Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Buck, your profile pic is offensive, please remove immediately 

Do I just remove it, or does the Geek Club demand a written apology for my cultural appropriation? 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

I get how costs can get out of hand, my point was more it seems to be a big issue with them in particular.   Taking the woke and diversity sequels out of the equation, you are not going to consistently make any money if damn near all your movies cost a ton of money.   They look like dog sh1t on top of it.   It just seems they have terrible leadership in this dept OR they are hiding money in the production costs somewhere.  0 clue how Little Mermaid costs 2x what Dune did.  

It would seed that our resident poster has a deeper understanding of Disney finances than Disney itself......

[League Champion 1,911]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Do I just remove it, or does the Geek Club demand a written apology for my cultural appropriation? 

  I would never cancel you Buck, you're a good Sport, for a Lib

[RLLD 4,230]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Do I just remove it, or does the Geek Club demand a written apology for my cultural appropriation? 

   Lucky for you conservatives are not insufferable twats....you keep that pic, it hurts no one...

[BuckSwope 654]

19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

   Lucky for you conservatives are not insufferable twats....you keep that pic, it hurts no one...

Strong disagree here.  

[BuckSwope 654]

31 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It would seed that our resident poster has a deeper understanding of Disney finances than Disney itself......

It's interesting, but box office numbers have always been a bit of a shell game and unpredictable.  It gets to the point where they get fudged so much they don't mean a ton.    Disney is a little more like Netflix in that they are making content for their service now.  Just like NF spends stupid money on movies and actors because it's about keeping subscriptions not ticket sales, Disney is now at least 1/2 that too.  They probably don't care quite as much about ballooning costs and ticket sales since they know it all goes right to their steaming service as well.  

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

They probably don't care quite as much about ballooning costs and ticket sales since they know it all goes right to their steaming service as well.  

I honestly don't care about how much money Disney makes or doesn't make. I just don't understand why they insist on forcing their political and social agenda on kids. I mean, what's the point?? It's obviously them pushing an agenda. 

Why is it wrong to disagree with what they're doing? Is it? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

And the stupid just keeps on coming. Lol. Buck Dope pinch hitting now. 

[RLLD 4,230]

13 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Strong disagree here.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

And the stupid just keeps on coming. Lol. Buck Dope pinch hitting now. 

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's interesting, but box office numbers have always been a bit of a shell game and unpredictable.  It gets to the point where they get fudged so much they don't mean a ton.    Disney is a little more like Netflix in that they are making content for their service now.  Just like NF spends stupid money on movies and actors because it's about keeping subscriptions not ticket sales, Disney is now at least 1/2 that too.  They probably don't care quite as much about ballooning costs and ticket sales since they know it all goes right to their steaming service as well.  

The dilemma, in trying to mediate their message for them, is that it still comes back to them.

Their errors with regard to this pattern should concern an investor regardless of the company involved.  The expectation is that corporate leadership is positioning the company to be not merely successful, but as profitable as possible within the legal framework.  People hand over their money to them as investors under this understanding.

Disney did not follow through on their duty. If the movies were expensive it was incumbent upon them to assess the product and ensure it would generate a suitable return. The movie business is tough to be sure, they have many losses and some big wins.  Disney had an enviable formula that saw them making pretty good money.

Disney forsook that formula to jump into the social justice realm.  Had this been done in a profitable way, then great!  But their performance is now far too disconnected from historical norms for them, it is clear (as they plainly admit) that they did not do a good job in balancing this.

I saw it coming years ago and divested. Until they show me they are willing to run it properly, why would I invest in them if I can do better elsewhere? I want a company that honors MY values.....when I invest i expect to make money.....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Costs don’t matter! - Buck Dope. 

[BuckSwope 654]

36 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I honestly don't care about how much money Disney makes or doesn't make. I just don't understand why they insist on forcing their political and social agenda on kids. I mean, what's the point?? It's obviously them pushing an agenda. 

Why is it wrong to disagree with what they're doing? Is it? 

0 clue why it would be wrong to disagree with that or to stop watching and buying it if it goes too far for you.   At some point they made the decision that it's either what they truly believe and want to push vs what they calculated their audience wanted.   Disney movies have mostly been garbage for decades, and I'm glad my daughter doesn't give two craps about it for the most part.  About all we watch is nature docs (I mean climate change messaging ) and Pixar movies.  

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The dilemma, in trying to mediate their message for them, is that it still comes back to them.

Their errors with regard to this pattern should concern an investor regardless of the company involved.  The expectation is that corporate leadership is positioning the company to be not merely successful, but as profitable as possible within the legal framework.  People hand over their money to them as investors under this understanding.

Disney did not follow through on their duty. If the movies were expensive it was incumbent upon them to assess the product and ensure it would generate a suitable return. The movie business is tough to be sure, they have many losses and some big wins.  Disney had an enviable formula that saw them making pretty good money.

Disney forsook that formula to jump into the social justice realm.  Had this been done in a profitable way, then great!  But their performance is now far too disconnected from historical norms for them, it is clear (as they plainly admit) that they did not do a good job in balancing this.

I saw it coming years ago and divested. Until they show me they are willing to run it properly, why would I invest in them if I can do better elsewhere? I want a company that honors MY values.....when I invest i expect to make money.....

I don't disagree with any of that.  100% - stop watching and investing if you don't like what they are doing.  

My main points were merely that there reasons for their lack of success that might not only be because of woke, and that box office #s aren't as straight forward as people seem to be making them.  

[RLLD 4,230]

19 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I don't disagree with any of that.  100% - stop watching and investing if you don't like what they are doing.  

My main points were merely that there reasons for their lack of success that might not only be because of woke, and that box office #s aren't as straight forward as people seem to be making them.  

Agree. Typically a problem is not a univariate one.  I am confident there are a range of issues that led to it...but please note.....that is not what THEY said...... and that distinction is important. If we are to take them at their word, then they are telling us "we face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products." 

I applaud their admission.  As an investor I would expect nothing less.  Now, this admission indicates then are at least NOW aware of the concern that investors, and notably some members here, have been voicing for some time.  I would expect the leadership of a company to be as aware and knowledgable as the rest of us....at a minumum.....and avoid this issue entirely.  

I hope they now foment a more appropriate balance between pet projects around the farcical social justice nonsense and fiduciary duty to share holders. 

[League Champion 1,911]

36 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Disney movies have mostly been garbage for decades, and I'm glad my daughter doesn't give two craps about it for the most part. 

You are 100% correct Sir 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Seriously sounding like a neutered lefty here.  Wtf do you need an apology for?

Why the f@ck do you care?

[RLLD 4,230]

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Why the f@ck do you care?

I have always viewed the apology tactic as some kind of admonishment manuever rather than an actual request for an apology....which is usually not accepted when provided...so I dont bother when asked.... if I am in the wrong I will offer it unrequested, asking for it means you will not get it from me....because the ask is not genuine IMHO

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Agree. Typically a problem is not a univariate one.  I am confident there are a range of issues that led to it...but please note.....that is not what THEY said...... and that distinction is important. If we are to take them at their word, then they are telling us "we face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products." 

I applaud their admission.  As an investor I would expect nothing less.  Now, this admission indicates then are at least NOW aware of the concern that investors, and notably some members here, have been voicing for some time.  I would expect the leadership of a company to be as aware and knowledgable as the rest of us....at a minumum.....and avoid this issue entirely.  

I hope they now foment a more appropriate balance between pet projects around the farcical social justice nonsense and fiduciary duty to share holders. 

I read, and understood what they said.  I get all that and largely agree with you.   However, in your post above you seem to be more willing than some around here to let a little bit of the woke go as long as it was still keeping your investment a solid one.    I find your stance to be a rational one.     What I often don't find rational is where people's line in the sand is as far as when they react, and how it's often not able to be applied across the board.  Way too often people are upset about something they can't be bothered watching/reading, or can't explain to me how it's too "woke".     JMO, but I think a large part of the reaction to Disney is them going after DeSantis and the right, and less about the actual content of the movies.  

[RLLD 4,230]

12 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I read, and understood what they said.  I get all that and largely agree with you.   However, in your post above you seem to be more willing than some around here to let a little bit of the woke go as long as it was still keeping your investment a solid one.    I find your stance to be a rational one.     What I often don't find rational is where people's line in the sand is as far as when they react, and how it's often not able to be applied across the board.  Way too often people are upset about something they can't be bothered watching/reading, or can't explain to me how it's too "woke".     JMO, but I think a large part of the reaction to Disney is them going after DeSantis and the right, and less about the actual content of the movies.  

Understood.  Social Justice has been part of businesses for decades now. I think the "change" might be the militancy of it.  Normal every day people will object to such manuevers. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Understood.  Social Justice has been part of businesses for decades now. I think the "change" might be the militancy of it.  Normal every day people will object to such manuevers. 

Very fair.  I guess I don't consume enough Disney content (and I don't believe many in here do either, which is why I never seem to get specific answers as to how the movies are overly woke now) to agree if they are being militant about woke in their movies and shows.   I stopped watching years ago because it's mostly the same rehashed princess and superhero sh1t over and over.    Like I said, I have no problems with people bailing because they think woke is being shoved down their throats, just allow me to laugh at them a bit if they can't tell me how that is occuring or if their example is a woman starring in a Star Wars movie.        We agree that normal people would object to that, but we probably won't agree on where that line is, and that's ok.   Mostly this all just started because I thought a movie costing $330 to make was ridiculous, and no wonder they are struggling to profit from them.  

[RLLD 4,230]

12 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Very fair.  I guess I don't consume enough Disney content (and I don't believe many in here do either, which is why I never seem to get specific answers as to how the movies are overly woke now) to agree if they are being militant about woke in their movies and shows.   I stopped watching years ago because it's mostly the same rehashed princess and superhero sh1t over and over.    Like I said, I have no problems with people bailing because they think woke is being shoved down their throats, just allow me to laugh at them a bit if they can't tell me how that is occuring or if their example is a woman starring in a Star Wars movie.        We agree that normal people would object to that, but we probably won't agree on where that line is, and that's ok.   Mostly this all just started because I thought a movie costing $330 to make was ridiculous, and no wonder they are struggling to profit from them.  

Disney can do as they please.  If they want to put out movies that have an emphasis on social issues, have at it.  My position is from that of investor. I wont invest in a company that returns less on my investment than elsewhere.

Their filing was something I predicted some time ago, and that is why I ended my investment in them.  So their apologizing to their investors like this falls flat for me.  Investors trusted them to honor their duty, and they did something else. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Disney can do as they please.  If they want to put out movies that have an emphasis on social issues, have at it.  My position is from that of investor. I wont invest in a company that returns less on my investment than elsewhere.

Their filing was something I predicted some time ago, and that is why I ended my investment in them.  So their apologizing to their investors like this falls flat for me.  Investors trusted them to honor their duty, and they did something else. 

I hear you, but you also understand that your position is different than a lot of peoples on the topic, right?    

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

I hear you, but you also understand that your position is different than a lot of peoples on the topic, right?    

It might be.  I would have to chat with people for some length of time to consider that conclusion.  Objecting to something does not immediately equate to abolute opposition.

I surmise that it can be found where any objection is automatically equated to total opposition. It's a kind of absolutism that I struggle to be patient with.  My perceotion around it is a little different.  I think there are folks who are just tired of being villainized for thinking differently, and when it arises that they can poke at the folks who villianize they do it. I know I duvvumb to it on occasion.

With Disney you have this company built on good and wholesome values, that suddenly came out wagging its finger and embracing really spectral stuff.  It boils down to the kids. Once all this started reaching the kids the parents were not going to sit back.  The "movement" went too far.

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It might be.  I would have to chat with people for some length of time to consider that conclusion.  Objecting to something does not immediately equate to abolute opposition.

I surmise that it can be found where any objection is automatically equated to total opposition. It's a kind of absolutism that I struggle to be patient with.  My perceotion around it is a little different.  I think there are folks who are just tired of being villainized for thinking differently, and when it arises that they can poke at the folks who villianize they do it. I know I duvvumb to it on occasion.

With Disney you have this company built on good and wholesome values, that suddenly came out wagging its finger and embracing really spectral stuff.  It boils down to the kids. Once all this started reaching the kids the parents were not going to sit back.  The "movement" went too far.

I see 2 camps.  You seem to be mostly OK with the woke, as long as it doesn't tank your investment.   Most of what I see is a strong push against anything perceived as woke.   

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I see 2 camps.  You seem to be mostly OK with the woke, as long as it doesn't tank your investment.   Most of what I see is a strong push against anything perceived as woke.   

I see more happening in favor of this "woke" which is actually just Marxists stealing the positive moniker around becoming more aware from the AA community.   Modern Marxism is a departure from its roots because it invokes intersectionality.  They throw on "woke" to hide what they really are.

So yeah, there is going to be a natural stubborness when "woke"(Marxism) is sensed. This is because it flouts the things that are good.

[BuckSwope 654]

55 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see more happening in favor of this "woke" which is actually just Marxists stealing the positive moniker around becoming more aware from the AA community.   Modern Marxism is a departure from its roots because it invokes intersectionality.  They throw on "woke" to hide what they really are.

So yeah, there is going to be a natural stubborness when "woke"(Marxism) is sensed. This is because it flouts the things that are good.

Sure, and yet again I have no issue with what you wrote and agree.      

BUT, my point still stands that "woke" is now right along with words like racist or pedo in that it's used so much and for so much nonsense it doesn't mean much anymore.    Somebody telling me they are against woke doesn't mean a damn thing anymore when I've seen people seen it used for everything from CRT to 5 sec clips of cross dressers to pushing gender in schools to casting a female Jedi.     That's where I am coming from when I think it's funny that the "go woke, go broke" crowd doesn't seem to be able to answer specifically what is in the Disney movies/shows they object to OR why when they do it doesn't apply to other companies that have movies like that.    Hense my opinion that in this case its more to do with Disney's general attitude towards the right and DeSantis than anything specifically about woke ideals in their products.  

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure, and yet again I have no issue with what you wrote and agree.      

BUT, my point still stands that "woke" is now right along with words like racist or pedo in that it's used so much and for so much nonsense it doesn't mean much anymore.    Somebody telling me they are against woke doesn't mean a damn thing anymore when I've seen people seen it used for everything from CRT to 5 sec clips of cross dressers to pushing gender in schools to casting a female Jedi.     That's where I am coming from when I think it's funny that the "go woke, go broke" crowd doesn't seem to be able to answer specifically what is in the Disney movies/shows they object to OR why when they do it doesn't apply to other companies that have movies like that.    Hense my opinion that in this case its more to do with Disney's general attitude towards the right and DeSantis than anything specifically about woke ideals in their products.  

It really is a curious thing in general.  This idea of boycotting was once a dominant weapon of the left, and rather effective.  It was typically lamented by those on the right.

I think companies reacted.  And now try to get ahead of it.  They are more afraid of leftists than righties.

But when it arises that those on the right seem to be "doing it back" I think we see alot of frustrated people just tired of always taking it, now seeing it being given back and revelling in it.

I try to resist participating. But I understand the compulsion as well. 

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It really is a curious thing in general.  This idea of boycotting was once a dominant weapon of the left, and rather effective.  It was typically lamented by those on the right.

I think companies reacted.  And now try to get ahead of it.  They are more afraid of leftists than righties.

But when it arises that those on the right seem to be "doing it back" I think we see alot of frustrated people just tired of always taking it, now seeing it being given back and revelling in it.

I try to resist participating. But I understand the compulsion as well. 

Yep, again agree.     

Here specifically I just thought it was funny people getting so worked up over Disney and content of movies/shows.   I agree fully that it's more about the bolded, and I said as much - just be honest and say that (not you, in general) and admit it's probably an inconsistent and hypocritical position.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

10 hours ago, RLLD said:

Read it as you please, of course.  Attempt as you will to interpret what they asserted to feed your bias.

My approach is less about trying to find a golden nugget to hold on to so much as considering whether or not they have learned their lesson to an extent where it makes sense to once again invest in them.

Right now might be a suitable time to buy, but only if there is some notion they will at least mediate their stupidity and one can again derive value from their stock.

If I'm feeding a bias then so are you. Can we at least agree that what Disney actually said is far more complex than the simple headlines people posted here?

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

8 hours ago, League Champion said:

 

This strikes me as the sort of post you would see on a Nazi board like Stormfront. Sad to see it posted here. 

[League Champion 1,911]

39 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This strikes me as the sort of post you would see on a Nazi board like Stormfront. Sad to see it posted here. 

OJ kissing the princess?? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This strikes me as the sort of post you would see on a Nazi board like Stormfront. Sad to see it posted here. 

Defending Bill Cosby now? I guess if you’re gonna go to bat for Roman Polanski, you have to be fair.  

[Reality 3,121]

Must read, Desantis was right, as usual.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

Must read, Desantis was right, as usual.

 

 

But did they violate a law?   I mean, if they were within the boundaries of law but their actions were unseemly...well, that could be any large business in America.

[Reality 3,121]

33 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

But did they violate a law?   I mean, if they were within the boundaries of law but their actions were unseemly...well, that could be any large business in America.

Possibly, the article mentions tax evasion and bribery.

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

Possibly, the article mentions tax evasion and bribery.

Ok, if there were violations of the law then lets ensure they are accountable for those.  If you were to tell me they abused the gaps in the law, I am not going to be surprised. For me its that they are a child-centric business supporting mentally ill folks with sexual-related illness....its just a little too close for comfort there.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

On 12/1/2023 at 6:34 PM, Sean Mooney said:

If I'm feeding a bias then so are you. Can we at least agree that what Disney actually said is far more complex than the simple headlines people posted here?

Hey @RLLD just wanted to see if you saw this question I posed. I was interested if you wanted to discuss this further. 

 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

38 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Hey @RLLD just wanted to see if you saw this question I posed. I was interested if you wanted to discuss this further. 

Still waiting for you to reassess your original position. Let us know when you come to your senses.