did invoke the emergency clause  to certify it. That did happen.  Doesn’t mean they planned it , but it does mean never let a crisis go to waste. There was no reason to do that. Congress was open that afternoon.  

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3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, they did invoke the emergency clause  to certify it. That did happen.  Doesn’t mean they planned it , but it does mean never let a crisis go to waste. There was no reason to do that. Congress was open that afternoon.  

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

. Is that correct? 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

 

Why not just answer my questions directly? Do you believe the result of the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent, yes or no? Do you believe the FBI engineered the Jan 6 riot to make Donald Trump look bad, yes or no? 
 

These are pretty basic questions. If they represent your true beliefs, come out with it. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you believe the result of the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent,

I think there's a damn good chance 

The video and surveillance evidence is waaaay too much to ignore. Georgia, there is no way Biden won GA, not a chance.

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29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why not just answer my questions directly? Do you believe the result of the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent, yes or no? Do you believe the FBI engineered the Jan 6 riot to make Donald Trump look bad, yes or no? 
 

These are pretty basic questions. If they represent your true beliefs, come out with it. 

 

There was major interference by our government in the 2020 election which should void the election.  It is violations of every core principle of fair electiins to have the federal government telling social media and big tech to censor any stories let alone stories which were 100 percent truthful, deplatforming important voices, and shawdow banning certain narratives.  You love censorship, so you love that Trump supporters get censored and stories which show gross corruption by Biden gets suppressed.   The public was manipulated through collusion between our government and Big Tech to get Biden elected.  It has the same effect as allowing the government and Big Tech to illegally contribute billions of dollars to one side.  

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50 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

There was major interference by our government in the 2020 election which should void the election.  It is violations of every core principle of fair electiins to have the federal government telling social media and big tech to censor any stories let alone stories which were 100 percent truthful, deplatforming important voices, and shawdow banning certain narratives.  You love censorship, so you love that Trump supporters get censored and stories which show gross corruption by Biden gets suppressed.   The public was manipulated through collusion between our government and Big Tech to get Biden elected.  It has the same effect as allowing the government and Big Tech to illegally contribute billions of dollars to one side.  

Thank you. I take it you’re referring to the Hunter Biden laptop story, and the accusation, which you believe, that the FBI put pressure on social media not to report this story. Also, since you believe this should void the election, you are obviously making the assumption that if the public knew the truth about Hunter Biden’s laptop, it would have changed the result of the election, and Trump would have won, is that correct? 

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1 hour ago, League Champion said:

I think there's a damn good chance 

The video and surveillance evidence is waaaay too much to ignore. Georgia, there is no way Biden won GA, not a chance.

What video and surveillance evidence are you specifically referring to? And what makes you believe Biden didn’t win Georgia? 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you. I take it you’re referring to the Hunter Biden laptop story, and the accusation, which you believe, that the FBI put pressure on social media not to report this story. Also, since you believe this should void the election, you are obviously making the assumption that if the public knew the truth about Hunter Biden’s laptop, it would have changed the result of the election, and Trump would have won, is that correct? 

It goes a lot deeper than just the Biden laptop story.  Thousands of Americans were Censured by Big Tech as a result of direction from the federal government.   The New York Post was banned off of several platforms the last month going into the election as was the White House press secretary and thousands of other voices.  At a key point in the election, coverage was grossly skewed to favor Biden in a lot more ways than just the laptop story.  And I even believe the government influence goes much deeper than even what was exposed by the Twitter files.  But just the Hunter story was enough to flip the election.   It is beyond disturbing how deep in bed Big Tech and the mainstream media are with forces inside the federal government.   Our country is not what it appears.  Our internet is not open and independant and neither is our media. 

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Scott MacFarlane reports:

Feds to seek 13 months prison in Jan 6 case of Joseph Pavlik, arguing he prepared for violence, with a tactical vest, helmet, goggles, a gas mask & a can of chemical spray.
 

He led members of the Guardians of Freedom.. an organization loosely affiliated with the Three Percenters.

Pavlov Statement of Facts

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16 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Scott MacFarlane reports:

Feds to seek 13 months prison in Jan 6 case of Joseph Pavlik, arguing he prepared for violence, with a tactical vest, helmet, goggles, a gas mask & a can of chemical spray.
 

He led members of the Guardians of Freedom.. an organization loosely affiliated with the Three Percenters.

Pavlov Statement of Facts

So preparing and protecting yourself from police violence is a crime you should be put in jail for.  In Denver they awarded 300 protesters who confronted police a and got arrested $4.7 million dollars.  It pays to be on the leftist side of the political isle.  It is the difference between getting g $100k or getting jail time.   Keep up the good work,  bootlicker king.  

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40 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It goes a lot deeper than just the Biden laptop story.  Thousands of Americans were Censured by Big Tech as a result of direction from the federal government.   The New York Post was banned off of several platforms the last month going into the election as was the White House press secretary and thousands of other voices.  At a key point in the election, coverage was grossly skewed to favor Biden in a lot more ways than just the laptop story.  And I even believe the government influence goes much deeper than even what was exposed by the Twitter files.  But just the Hunter story was enough to flip the election.   It is beyond disturbing how deep in bed Big Tech and the mainstream media are with forces inside the federal government.   Our country is not what it appears.  Our internet is not open and independant and neither is our media. 

So the federal government, under President Trump and filled with officials appointed by President Trump (including the heads of the Justice Department and FBI) conspired with social media in order to defeat President Trump, even beyond the Hunter Biden laptop story (which was, in fact, dutifully reported by CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times) but that story by itself, had it been reported in even more places, would have flipped the election (despite the fact that 90% or more of the voting public never care about the family members of politicians.) 

Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. 

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

So the federal government, under President Trump and filled with officials appointed by President Trump (including the heads of the Justice Department and FBI) conspired with social media in order to defeat President Trump, even beyond the Hunter Biden laptop story (which was, in fact, dutifully reported by CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times) but that story by itself, had it been reported in even more places, would have flipped the election (despite the fact that 90% or more of the voting public never care about the family members of politicians.) 

Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. 

 

Lol, 'dutifully' reported????  Are you f-ing kidding????  Here is how it was "dutifully' reported by the propaganda government media:

Politico: “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say.”

CNN: “The anatomy of the New York Post’s dubious Hunter Biden story.”

Washington Post: “The truth behind the Hunter Biden non-scandal”

New York Times: “Trump Had One Last Story to Sell. The Wall Street Journal Wouldn’t Buy It: Inside the White House’s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election — and the return of the media gatekeepers.”  

And then there was the exchange between President Trump and CBS’s Lesley Stahl shortly before a contentious “60 Minutes” interview regarding the anchor’s refusal to broach the Hunter Biden story. “This is the most important issue in the country right now?” Stahl asked Trump when he broached the topic. 

“It’s a very important issue to find out whether a man’s corrupt who’s running for president, who’s accepted money from China, and Ukraine, and from Russia,” Trump replied. “Take a look at what’s going on, Leslie, and you say that shouldn’t be discussed? I think it’s one of the biggest scandals I’ve ever seen, and you don’t cover it.”

“Well, because it can’t be verified,” Stahl shot back. “I’m telling you —”

“Of course it can be verified,” Trump retorted. “Excuse me, Leslie, they found a laptop —”

“It can’t be verified,” Stahl repeated.

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Of course you approve of the coverage which consisted of every part of mainstream lying to the American public and covering up the treasonous behavior of the Biden family, which entanglement with Ukraine is now putting us on the brink of WWIII.  Coverage only Goebbels would be proud of.   It is very ironic that you described thst coverage as dutifully.  

As far as Trump controlling the executive branch, the branch consists of more than 4 million career employees.  The people who rise to the top are the people who are passionate about growing the power of the agency.  Many push their power way past the point of their legal duties and expand it where they are the one writing regulations which grossly exceed what the laws passed in Congress were.   Trump appointing a person who is overseeing an organization of an average of over 300,000 people who they have very little idea what is going on does not give the president control.

Unless an appointment comes in and cleans house within an agency, they are just a figure head.   It is the high level career employees who run the organization.  

 

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[Fnord 2,264]

Burning down a restaurant is bad. Seems like they got off light, but we're missing some details. Assaulting police officers while unlawfully attempting to trespass on federal property for the purposes of disrupting the official transfer of power in a democracy is worse. Somehow there are people that still don't get this.

Two-tiered justice system. Nope. Just a difference in the level of crimes being committed. 

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Burning down a restaurant is bad. Seems like they got off light, but we're missing some details. Assaulting police officers while unlawfully attempting to trespass on federal property for the purposes of disrupting the official transfer of power in a democracy is worse. Somehow there are people that still don't get this.

Two-tiered justice system. Nope. Just a difference in the level of crimes being committed. 

Has anyone that assaulted a police officer on Jan 6 been given a light sentence? 

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A really cool moment this weekend:

Video in Link

Capitol Police Officer Michael Fanone presenting Forrest Rogers with the handcuffs used to arrest #TaserPrick Danny Rodriguez (the Trump enthusiast who drove a stun gun into Officer Fanone’s neck on Jan. 6 because he believed Trump’s lies about the 2020 election).

Forrest Rogers was the internet sleuth responsible for identifying Rodriguez.

Danny Rodriguez, ass hole that he is, yelled “Trump won!” shortly after he was sentenced to 12.5 years in federal prison.

NBC Article:

Jan. 6 rioter who electroshocked Michael Fanone shouts 'Trump won' after he's sentenced to 12½ years

Daniel "D.J." Rodriguez, who was wearing a MAGA hat when he drove a stun gun into the officer's neck at the Capitol, was arrested after the online Sedition Hunters community helped identify him.

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41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Has anyone that assaulted a police officer on Jan 6 been given a light sentence? 

In my opinion, yes.

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3 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

In my opinion, yes.

Which one? 

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52 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Which one? 

Well, I supposed it could be proven that my opinion is wrong… Like, I seem to remember some J6er’s that assaulted cops got off with home confinement and probation, or maybe a time served plus home confinement, something like that I would consider a light sentence. I’ll try to find specific examples…

Its just that there were so many assaults of officers on J6, you know some got off easier than others.

From the DOJ: Approximately 418 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 117 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.

The example above with Danny Rodriguez seems about right. Tazer a cop in the neck… in the course of delaying the electoral certification… and implicitly participating in preventing the peaceful transition of power…get 12 years….

There is probably an argument that he got off easy.

But I understand you have some expertise here since you were a police officer. Can I ask you if you, or any of the officers you served with were ever assaulted? Like, if you got called on a domestic violence call, or you busted up a meth lab, has a fight ever broke out? What sentence did those defendants get?

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8 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Well, I supposed it could be proven that my opinion is wrong… Like, I seem to remember some J6er’s that assaulted cops got off with home confinement and probation, or maybe a time served plus home confinement, something like that I would consider a light sentence. I’ll try to find specific examples…

Its just that there were so many assaults of officers on J6, you know some got off easier than others.

From the DOJ: Approximately 418 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 117 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.

The example above with Danny Rodriguez seems about right. Tazer a cop in the neck… in the course of delaying the electoral certification… and implicitly participating in preventing the peaceful transition of power…get 12 years….

There is probably an argument the he got off easy.

But I understand you have some expertise here since you were a police officer. Can I ask you if you, or any of the officers you served with were ever assaulted? Like, if you got called on a domestic violence call, or you busted up a meth lab, has a fight ever broke out? What sentence did those defendants get?

Yes.  Sentence? Lol. You think people in NYC go to prison for years for assaulting a P.O. Without significant bodily injury? If you ain’t bleeding or broken you’d be lucky if that shitt gets pled down to resisting. Did you not see the riots during the summer of love?  The two lawyers that firebombed. That’s right, firebombed an NYPD van and blew it up got a year each.  You think a punch to the face would result in any time whatsoever? You people live in la la land. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  Sentence? Lol. You think people in NYC go to prison for years for assaulting a P.O. Without significant bodily injury? If you ain’t bleeding or broken you’d be lucky if that shitt gets pled down to resisting. Did you not see the riots during the summer of love?  The two lawyers that firebombed. That’s right, firebombed an NYPD van and blew it up got a year each.  You think a punch to the face would result in any time whatsoever? You people live in la la land. 

I did not know you were an NYPD cop. That's amazing. I did not see that coming... at all.

But I thought we were on the same page with the J6 defendants.

Do you think Danny Rodriguez, who tazered a cop at the Capitol and got 12 years, was sentenced appropriately?

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Has anyone that assaulted a police officer on Jan 6 been given a light sentence? 

Probably. There were a lot of assaults that day. Definitely not going to spend time looking into it for you like @Dozer FBGis. He doesn't know you well enough to realize how fruitless the endeavor is. I do.

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This guy, in my opinion, got a light sentence:

Man Gets 4 Years for Attacking Police at January 6 Capitol Riot

A Virginia man who assaulted police with a stolen baton and used a flashing strobe light to disorient officers trying to defend the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced Tuesday to more than four years in prison.

I mean, why didn’t this guy get 12 years?

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12 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

I did not know you were an NYPD cop. That's amazing. I did not see that coming... at all.

But I thought we were on the same page with the J6 defendants.

Do you think Danny Rodriguez, who tazered a cop at the Capitol and got 12 years, was sentenced appropriately?

Yes.  I also know that that sentence would not occur in most locales. Doesn’t mean thats right. So that guy can do his time. The guy I know , Tom Webster, got a much longer sentence than if he had done the same thing elsewhere. But again, that doesn’t mean he didn’t earn his time. I want the other places to sentence as harsh as these judges did. Assaulting a CP cop isn’t any worse to me than assaulting any other cop. 

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9 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

This guy, in my opinion, got a light sentence:

Man Gets 4 Years for Attacking Police at January 6 Capitol Riot

A Virginia man who assaulted police with a stolen baton and used a flashing strobe light to disorient officers trying to defend the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced Tuesday to more than four years in prison.

I mean, why didn’t this guy get 12 years?

I’d say the extent of the injuries played a part. I’m thinking there wasn’t much. 

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11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  I also know that that sentence would not occur in most locales. Doesn’t mean thats right. So that guy can do his time. The guy I know , Tom Webster, got a much longer sentence than if he had done the same thing elsewhere. But again, that doesn’t mean he didn’t earn his time. I want the other places to sentence as harsh as these judges did. Assaulting a CP cop isn’t any worse to me than assaulting any other cop. 

I agree.

It's interesting you know Tom Webster. "Sentenced 9/1/22 to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release, $2,060 in restitution."

Webster, Complaint and Statement of Facts

Link includes lots of pics of Webster assualting cops...

His charges:

Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon;

Civil Disorder;

Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon;

Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon;

Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon;

Disorderly Conduct Within the Capitol Grounds or Buildings;

Act of Physical Violence Within the Capitol Grounds or Buildings

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Just now, Dozer FBG said:

I agree.

It's interesting you know Tom Webster. "Sentenced 9/1/22 to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release, $2,060 in restitution."

Webster, Complaint and Statement of Facts

Link includes lots of pics of Webster assualting cops...

I’ve seen the video. It’s undeniable and unforgivable.  I don’t know what got into him, he was a very level headed guy. Now he has to pay the price and I don’t know one cop that has sympathy for him.  I do. But he has to do his time now.