***80s Hair Rock Song Draft***

[TommyGavin 790]

3 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

Someone must of edited because I checked and double checked and still do not see it. I see Steeler then Steelheart then Stryker. 

https://imgur.com/a/N3pwmaV
 

see for yourself 

[TommyGavin 790]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I was scrolling through the wiki list closer for ideas for Tommy's extra round for artists not taken (if we do that). Steel Panther isn't listed under "S' but if you keep going to "Z" and keep going beyond it, there's a section for Glam Metal Revival Bands. 

See for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glam_metal_bands_and_artists

Steel Panther is listed there clearly by name.

But that’s a different list altogether. When you to Z our list was over. 
 

Sounds like I have it out for Sux or Steel Panther and I really don’t. Just was playing by the rules. 

[Voltaire 5,534]

1 hour ago, TommyGavin said:

But that’s a different list altogether. When you to Z our list was over. 
 

Sounds like I have it out for Sux or Steel Panther and I really don’t. Just was playing by the rules. 

I think  I see the confusion. You didn't realize that there were two lists, not one, and that the name could appear on either.

Also, I don't think you had it out for Sux and from what he's posted, it looks like he sees it that way too.

[Voltaire 5,534]

1.1: Voltaire --- Guns 'N Roses - "Welcome to the Jungle"  - 1987

2.7: Voltaire --- Bon Jovi - "Livin' on a Prayer" - 1986 

3.1: Voltaire --- Def Leppard - "Photograph" - 1983 

4.7: Voltaire --- Scorpions - "Rock You Like a Hurricane" - 1984

5.1: Voltaire --- Ozzy Osbourne - "Crazy Train" - 1980 

6.7: Voltaire --- Queensryche - "Silent Lucidity" - Wildcard (1990)

7.1: Voltaire --- Poison - "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" - 1988 

8.7: Voltaire --- Motley Crue - "Dr. Feelgood" - 1989

9.1: Voltaire --- Guns 'N Roses - "Paradise City" - Wildcard (1987) 

10.7 Voltaire -- Def Leppard - “Pour Some Sugar on Me” - Wildcard (1987)

11.1 Voltaire -- Skid Row - “18 & Life” - Wildcard (1989)

12.7 Voltaire -- Bon Jovi - "Wanted Dead or Alive" - Wildcard (1986)

13.1 Voltaire -- Ozzy Osbourne - "Paranoid" - 1982

14.7 Voltaire -- Van Halen - "Unchained" - 1981

15.1 Voltaire -- Van Halen - "Jump" - Wildcard (1984)

16.7 Voltaire -- Heart - "These Dreams" - 1985

 

1.2: Herbivore --- Whitesnake - "Here I Go Again" - 1987

2.6: Herbivore --- RATT - "Round and Round" -1984

3.2: Herbivore --- Quiet Riot - "Cum On Feel the Noize" - 1983

4.6: Herbivore --- Faster Pussycat - "House of Pain" - 1989

5.2: Herbivore --- Motley Crue - "Home Sweet Home" -1985

6.6: Herbivore --- Kiss - "I Love it Loud" - 1982

7.2: Herbivore --- Guns 'N Roses - " Patience" - 1988 

8.6 Herbivore --- Poison - "Talk Dirty to Me" - 1986

9.2 Herbivore --- Motley Crue - "Girls, Girls, Girls" - Wildcard (1987)

10.6 Herbivore -- Ozzy Osbourne - "Flying High Again" - 1981

11.2 Herbivore -- Ozzy Osbourne - "I Don't Know" - 1980

12.6 Herbivore -- W.A.S.P. - "Animal (I Fuck Like a Beast)" - Wildcard (1984)

13.2 Herbivore -- Y&T - "Summertime Girls" - Wildcard (1985)

14.6 Herbivore -- Ratt - "Back for More" - Wildcard (1984) 

15.2 Herbivore -- Twisted Sister - "You Can't Stop Rock n Roll" - Wildcard (1983)

16.6 Herbivore -- Loudness - "Never Change Your Mind" - Wildcard (1985)

 

1.3: BeenHereBefore --- Twisted Sister - "We're Not Gonna To Take It" -  1984

2.5: BeenHereBefore --- Europe - "The Final Countdown" - 1986 

3.3: BeenHereBefore --- Van Halen - "Everybody Wants Some" - 1980

4.5: BeenHereBefore --- Van Halen - "Mean Street" - 1981

5.3: BeenHereBefore --- Sammy Hagar - "Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy" - 1982

6.5: BeenHereBefore --- Def Leppard - "Rock of Ages" - 1983

7.3: BeenHereBefore --- Guns 'N Roses - "Sweet Child O' Mine" - 1987

8.5: BeenHereBefore --- Scorpions - "Winds of Change" - Wildcard (1990)

9.3: BeenHereBefore --- Dokken - "In My Dreams" - 1985

10.5 BeenHereBefore -- Guns 'N Roses - "November Rain“ - Wildcard (1991)

11.3 BeenHereBefore -- Poison - "Nothin' But A Good Time" -1988

12.5 BeenHereBefore -- Skid Row - "I'll Remember You" - 1989

13.3 BeenHereBefore -- Autograph - "Turn Up The Radio" - Wildcard (1984)

14.5 BeenHereBefore -- Bon Jovi- "You Give Love A Bad Name" - Wildcard (1986)

15.3 BeenHereBefore -- Poison - "Rock And Roll All Nite" - Wildcard (1987)

16.5 BeenHereBefore -- Cinderella - "Don't Know What You Got ('Til It's Gone)" - Wildcard (1988)

 

1.4: bostonlager --- Motley Crue - "Live Wire" - 1981

2.4: bostonlager --- Van Halen - "And the Cradle Will Rock" - 1980

3.4: bostonlager --- Skid Row - "Youth Gone Wild" - 1989

4.4: bostonlager --- Motley Crue - "Looks That Kill" - 1983

5.4: bostonlager --- Cinderella - "Nobody's Fool" - 1986

6.4: bostonlager --- Whitesnake - "Fool For Your Loving" - Wildcard (1980) 

7.4: bostonlager --- RATT - "Lay it Down" - 1985

8.4: bostonlager --- Great White - "Rock Me" - 1987

9.4: bostonlager --- KIX - "Cold Blood" - 1988

10.4 bostonlager -- Dokken - "Into the Fire" - 1984

11.4 bostonlager -- Skid Row - "Quicksand Jesus" - Wildcard (1991)

12.4 bostonlager -- Sammy Hagar - "Heavy Metal" - 1982

13.4 bostonlager -- Def Leppard - "High 'n' Dry (Saturday Night)" - Wildcard (1981)

14.4 bostonlager -- Gun 'N Roses - "Rocket Queen" - Wildcard (1987)

15.4 bostonlager -- Damn Yankees - "Come Again" -Wildcard (1990)

16.4 bostonlager -- W.A.S.P. - "Wild Child" - (Wildcard) (1985)

 

1.5: SUXBNME --- Motley Crue - "Shout at the Devil" - 1983

2.3: SUXBNME --- Dokken - "Breaking the Chains" - 1981

3.5: SUXBNME --- White Lion - "Wait" - 1987

4.3: SUXBNME --- Night Ranger - "Don't Tell Me You Love Me" - 1982

5.5: SUXBNME --- Ratt - ”The Morning After“ - 1984

6.3: SUXBNME --- Def Leppard - "Rock Brigade" - 1980

7.5 SUXBNME  --- Tesla - "Modern Day Cowboy" - 1986

8.3 SUXBNME ---  KIX  - "Don't Close Your Eyes" - 1988

9.5 SUXBNME --- BadLands - "Winters Call" - 1989

10.3 SUXBNME -- Dokken - "It's Not Love" - 1985

11.5 SUXBNME -- Ozzy Osbourne - "Bark at the Moon" - Wildcard (1983)

12.3 SUXBNME -- Guns 'N Roses - "Estranged" - Wildcard (1991)

13.5 SUXBNME -- Steel Panther -"Death To All But Metal" - Wildcard (2009) 

13.5 SUXBNME -- Warrant - "Uncle Tom's Cabin" -  Wildcard (1990)

14.3 SUXBNME -- Ozzy Osbourne - "Mr. Crowley" - Wildcard (1980)

15.5 SUXBNME -- Skid Row - "Monkey Business" - Wildcard (1991)

16.3 SUXBNME -- -void - (13.5 Steel Panther Reinstated)

 

1.6: BunnyBastards --- Def Leppard - "Bringin' on the Heartbreak" - 1981

2.2 BunnyBastards --- Guns 'N Roses - "Nightrain" - 1987

3.6: BunnyBastards --- Dokken - "Without Warning" - 1984

4.2: BunnyBastards --- Ratt - "You're In Love" - 1985

5.6: BunnyBastards --- Great White - "Save Your Love" - Wildcard (1987)

6.2: BunnyBastards --- Tesla - "Song and Emotion" - Wildcard (1991)

7.6: BunnyBastards --- Motley Crue - "Kickstart My Heart" - 1989

8.2: BunnyBastards ---  Ozzy Osbourne - "Mother Earth" 1980

9.6: BunnyBastards  --- Quiet Riot - "Mental Health" - 1983

10.2 BunnyBastards -- Scorpions - "Big City Nights" - Wildcard (1984)

11.6 BunnyBastards -- Skid Row - "Wasted Time" - Wildcard (1991)

12.2 BunnyBastards -- Van Halen - "Dreams" - 1986

13.6 BunnyBastards -- Queensryche - "Eyes Of A Stranger" - 1988

14.2 BunnyBastards -- Twisted Sister - "The Price" - Wildcard (1984)

15.6 BunnyBastards -- Sammy Hagar - "There’s Only One Way" - 1982 

16.2 BunnyBastards -- Krokus - "Ballroom Blitz" - Wildcard (1984)

 

1.7: TommyGavin --- Whitesnake - "Still of the Night" - 1987 

2.1 TommyGavin --- Twisted Sister - "I Wanna Rock" - 1984

3.7: TommyGavin --- Scorpions - "No One Like You" - 1982

4.1: TommyGavin --- Great White - "Once Bitten Twice Shy" - 1989

5.7 TommyGavin --- Bon Jovi - "Runaway" - 1983

6.1 TommyGavin --- Night Ranger - "Sister Christian" -  Wildcard (1984)

7.7 TommyGavin --- Queensryche  - "Spreading the Disease" - 1988

8.1 TommyGavin --- Dokken - "Kiss of Death" - Wildcard (1987) 

9.7 TommyGavin --- Ozzy Osbourne - "Over the Mountain" - 1981 

10.1 TommyGavin -- Ozzy Osbourne - "Steal Away (the Night) - 1980 

11.7 TommyGavin -- Badlands - "Whisky Dust" - Wildcard (1991)

12.1 TommyGavin -- Tesla - "Little Suzi"  - 1986

13.7 TommyGavin -- Dokken - "The Hunter" -1985 

14.1 TommyGavin -- Zebra - "Tell Me What You Want" - Wildcard (1983)

15.7 TommyGavin -- Van Halen - " D.O.A." - Wildcard (1979)

16.1 TommyGavin -- Dangerous Toys - "Sportin' a Woody" - Wildcard (1989)

[bostonlager 2,678]

I'm getting everything updated. Let me know what you guys want to do in terms of bonus round, 1 or 2 round voting, and sex panther. 

[Voltaire 5,534]

9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I think  I see the confusion. You didn't realize that there were two lists, not one, and that the name could appear on either.

Also, I don't think you had it out for Sux and from what he's posted, it looks like he sees it that way too.

Actually, no. that link does look like Wikipedia, if so it's the right place.

It's not under "S", scroll down to "Z".

One entry, see Zebra? Now keep going.... You should see more names under the title:  Glam Metal Revival Bands.

[bostonlager 2,678]

@BeenHereBefore

Did I mess up or did you not draft 1989?

[Voltaire 5,534]

12 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

@BeenHereBefore

Did I mess up or did you not draft 1989?

He has Skid Row's I Remember You IDed as 1989. (I didn't check, seems about right though)*

*Actually I didn't confirm hardly any. I just looked up some wildcards for housekeeping purpose that, by their nature, don't even need dates. For the dates that mattered, I didn't look up any. I put everyone on the honor system, accepting whatever you guys told me. The one problem we had, it was Herbie who caught Bunny on the Scorpions pick being mis-yeared, not me. I was too busy admiring the choice.

[bostonlager 2,678]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

He has Skid Row's I Remember You IDed as 1989. (I didn't check, seems about right though)

Yeah, I mess that one up. I will shuffle his lineup around

 

[Voltaire 5,534]

29 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

I'm getting everything updated. Let me know what you guys want to do in terms of bonus round, 1 or 2 round voting, and sex panther. 

Two rounds of voting.

I don't know how to conduct the bonus round so that it's fair. I found seven songs by seven bands but there's a huge discrepancy in how much I like song one from how much I like song seven. Is it fair that someone goes first and someone goes last? 

[bostonlager 2,678]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Two rounds of voting.

I don't know how to conduct the bonus round so that it's fair. I found seven songs by seven bands but there's a huge discrepancy in how much I like song one from how much I like song seven. Is it fair that someone goes first and someone goes last? 

Maybe just go with the teams we drafted then. 

[Voltaire 5,534]

Just now, bostonlager said:

Maybe just go with the teams we drafted then. 

Maybe no order. We can just pick any song by any band, first come first serve. Bands can overlap. If I take Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock" OK I locked that paricular song up, but not all Elvis. You can still take "Don't Be Cruel"

[Voltaire 5,534]

Another idea is to re-randomize the roll from the site I gave you earlier.

[TommyGavin 790]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Actually, no. that link does look like Wikipedia, if so it's the right place.

It's not under "S", scroll down to "Z".

One entry, see Zebra? Now keep going.... You should see more names under the title:  Glam Metal Revival Bands.

I saw that but we were drafting 80’s hair bands not Glam Metal

[BunnysBastatrds 2,711]

 Go with what we got. 

[Voltaire 5,534]

1 hour ago, TommyGavin said:

I saw that but we were drafting 80’s hair bands not Glam Metal

Since we have more information that wasn't available at the time the pick was rejected, and we never did clarify if the bottom of the page qualifies or not, we can toss this one back into bostonlager's lap.

You know, Sux DID make an 18.3 pick. Unfortunately, it was a song already taken in the 9th round. I was online at the time and tried to get his attention to pick again because I know how small his online window is. I failed, and he disappeared offline without a response. I thought "here comes another 18 hours until we hear from him again."

Anyway, I started combing over that page closer because we may do that bonus round you suggested and if so, I wanted to see which bands never got selected. That's when I saw Steel Panther on the bottom of the page in the other category. It made me pretty happy, I thought their presence there solved our problem, we could give Steel Panther to Sux without bending the rules. You're right that Bostonlager never did weigh in though on if that additional section qualified or not. That we disagree on whether or not it should is the crux of the problem.

 

 

[SUXBNME 1,629]

12 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Dammit. We got bad info... Steel Panther IS on the wiki list.

Seriously. The stars have aligned perfectly. And thus our SUX problem is solved.

Cool 

[TommyGavin 790]

8 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

Cool 

On the secondary list that was not approved prior to draft. 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,711]

When does voting start?

[bostonlager 2,678]

12 minutes ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

When does voting start?

Probably here in a couple days. We need to make sure we have rules and regs set. 
 

when do we post it?

how long is the voting open? 
 

top 3 go the the finals, what are tiebreaker rules? 
 

let me know if you have other concerns 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,711]

6 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

Probably here in a couple days. We need to make sure we have rules and regs set. 
 

when do we post it?

how long is the voting open? 
 

top 3 go the the finals, what are tiebreaker rules? 
 

let me know if you have other concerns 

 No. Sounds like a good plan my friend.  

[TommyGavin 790]

2 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Probably here in a couple days. We need to make sure we have rules and regs set. 
 

when do we post it?

how long is the voting open? 
 

top 3 go the the finals, what are tiebreaker rules? 
 

let me know if you have other concerns 

Posted anonymously?

[bostonlager 2,678]

7 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

Posted anonymously?

We are going public and a rule you cannot vote for yourself 

[TommyGavin 790]

OK

[bostonlager 2,678]

Love these guys but didn’t have room for them 

 

 

[Voltaire 5,534]

 

when do we post it? You have three things to do first. One is decide on Sux's roster. re-examine and decide if Sux's Steel Panther pick meets the rules criteria or no. Get him to re-pick if needed since his otherwise 16th rounder was invalid. The second is decide if we're doing the bonus round or not and the rules for that. I gave some suggestions you can take both,  one or neither and make your own. Or just scrap the idea. The third is decide if you want to do waivers or not. Waivers should go after the bonus round if we do both.

Solve those issues and then post the vote immediately after. 

how long is the voting open? Lock the voting thread when it falls off of page one.
 

top 3 go the the finals, what are tiebreaker rules? 
Take any tied for third into the next round.

[Herbivore 1,222]

1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

We are going public and a rule you cannot vote for yourself 

Got it. @TommyGavin let it go, Steel Panther for Sux should stand.  I will run thru the picks for year issues. Eyeball test.

[Voltaire 5,534]

6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

Got it. @TommyGavin let it go, Steel Panther for Sux should stand.  I will run thru the picks for year issues. Eyeball test.

And there's a fourth. This is good and we can wait for Herbie. Yearly selections were made on the honor system. I don't know if bostonlager was verifying them along the way, I only know that I did not. 

[Herbivore 1,222]

18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

And there's a fourth. This is good and we can wait for Herbie. Yearly selections were made on the honor system. I don't know if bostonlager was verifying them along the way, I only know that I did not. 

Initial pass, they all look good to me.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Today is the start of the MayDay holiday in China. When children in China have free time, I do not. So I will be more sporadic in posting but am around.

[bostonlager 2,678]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

And there's a fourth. This is good and we can wait for Herbie. Yearly selections were made on the honor system. I don't know if bostonlager was verifying them along the way, I only know that I did not. 

 

57 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

Initial pass, they all look good to me.

I did my best to verify years and looked up the ones I was fuzzy on. If you guys are good, I'm good. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,676]

28 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

 

I did my best to verify years and looked up the ones I was fuzzy on. If you guys are good, I'm good. 

I'm good with it.

[Voltaire 5,534]

I came up with rules for a bonus round. It requires two selections, if you can’t get your first choice, you automatically get your second. That may trigger a cascade effect. If that fails to resolve, the thing collapses. Tiebreakers would be decided randomly. I’ll tell you more when I get home. 
 

The concept revolves around sending two songs by two different undrafted bands to the GM.

[BeenHereBefore 1,676]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I came up with rules for a bonus round. It requires two selections, if you can’t get your first choice, you automatically get your second. That may trigger a cascade effect. If that fails to resolve, the thing collapses. Tiebreakers would be decided randomly. I’ll tell you more when I get home. 

Listening.

[BeenHereBefore 1,676]

My opinion just let it end like it did and was fun. Let it be brought up to vote and anything else is going to cause problems.

[Voltaire 5,534]

OK, I have some time.

The idea of the bonus round, if it works, is to get seven new songs by seven bands that weren't drafted.

It starts with each one of us going over the bands that never got selected and making two selections. Choose two songs by two different artist and send them to commissioner (or me if he wants me to handle it). I chose Elvis "Jailhouse Rock" and Little Richard "Long Tall Sally." When all seven participants have made their choices, the commish shows us what we sent him. The bonus round only produces one song per artist. So if I want Elvis "Hound Dog" and you want Elvis "Jailhouse Rock" we don't both get Elvis, we have to go to tiebreakers.  If an infinite loop develops that cannot be resolved in such a way that someone cannot get either of those two choices, then we've fail and the process aborts.

Ideally, we get seven different bands selected with top priority. Then it's clean. When things get messy is if there is a tie at #1 or worse, two ties or a three way tie.
The first tie-breaker is avoiding an infinite loops. if one result creates an infinite loop, take the other result. If both result in an infinte loops, we've failed and must  abort.

The second tie-breaker decides the outcome randomly random. We'll have to use some coin flip/dice roll or something.

Whoever loses a tiebreaker, automatically gets their second pick. This means their second pick gets priority over somebody else who has a first round pick, which then triggers their own second pick and potentially another person to switch to their second pick.

I hope it's clear. It's the best I can think up.

[Voltaire 5,534]

3 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

My opinion just let it end like it did and was fun. Let it be brought up to vote and anything else is going to cause problems.

We can do that too. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,676]

Just now, Voltaire said:

We can do that too. 

Honestly think that is for the best and later maybe have another draft for the good songs left.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Just now, BeenHereBefore said:

Honestly think that is for the best and later maybe have another draft for the good songs left.

Maybe people are feeling they just want things done and to move on.

[BeenHereBefore 1,676]

Just now, Voltaire said:

Maybe people are feeling they just want things done and to move on.

My point and this went fairly well and lets not mess with it.