Panthers WRs

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Heading into last season we all assumed DJ Moore would be the go-to WR and Robby Anderson would be the deep threat but man did it seem like the opposite. DJ Moore finished with about 20 less targets (1 fewer game) but ended up with more yards thanks to a monster 18.1 yards per reception. I'm extremely high on DJ Moore. For his current ADP around round 5 I think he could turn out to be last years Stefon Diggs. 

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I like dj Moore in dynasty, he is young and talented. However, the Panthers have an awful o-line and Sam darnold.

I am not sure what to think of him in redraft.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

The situation brings him down. I’m not buying, not this year anyway

[polecatt 485]

I think the Panthers will be a little better this season with Darnold and CMC back.

That said, I think both DJ Moore and Robbie Anderson will be in the WR2/Flex ballpark.

I just don't see there being enough firepower there for either of them to be a WR1

[AxeElf 787]

Yeah, Darnold and Robby had a little thing goin' on in NY, too...  I doubt if Moore is able to regain the lion's share of the targets.  But give me Robby in the 8th round all day.

[weepaws 3,275]

Anderson’s best season based on ff as a Jet was th season before Darnold, and his next best season was with Bridgewater as his Qb.

i would rather takenD Moore at a round and a half earlier. don’t for get about the return of the target eater Mccaffery and Rookie T Marshall. 

I think the biggest loser might be Anderson.  

[tanatastic 2,062]

I’m not hot on any panthers but gut says I’d want Robby at his adp vs Moore’s.

[Serenity Now 63]

I’m not sure much has changed since last year so I think Anderson is the value. They lost Samuel and Davis had a lot of targets, so the rookie wr and the return of cmc shouldnt result in a big change in the number of targets Anderson or Moore get. If Anderson can improve on his td per reception, he’s a massive bargain at his current adp. Moore is being drafted where he should finish if he doesn’t take a step forward in receptions.

[weepaws 3,275]

I think a lot has changed since last season, how about Mccaffery winner. 

How about worst Qb play, I think at the end of this next season losing Bridgewater and gaining Darnold will be a down grade, winner.  

Remember with Bridgewater and without Darnold and 12 games without Mccaffery, both  WRs DJ Moore And C Samuel had their best ff avg and Anderson had his second best. 

So I think a a lot has changed.  

Remember Anderson had his best season in his nfl based on he had 22 more targets then and other season, and 32 more rec, D J Moore had 21 less rec and 17 less targets then he had in 2019. 

And last season when Anderson was lighting it up in his first seven games last season, in which he avg 9.7 points per game, D J Moore was avg 10 points per game,  and then their eighth game on Anderson avg 6 points per game, and D J avg 8 points per game. 

Darnold isn’t going to give Anderson a leg up on the better player and the right pick and thats going to be D J Moore, I’ll take Moore as a wr 3 over Anderson as a wr4.  

 

[Serenity Now 63]

I don’t think Darnold is worse than Bridgewater. At worst, it’s a push. We’ve also witness qbs take big leaps when they get away from Adam Gase.

 The argument I have is that Anderson could take a step back and still be a value. He had 90 plus receptions and only 3 TDs, if his td rate improves, he’s going to be a steal. I think Moore is fine where he’s going, but I think Anderson is going at his floor, and Moore is going at an appropriate value. Anderson was used as a possession receiver for the first time last year. He has also already flourished with darnold as his qb.

[weepaws 3,275]

See that’s where I think your wrong, I don’t see a push nor do I think Darnold will be better. 

Also great point about Anderson being a possession wr for the first time, that who will lose the most with the addiction of T Marshall, and he can produce in the nfl, and of course the over all number one ff pick Mccaffery. 

I think D J has more room to improve, not stay even, I think he can produce more rec and more yards and has a more over all talent then Anderson. 

Anderson will be the one losing the most. 

And I agree Anderson can take a step back , but D J won’t. , he’ll have his best ff season.  

Also whe did Anderson flourish with Darnold as his Qb? Anderson best ff season as a Jet was the seasons before Darnold became a Jet, and Anderson second best ff season was last year with Bridgewater water. 

Plus with the Jets in 2018 and 2019 they didn’t have even close to the amount of offense talent that these Panthers have. 

In 2018 with Darnold as his Qb Anderson was a mid wr 3 in ff based on avg, in 2019 he was a high wr4 based on avg , those numbers don’t show someone flourishing. 

 

[Serenity Now 63]

Bridgewater is currently behind Lock. I think Darnold would start ahead of both if he was in Denver.

Flourish was probably the wrong word, but I stand behind Anderson being the better value. He’s currently being drafted as a low wr3, where even in an average year for him, he’d pay off. Davis and Samuel have vacated nearly 140 receptions. Add in the nearly 20 cmc had before his injury, and that’s roughly 160 to go between cmc and Marshall before you even dip into Anderson’s share. You’d need Marshall to be around 50 receptions (only 7 rookies reached) before Anderson’s share is being taken. And even if his share does go down, an 80 reception wr is worth a late wr3 price.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

5 hours ago, Serenity Now said:

I’m not sure much has changed since last year so I think Anderson is the value. They lost Samuel and Davis had a lot of targets, so the rookie wr and the return of cmc shouldnt result in a big change in the number of targets Anderson or Moore get. If Anderson can improve on his td per reception, he’s a massive bargain at his current adp. Moore is being drafted where he should finish if he doesn’t take a step forward in receptions.

I wouldn't expect Marshall to come in and directly replace Curtis Samuel being that they're 2 totally different players. Samuel is more of a dual threat gadget player that can take an end around to the house. I feel like DJ Moore can do that too, while lining up all over the field. DJ has put up 2 solid seasons with inconsistent QB play. I'd be more worried of Robby considering he never had over 100 targets with Darnold in NY. 

[Serenity Now 63]

Just now, LoOnAtIk said:

I wouldn't expect Marshall to come in and directly replace Curtis Samuel being that they're 2 totally different players. Samuel is more of a dual threat gadget player that can take an end around to the house. I feel like DJ Moore can do that too, while lining up all over the field. DJ has put up 2 solid seasons with inconsistent QB play. I'd be more worried of Robby considering he never had over 100 targets with Darnold in NY. 

Robbie was used as a deep threat in that offense. That’s a role that Moore seemed to have last year in this offense and Robbie being the possession. Matt Rhule was Anderson college coach, he brought him in for a reason. Based on year one, Rhule seems to believe Anderson has greater skill set than being just a deep threat. You guys can take Moore, I think he’ll do fine, but I’ll wait for Anderson.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 minute ago, Serenity Now said:

Robbie was used as a deep threat in that offense. That’s a role that Moore seemed to have last year in this offense and Robbie being the possession. Matt Rhule was Anderson college coach, he brought him in for a reason. Based on year one, Rhule seems to believe Anderson has greater skill set than being just a deep threat. You guys can take Moore, I think he’ll do fine, but I’ll wait for Anderson.

I like Anderson for value as well. I just think last year is his ceiling. DJ Moore has the explosiveness to surpass all of his career numbers IMO. If you're playing it safe, wait for Robby but if you're swinging for the fences you can get DJ Moore as a WR2 and he carries a WR1 ceiling. 

[Serenity Now 63]

14 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

I like Anderson for value as well. I just think last year is his ceiling. DJ Moore has the explosiveness to surpass all of his career numbers IMO. If you're playing it safe, wait for Robby but if you're swinging for the fences you can get DJ Moore as a WR2 and he carries a WR1 ceiling. 

Won’t argue that Moore has a higher ceiling or that Anderson was near his ceiling last year. The only area Anderson can improve is his td percentage. It just comes down to where they are going. I prefer others over Moore in that tier, but  think Anderson is right near the top of the players at his adp. In strictly head to head, give me Moore easily. In value based drafting give me Anderson.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 minute ago, Serenity Now said:

Won’t argue that Moore has a higher ceiling or that Anderson was near his ceiling last year. The only area Anderson can improve is his td percentage. It just comes down to where they are going. I prefer others over Moore in that tier, but  think Anderson is right near the top of the players at his adp. In strictly head to head, give me Moore easily. In value based drafting give me Anderson.

I agree. I'm probably going to target both depending on where I'm drafting. Obviously won't grab Anderson if I already have Moore but you get what I mean. I see DJ Moore being drafted around names like Diontae Johnson, Kenny Golladay, injured Michael Thomas, Brandon Aiyuk and Jamarr Chase. In terms of floor and ceiling I prefer Moore over all of these guys for redraft. If he could just fall into the end zone a few more times that'd be great. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

FWIW 

Robby Anderson 12 targets inside the 20 and 4 inside the 10.

DJ Moore 9 targets inside the 20. 6 inside the 10.

[weepaws 3,275]

What I see right now, is Anderson is pretty much being draft as a wr 3:10 and his avg points per game which is pretty much on par with his career so far, last season he was based on avg a wr 3:1. 

D J has been a wr 2:4 last two season based on avg, and 2019 Mccaffery was dominating the ff world 

He’s currently being drafted as a wr 2:10 which is about par for him, I’ll take Moore, he has a much better chance of being more productive which means score more ff points. I like more ff points. 

[Serenity Now 63]

11 hours ago, weepaws said:

What I see right now, is Anderson is pretty much being draft as a wr 3:10 and his avg points per game which is pretty much on par with his career so far, last season he was based on avg a wr 3:1. 

D J has been a wr 2:4 last two season based on avg, and 2019 Mccaffery was dominating the ff world 

He’s currently being drafted as a wr 2:10 which is about par for him, I’ll take Moore, he has a much better chance of being more productive which means score more ff points. I like more ff points. 

It’s not a debate about who’s going to score more points. It’s about value.

Drafting Moore means passing on productive rbs. Anderson doesn’t come with that same opportunity cost.

[weepaws 3,275]

No when I draft a starter I want to draft the one that’s going to score more me points. 

Value in this case sits on my bench. 

Right now I’m seeing Moore go late 5th and early 6th round. 

And so by then 14 team non ppr I should have addressed my rb needs with three winners, and then Moore as my wr2 with low wr1 upside , heck I can even draft Anderson three rounds later for that bench value. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,060]

18 hours ago, weepaws said:

I think a lot has changed since last season, how about Mccaffery winner. 

How about worst Qb play, I think at the end of this next season losing Bridgewater and gaining Darnold will be a down grade, winner.  

Remember with Bridgewater and without Darnold and 12 games without Mccaffery, both  WRs DJ Moore And C Samuel had their best ff avg and Anderson had his second best. 

So I think a a lot has changed.  

Remember Anderson had his best season in his nfl based on he had 22 more targets then and other season, and 32 more rec, D J Moore had 21 less rec and 17 less targets then he had in 2019. 

And last season when Anderson was lighting it up in his first seven games last season, in which he avg 9.7 points per game, D J Moore was avg 10 points per game,  and then their eighth game on Anderson avg 6 points per game, and D J avg 8 points per game. 

Darnold isn’t going to give Anderson a leg up on the better player and the right pick and thats going to be D J Moore, I’ll take Moore as a wr 3 over Anderson as a wr4.  

 

You act like Bridgewater is good. He’s not. Darnold may not be a lot better either, but there’s a chance.

Anyway, I also prefer Moore and he’s the only one I’d even bother drafting 

[Serenity Now 63]

46 minutes ago, weepaws said:

No when I draft a starter I want to draft the one that’s going to score more me points. 

Value in this case sits on my bench. 

Right now I’m seeing Moore go late 5th and early 6th round. 

And so by then 14 team non ppr I should have addressed my rb needs with three winners, and then Moore as my wr2 with low wr1 upside , heck I can even draft Anderson three rounds later for that bench value. 

 

If you can get Moore there then do it. I see him going a round earlier in most drafts.usually the 4/5 turn area.

[DocNiner 71]

Moore will outscore Anderson this year plain and simple. Even if he goes a round or more earlier I'd still take Moore. Focus is gonna be on CMC and he'll get his but Moore will get his as well.

[AxeElf 787]

29 minutes ago, DocNiner said:

Moore will outscore Anderson this year plain and simple. Even if he goes a round or more earlier I'd still take Moore. 

It didn't work out that way last year in PPR...  Though Moore had 100 more receiving yards, and 1 more receiving TD than Anderson, Anderson had almost 30 more receptions than Moore.

What's changed?

Well, the Panthers drafted a new speedy receiver that will compete with Moore, not Anderson, for targets...

And oh yeah, the Panthers have a new QB who used to work so well with Anderson, that the Panthers wanted them both...

Anderson is the one that you want--both in terms of draft value, and probably in terms of overall PPR scoring, as well.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

14 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

It didn't work out that way last year in PPR...  Though Moore had 100 more receiving yards, and 1 more receiving TD than Anderson, Anderson had almost 30 more receptions than Moore.

What's changed?

Well, the Panthers drafted a new speedy receiver that will compete with Moore, not Anderson, for targets...

And oh yeah, the Panthers have a new QB who used to work so well with Anderson, that the Panthers wanted them both...

Anderson is the one that you want--both in terms of draft value, and probably in terms of overall PPR scoring, as well.

Undrafted, looks silly, only ever had one 1,000 yard season, doesn’t score TDs. I’m taking the guy with bonafides all day

[weepaws 3,275]

No I’m not acting like Bridgewater is good, I’m acting like Darnold hasn’t showed me that he is. 

And like I said Anderson had is second best ff season , and DJ and Samuel their best with Bridgewater, but again let’s not forget , the overall first round pick this next season Mccaffery only played in three games,, now that’s what I’m acting like. 

Wrong, Marshall wasn’t drafted to complete with more, he was drafted to replace C Samuel. 

Anderson is a wr3-4 that’s what he as been, even back in 2018 and 2019 with Darnold as his Qb , and when Anderson was option number one back then, now not so much. 

Thanks. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

5 hours ago, AxeElf said:

It didn't work out that way last year in PPR...  Though Moore had 100 more receiving yards, and 1 more receiving TD than Anderson, Anderson had almost 30 more receptions than Moore.

What's changed?

Well, the Panthers drafted a new speedy receiver that will compete with Moore, not Anderson, for targets...

And oh yeah, the Panthers have a new QB who used to work so well with Anderson, that the Panthers wanted them both...

Anderson is the one that you want--both in terms of draft value, and probably in terms of overall PPR scoring, as well.

On what planet did Darnold and Anderson "work so well" together in NY?

Everyone keeps saying that but I only see a WR with less than 100 targets and 800 yards each season. Familiarity is one thing but success? Am I missing something?

[AxeElf 787]

4 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

On what planet did Darnold and Anderson "work so well" together in NY?

Earth.  (New York is on the planet Earth.)

4 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Everyone keeps saying that but I only see a WR with less than 100 targets and 800 yards each season. Familiarity is one thing but success? Am I missing something?

Success is relative; it was the Jets.  Robby Anderson was Darnold's leading receiver in 2018 and 2019--but being the Jets leading receiver was only good for about WR40 in fantasy, because the Jets sucked in general.

So hopefully, the better offense of the Panthers around them will amplify their previous familiarity, and keep Robby in that WR20 range where he finished last season.  At least that's the idea, anyway...

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 hour ago, AxeElf said:

Earth.  (New York is on the planet Earth.)

Success is relative; it was the Jets.  Robby Anderson was Darnold's leading receiver in 2018 and 2019--but being the Jets leading receiver was only good for about WR40 in fantasy, because the Jets sucked in general.

So hopefully, the better offense of the Panthers around them will amplify their previous familiarity, and keep Robby in that WR20 range where he finished last season.  At least that's the idea, anyway...

But to say that his "success" with Darnold in NY is why he'll get more work than Moore is what I'm getting at. Familiarity is one thing but whatever it was I wouldn't call that success. Also are you sure Anderson was Darnold's leading receiver and not Jamison Crowder?

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8 hours ago, AxeElf said:

Earth.  (New York is on the planet Earth.)

Success is relative; it was the Jets.  Robby Anderson was Darnold's leading receiver in 2018 and 2019--but being the Jets leading receiver was only good for about WR40 in fantasy, because the Jets sucked in general.

So hopefully, the better offense of the Panthers around them will amplify their previous familiarity, and keep Robby in that WR20 range where he finished last season.  At least that's the idea, anyway...

So he had some limited garbage time success on a sh1t team. Excuse me for not blowing my load 

[AxeElf 787]

8 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

 Also are you sure Anderson was Darnold's leading receiver and not Jamison Crowder?

For the two year period I described, 2018-2019, Anderson was the Jets' leading receiver, yes.

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Forget about the WR's. This is what I'm talking about...

 

 

 

[AxeElf 787]

Even if you do a "Brangelina" kind of a thing, it's still "Darnold."

[LoOnAtIk 75]

9 hours ago, AxeElf said:

For the two year period I described, 2018-2019, Anderson was the Jets' leading receiver, yes.

Crowder wasn't there in 2018. Crowder had more targets, catches, and yards in his only season with Darnold so... I'd consider that observation of yours to be a bit skewed. Crowder was clearly the preferred WR in 2019.

[AxeElf 787]

2 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Crowder wasn't there in 2018. Crowder had more targets, catches, and yards in his only season with Darnold so... I'd consider that observation of yours to be a bit skewed. Crowder was clearly the preferred WR in 2019.

You don't get to cherry pick one year; we were talking about the body of work shared by Darnold and Anderson in New York--2018 and 2019.  Yes, Crowder had 54 more yards and 1 more TD than Anderson in 2019 (that "clear preference" works out to 3.375 yards and 0.0625 TDs per game), but Anderson was CLEARLY Darnold's leading receiver over the two-year period they worked together for the Jets.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

14 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

You don't get to cherry pick one year.

I don't get to cherry pick 1 year but you get to cherry pick 2? How does that work? 

 

22 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

 Anderson was CLEARLY Darnold's leading receiver over the two-year period they worked together for the Jets.

He literally wasn't. Now you're just being dense. I'll repeat myself. Jamison Crowder was Darnold's leading receiver in 2019 and he was not there in 2018. If you extrapolate his 2019 numbers (which you love to do case and point Aiyuk) into 2018 then the numbers wouldn't even be close. 

 

You're making up some BS about chemistry that they've literally never had. "Success is relative" lmao

[LoOnAtIk 75]

30 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

You don't get to cherry pick one year; we were talking about the body of work shared by Darnold and Anderson in New York--2018 and 2019.  Yes, Crowder had 54 more yards and 1 more TD than Anderson in 2019 (that "clear preference" works out to 3.375 yards and 0.0625 TDs per game), but Anderson was CLEARLY Darnold's leading receiver over the two-year period they worked together for the Jets.

To this ridiculous point you would consider Josh Allen's leading WR from 2019-2020 Cole Beasley as if nothing happened in 2020 with Stefon Diggs. Your confirmation bias is strong.

[AxeElf 787]

24 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

I don't get to cherry pick 1 year but you get to cherry pick 2? How does that work? 

Because those are the two years that Anderson and Darnold were together in New York--the two years relevant to my claim.

25 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

He literally wasn't.

"Literally" doesn't mean what you think it means, because he literally WAS Darnold's leading receiver over the two year period from 2018-2019, just as I stated.

17 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

To this ridiculous point you would consider Josh Allen's leading WR from 2019-2020 Cole Beasley as if nothing happened in 2020 with Stefon Diggs.

That is correct.  ANYONE would consider Beasley to be Allen's leading WR from 2019-2020, since that is what he was.  Stegon Diggs was Allen's leading WR in 2020 only, just as Crowder was Darnold's leading WR in 2019 only.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 hour ago, AxeElf said:

Because those are the two years that Anderson and Darnold were together in New York--the two years relevant to my claim.

"Literally" doesn't mean what you think it means, because he literally WAS Darnold's leading receiver over the two year period from 2018-2019, just as I stated.

That is correct.  ANYONE would consider Beasley to be Allen's leading WR from 2019-2020, since that is what he was.  Stegon Diggs was Allen's leading WR in 2020 only, just as Crowder was Darnold's leading WR in 2019 only.

Play semantics all you want I'm just trying to understand your point. That he was Darnold's preferred target? Thats a reach. He was Darnold's leading WR for those 2 years because he was there, but I'm not sure that validates your point. I specifically mentioned that observation to be skewed because in 2019 Jamison Crowder was Darnold's preferred WR, not Anderson.

Jamison Crowder's 2019 with Darnold was better than each of Robby Anderson's 2 seasons with Darnold. And that was after Darnold and Anderson had a year of familiarity and Crowder was new to the team. 

I know it might be a tough pill for you to swallow, but its ok to be wrong sometimes.