Stock Market bubble - will crash

[easilyscan 855]

1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Buying Treasuries doesn't enrich the US Govt.  Treasuries are debt.  We've never had a problem selling treasuries, yet.  When we do it's game over.  In order to be fiscally healthy we want to be issuing less debt, not more.

We can agree on that, & just in case anyone here wasn't aware of it.........

While the government debt is a collective responsibility, taxpayers are ultimately liable for repaying it through their taxes, as the government uses tax revenue to cover interest payments & principal on the debt. When the margin call hits, we'll be the equivalent of Randolph & Mortimer Duke

https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME10WXNK

 

 

[easilyscan 855]

Will be interesting to see if the SEC looks into the source of this rumor.

 

The 7-minute $2.5 trillion stock rally confounds wary investors

 

Carmen Reinicke
Updated Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 6:08 PM 4 min read

(Bloomberg) — The rumors only lasted about seven minutes. By then, stock investors realized it was not true that President Donald Trump was pausing tariffs for 90 days and, accordingly, stopped frantically bidding stocks higher.

And yet, they didn’t go back to selling stocks at the same unbridled pace they had earlier in the session or late last week. Benchmark US indexes seesawed between gains and losses throughout the rest of Monday, with a sort of paralysis kicking in.

 

Imagine how much money was/could have been made if certain entities knew when the rumor would hit the exchange.

 

 

[shadrap 220]

Kills me with this doomsday Trump talk.  Tariffs been in place 5 days.   5 days.  On another front Trump team is finding fraud & abuse of OUR money in the trillions & it's "I don't like who is finding it".

whatever.  do your Trump Hate.  Doomsday!!!!!!!!!!!!!   NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lickin_starfish 1,889]

I didn't get the Orange Monday that I was promised.

[Horseman 2,353]

After all the hyperventilating by the Panicans IXIC ended green with the big boy tech stocks up 2% 

[lickin_starfish 1,889]

Tangerine Tuesday! Thanks Trump!

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Up 1200 points this morning but it’s almost completely based on the belief that Trump is either going to reverse the tariffs or announce new deals with important trading partners that will effectively nullify them. If neither of those happen expect the market to crater again. 

[CaptainObvious1 322]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Up 1200 points this morning but it’s almost completely based on the belief that Trump is either going to reverse the tariffs or announce new deals with important trading partners that will effectively nullify them. If neither of those happen expect the market to crater again. 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[The Psychic Observer 495]

46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Up 1200 points this morning but it’s almost completely based on the belief that Trump is either going to reverse the tariffs or announce new deals with important trading partners that will effectively nullify them. If neither of those happen expect the market to crater again. 

Correct.

The market is pricing in China dropping their reciprocal tariff.  If they don't we raise our tariff to 100% as Trump indicates, we will see another 5% down tomorrow.

[Horseman 2,353]

Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Horseman 2,353]

14 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Correct.

The market is pricing in China dropping their reciprocal tariff.  If they don't we raise our tariff to 100% as Trump indicates, we will see another 5% down tomorrow.

**PSYCHIC INVESTING TRACKER***

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Wrong yesterday, wrong today.  Tomorrow TBD.

On second thought maybe you shouldn't start a firm and write a book.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,690]

When will these loony libs realize that Father Trump is smarter than them?  They will never defeat him.  

[thegeneral 2,880]

The ol dead cat bounce unless something is actually settled.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

graph go up

graph go down

graph go up

its all a game 

quit focking whining

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

its all a game 

 

No it really isn’t. 6 trillion dollars were lost on Thursday, Friday and Monday. That’s real money that belonged to regular people, their retirement funds. It was lost unnecessarily because of the asinine decisions of one man that almost  everyone, including most of his closest advisors, tried to talk him out of. It wasn’t inevitable. 
 

Now this morning the market is up 600 points based on the hope that Trump reverses himself. But even if that happens the 6 trillion is probably not coming back. That’s lost, the initial damage is done. This is no game. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No it really isn’t. 6 trillion dollars were lost on Thursday, Friday and Monday. That’s real money that belonged to regular people, their retirement funds. It was lost unnecessarily because of the asinine decisions of one man that almost  everyone, including most of his closest advisors, tried to talk him out of. It wasn’t inevitable. 
 

Now this morning the market is up 600 points based on the hope that Trump reverses himself. But even if that happens the 6 trillion is probably not coming back. That’s lost, the initial damage is done. This is no game. 

no the graph go up because countries are now negotiating

the money isnt "lost" its unclaimed money, the minute the market hits 43 again its all balanced

or is that the liberal way of thinking?  when graph go down all money is lost forever, when graph go up no money is gained

and yes its all a game for the rich

93% owned by top 10%, I remember when that was bad as liberals during occupy WS which I supported

[thegeneral 2,880]

Much of the gains have evaporated. Until dumbo claims “victory” we are hanging out down here. Long term damage to our name and our brands because of this dope.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no the graph go up because countries are now negotiating

the money isnt "lost" its unclaimed money, the minute the market hits 43 again its all balanced

or is that the liberal way of thinking?  when graph go down all money is lost forever, when graph go up no money is gained

 

What I’m saying is that it’s going to take a very long time for it to go back up to the level it was before last Wednesday. And maybe it won’t for the forseeable future. If anything it’s likely to go down more. 

I certainly hope these “deals” come to fruition. But keep in mind even if they do they’re simply a face saving mechanism which would allow Trump to reverse himself. Most of these nations aren’t offering anything that they didn’t already give us. For example Israel had no tariffs on us, and Vietnam offered to remove all tariffs long before last week (see the Trans Pacific Partnership- we could have had a tariff free zone in the Pacific Rim that would have threatened China- Trump killed it during his first term- called it the worst deal ever. Nothing he negotiated now with Vietnam, Japan or South Korea will be as good as that deal would have been.) 

[CaptainObvious1 322]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I’m saying is that it’s going to take a very long time for it to go back up to the level it was before last Wednesday. And maybe it won’t for the forseeable future. If anything it’s likely to go down more. 

I certainly hope these “deals” come to fruition. But keep in mind even if they do they’re simply a face saving mechanism which would allow Trump to reverse himself. Most of these nations aren’t offering anything that they didn’t already give us. For example Israel had no tariffs on us, and Vietnam offered to remove all tariffs long before last week (see the Trans Pacific Partnership- we could have had a tariff free zone in the Pacific Rim that would have threatened China- Trump killed it during his first term- called it the worst deal ever. Nothing he negotiated now with Vietnam, Japan or South Korea will be as good as that deal would have been.) 

You have no idea what you're talking about.  You just post your fears as if they are fact and think everyone will believe you.  But you're a confirmed liar.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

1 minute ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

You have no idea what you're talking about.  You just post your fears as if they are fact and think everyone will believe you.  But you're a confirmed liar.

he never cared when graph go down when biden was president

[Gepetto 1,285]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I’m saying is that it’s going to take a very long time for it to go back up to the level it was before last Wednesday. And maybe it won’t for the forseeable future. If anything it’s likely to go down more. 

I certainly hope these “deals” come to fruition. But keep in mind even if they do they’re simply a face saving mechanism which would allow Trump to reverse himself. Most of these nations aren’t offering anything that they didn’t already give us. For example Israel had no tariffs on us, and Vietnam offered to remove all tariffs long before last week (see the Trans Pacific Partnership- we could have had a tariff free zone in the Pacific Rim that would have threatened China- Trump killed it during his first term- called it the worst deal ever. Nothing he negotiated now with Vietnam, Japan or South Korea will be as good as that deal would have been.) 

Trump put tariffs on China his first term. It didn’t work because China funneled its products through other countries. Trump now put tariffs on all countries. He doesn’t want to reduce Vietnam tariff only to have Vhina sell to Vietnam to sell to the US.

[thegeneral 2,880]

Into the red we go

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Wow, the gain has completely disappeared. I was not expecting this. 

[The Psychic Observer 495]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Much of the gains have evaporated. Until dumbo claims “victory” we are hanging out down here. Long term damage to our name and our brands because of this dope.

The only gains to be had will be based on dumbo caving or rumors of him caving, or congress standing up to him.  If he stays with the tariffs the US is toast.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Wow, the gain has completely disappeared. I was not expecting this. 

You’re in your what 40-s? 50s?  You’ve never seen market manipulation or adjustments in the same day??? It happens all the time 

[Beaker15 233]

22 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The only gains to be had will be based on dumbo caving or rumors of him caving, or congress standing up to him.  If he stays with the tariffs the US is toast.

You fail to mention other countries caving......I wonder why that is?

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

You’re in your what 40-s? 50s?  You’ve never seen market manipulation or adjustments in the same day??? It happens all the time 

What I’ve never seen, and what I believe the world has never seen, is the market reacting to the actions of one man so directly. This is a completely unnecessary disaster. 
 

As of midnight tonight President Trump is imposing 104% tariffs on China. Nobody has made him do this. It’s not close to reciprocal. It’s completely arbitrary. I have no idea how the market will react tomorrow. I don’t imagine well, do you? 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

3 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

You fail to mention other countries caving......I wonder why that is?

Because there are no specific demands. 

[The Psychic Observer 495]

16 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

You fail to mention other countries caving......I wonder why that is?

What do you mean "other countries caving"?

My understanding is that Trump wants equal trade before he will remove a tariff.  Has that happened?

[Beaker15 233]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

What do you mean "other countries caving"?

My understanding is that Trump wants equal trade before he will remove a tariff.  Has that happened?

He set the tariffs high to negotiate. Acting like the only deal is Trump caving is ignorant.

[The Psychic Observer 495]

1 minute ago, Beaker15 said:

He set the tariffs high to negotiate. Acting like the only deal is Trump caving is ignorant.

Well this is unclear.  He has said the tariffs are not up for negotiation.  He has also said countries want to negotiate.  His cabinet has given similar mixed messages.  We really don't know what he wants or what he will do.

[The Psychic Observer 495]

China did not back down.  Market is now tanking.

[Beaker15 233]

4 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Well this is unclear.  He has said the tariffs are not up for negotiation.  He has also said countries want to negotiate.  His cabinet has given similar mixed messages.  We really don't know what he wants or what he will do.

Then perhaps don't say the only way the market rebounds is if Trump caves

[The Psychic Observer 495]

1 minute ago, Beaker15 said:

Then perhaps don't say the only way the market rebounds is if Trump caves

IMO, the only way the market rebounds is if Trump lifts the tariffs.  I call that caving.  I don't see any other way around it.  I'm sorry that bothers you.

[easilyscan 855]

Did a little 2025 tax planning today. Decided to realize my losses & sell Honeywell & Paypal, then sold enough O & JNJ to realize gains that matched the loss amount.

If Honeywell & Paypal are still trading near today's levels a month from now, I may initiate a new position as I still like them long-term. Honeywell still plans to spin off its Advanced Materials business into an independent publicly traded company by the end of 2025 or early 2026. 

Also did a little more nibbling near the close. 20 Shares of GOOG @ $146.19 & 20 Shares of CROX @ Market $89.70

It could be a trap, but CROX is now selling at 5 x trailing 12 months EPS. 

Anyone else do anything besides argue 

[Beaker15 233]

47 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

IMO, the only way the market rebounds is if Trump lifts the tariffs.  I call that caving.  I don't see any other way around it.  I'm sorry that bothers you.

If both Trump and other countries lift their tariffs that would be a win.

[Gepetto 1,285]

Hasbro is going to have to move all toy production that's in China to Vietnam or they will be making significantly less profit, or they can try passing the cost to consumers but they're going to lose the majority of purchasers so then they would be better off getting out of the toy business. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

11 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

If both Trump and other countries lift their tariffs that would be a win.

Agreed. At least you understand that tariffs are not a good thing in themselves. You’re a step ahead of the President. 

[Horseman 2,353]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

You’re in your what 40-s? 50s?  You’ve never seen market manipulation or adjustments in the same day??? It happens all the time 

Most of the idiots in here posting recently should set it and forget it. They obviously can't handle volatility.   

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I’ve never seen, and what I believe the world has never seen, is the market reacting to the actions of one man so directly. This is a completely unnecessary disaster. 
 

As of midnight tonight President Trump is imposing 104% tariffs on China. Nobody has made him do this. It’s not close to reciprocal. It’s completely arbitrary. I have no idea how the market will react tomorrow. I don’t imagine well, do you? 

good, China has been focking us and more importantly American companies have been focking americans for our entire life