TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 11 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: My use of boyo is simply a term of endearment. And thanks for the link. So ONE math professor makes this argument and it's "gaining traction" across the country? Sorry but I'm very skeptical of that. You're a math teacher, are you being asked to teach anything differently? Have even close to a significant percentage of school systems across the country started to lower standards or teach math differently because it's racist? Likely the answer to all is no and once again some loud lefty's stupid opinion is being pushed out like it's even close to mainstream. I'll hold my outrage until these things become more mainstream and start to infect schools in my area. Just like conservatives predicted that we'd have boys in girls restrooms constantly, that biological boys would ruin women's sports, that elementary school libraries are full of gay porn, etc. None of the above has happened outside of very few isolated incidents. And when they happen they are handled locally as they should. No need for national outrage or to act like these things are becoming accepted by most liberals. It's simply not true and not happening. I just bumped the “Desantis and his stupid laws” thread which included some similar discussion. There were examples of math “being taught differently” for blacks. There have also been other threads talking about standards being lowered across the board, but I’m not aware of standards only being lowered for blacks or minorities. You could argue affirmative action in college admissions was a form of this, but I think there is truth to the argument that SAT scores are impacted by privilege so at least originally it made sense that some blacks would be admitted to Ivy League schools for example despite lower SAT scores, because with more resources as a kid they may have had better scores. But I’m OK with that going away now as it seems in recent years the affirmative action in college admissions was mostly just making it easier for “privileged” blacks to get in and thus hasn’t really been working for it’s intended purpose. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: I just bumped the “Desantis and his stupid laws” thread which included some similar discussion. There were examples of math “being taught differently” for blacks. There have also been other threads talking about standards being lowered across the board, but I’m not aware of standards only being lowered for blacks or minorities. You could argue affirmative action in college admissions was a form of this, but I think there is truth to the argument that SAT scores are impacted by privilege so at least originally it made sense that some blacks would be admitted to Ivy League schools for example despite lower SAT scores, because with more resources as a kid they may have had better scores. But I’m OK with that going away now as it seems in recent years the affirmative action in college admissions was mostly just making it easier for “privileged” blacks to get in and thus hasn’t really been working for it’s intended purpose. We've heard screeching from the alt right about how CRT and setting lower expectations for minorities was going to make its way into the schools for years now. Altering school curriculums. Examples of this happening either zero or very close to zero. Maybe some extreme left district in Seattle or Portland may try this nonsense, but they certainly do not represent the views of main stream libs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,139 Posted January 28, 2024 Math is most certainly racist. It wants nothing to do with the schools in Baltimore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 I hate all liberals equally and equitably and diversely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted January 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Raven Fan said: And showing up to work on time is racist? Why do you hate millennials? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,662 Posted January 28, 2024 Quote The Bias of ‘Professionalism’ Standards Professionalism has become coded language for white favoritism in workplace practices that more often than not privilege the values of white and Western employees and leave behind people of color. The standards of professionalism, according to American grassroots organizer-scholars Tema Okun and Keith Jones, are heavily defined by white supremacy culture—or the systemic, institutionalized centering of whiteness. In the workplace, white supremacy culture explicitly and implicitly privileges whiteness and discriminates against non-Western and non-white professionalism standards related to dress code, speech, work style, and timeliness. We are taught to identify white supremacy with violent segregationist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and their modern-day equivalents. Okun and Jones, however, introduce a different approach to thinking about white supremacy. In their definition, the term describes a series of characteristics that institutionalize whiteness and Westernness as both normal and superior to other ethnic, racial, and regional identities and customs. While people often don’t view this theorization of white supremacy as violent, it can lead to systemic discrimination and physical violence. According to Okun and Jones, white supremacy culture at an organizational level is apparent in: the belief that traditional standards and values are objective and unbiased; the emphasis on a sense of urgency and quantity over quality, which can be summarized by the phrase “the ends justify the means"; perfectionism that leaves little room for mistakes; and binary thinking. These values, established over time as history and fact, have been used to create the narrative of white supremacy that underpins professionalism today, playing out in the hiring, firing, and day-to-day management of workplaces around the world. The story unfolds many ways: in white and Western standards of dress and hairstyle (straightened hair, suits but not saris, and burqa and beard bans in some countries); in speech, accent, word choice, and communication (never show emotion, must sound “American,” and must speak white standard English); in scrutiny (black employees are monitored more closely and face more penalties as a result); and in attitudes toward timeliness and work style. Author and grassroots activist adrienne maree brown says, “what we pay attention to grows.” We must broaden our perspective to include but also go beyond typical discussions of employment discrimination focused on obvious issues, such as workplace microaggressions and discriminatory hiring and firing practices. We need to expand our attention toward addressing more subtle barriers, from using biased hiring metrics to the acceptance of some work styles over others. Only then will we begin to address the damage done by the biased forms of professionalism that dominate workplaces in the United States and other white-majority countries. https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards From the Stanford Social Innovation Review Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted January 28, 2024 Just now, jerryskids said: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards From the Stanford Social Innovation Review Oh snap, not the Stanford Social Innovation Review! Written by 1 person in 2019. Why did Trump cause this kind of thinking to start? Heck, I'd think in almost 5 years since the article that every school in every state is teaching this now, right? I didn't realize how far this had infiltrated our country! Next it will show up as an oped in the Baltimore Bee and you'll know we're all cooked. LMFAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted January 28, 2024 2 hours ago, Voltaire said: Alright, kindly drop the 'boyos' and the accusations of racism and maybe a reasonable discourse can be had. This notion that math is racist or that minority kids shouldn't be expected to meet "higher standards" (higher standards = basic math competency that pretty much even the dumbest rockheads we went to High School with in the 1980s were able to achieve) is gaining traction. The way forward is to lower the standards so us math teachers aren't held accountable for turning out adults who can't figure out their mortgage or internet bill or how many shingles they need to buy to repair a roof, or read a floorplan, let alone design an airplane. Here's what that looks like. https://www.campusreform.org/article/prof-algebra-geometry-perpetuate-white-privilege/10005 This sounds a little like The No Child Left Behind Act, that basically ended up lowering standards for all students, and had schools more concerned about the data they had to turn in the state instead of actual outcomes for students. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 12 minutes ago, jerryskids said: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards From the Stanford Social Innovation Review "We are taught to identify white supremacy with violent segregationist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and their modern-day equivalents" What, exactly, is a modern day equivalent to the KKK? BLM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,139 Posted January 28, 2024 Don’t act white. It upsets people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCK BOTTOM 58 Posted January 28, 2024 It's 2024. Being white is bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, ROCK BOTTOM said: It's 2024. Being white is bad. Whites Unite!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted January 28, 2024 4 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: You guys need some hobbies Sadly, this is it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 49 minutes ago, 5-Points said: "We are taught to identify white supremacy with violent segregationist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and their modern-day equivalents" What, exactly, is a modern day equivalent to the KKK? BLM? Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,241 Posted January 28, 2024 14 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion Do you recommend any one over the others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,241 Posted January 28, 2024 16 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion I just read an article about the Free Masons and the Klan. the article staterd the Klan frequently met at masonic lodges and that the membership between the two in some areas was a unified set. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,872 Posted January 28, 2024 17 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion Genetic fallacy Fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance in which arguments or information are dismissed or validated based solely on their source of origin rather than their content. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 20 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion BLM? ANTIFA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Do you recommend any one over the others? National Justice Party appears to have been recently disbanded, so not that one I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,241 Posted January 28, 2024 Just now, TimHauck said: National Justice Party appears to have been recently disbanded, so not that one I guess But it sounds like all they were seeking was justice. I suppose it is just possible that their definition of jsutice might be controversial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Genetic fallacy Fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance in which arguments or information are dismissed or validated based solely on their source of origin rather than their content. Are you a member of one of the groups I listed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Are you a member of one of the groups I listed? Your opinion makes your question moot. Because you are wrong with what you say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 Definitely sounds like something @Cdub100 would write Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 8 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Definitely sounds like something @Cdub100 would write Sounds like something you liberals would whine about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,872 Posted January 28, 2024 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Definitely sounds like something @Cdub100 would write Where's the lie? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Where's the lie? National Justice Party it is. Sorry to hear about the recent disbanding, hopefully you’ve found a new white supremacist group to join instead. But to answer your question, there is no racial component to qualifying for section 8 vouchers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: National Justice Party it is. Sorry to hear about the recent disbanding, hopefully you’ve found a new white supremacist group to join instead. But to answer your question, there is no racial component to qualifying for section 8 vouchers. I embrace racism. Being inclusive means everyone's point is valid. AmIRight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 48 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Where's the lie? Here’s the backstory behind that btw https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/07/texas-hoas-housing-section-8/ Remember when the GC said there isn’t systemic racism against blacks currently? Good times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,872 Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Here’s the backstory behind that btw https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/07/texas-hoas-housing-section-8/ Remember when the GC said there isn’t systemic racism against blacks currently? Good times Bro I don't care. You seem to think I'm on the front lines fighting. I'm not I've given up on white people. In fact, I'm voting to make things worse. I want diversity everywhere. Especially in Conservative GOP republican areas. I want all white people to wonder why everything at their local CVS is behind plexiglass. Why the self-check out is gone. Why their children get beat up at school. Why they have to lock their doors at night and get their cars broken into all the time. I want Homeless drug users on every corner. I want white neighborhoods to look like they do in South Africa high fencing with razor wire all around. Diversity is our strength 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Doing a quick search, here appear to be a few: Patriot Front Vanguard America National Justice Party Rise Above Movement National Socialist Legion at Patriot Front. Which of those groups are lynching people today? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 14 minutes ago, 5-Points said: at Patriot Front. Which of those groups are lynching people today? Step 1. It’s not happening Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: It’s not happening Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Step 1. It’s not happening Step 2. Make believe it is so simple minded morons have something to fear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,139 Posted January 28, 2024 My the boogaloo boys have fallen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,662 Posted January 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Raven Fan said: Oh snap, not the Stanford Social Innovation Review! Written by 1 person in 2019. Why did Trump cause this kind of thinking to start? Heck, I'd think in almost 5 years since the article that every school in every state is teaching this now, right? I didn't realize how far this had infiltrated our country! Next it will show up as an oped in the Baltimore Bee and you'll know we're all cooked. LMFAO Step 2: It happens but it is rare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 31 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Step 2. Make believe it is so simple minded morons have something to fear. Phew, good to know that since people aren’t getting hanged in public that means white supremacist groups are NBD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,874 Posted January 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Phew, good to know that since people aren’t getting hanged in public that means white supremacist groups are NBD Yeah cause a few people getting hanged in public is way worse than the 1000s getting shot in liberal run cities every focking day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 13 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Phew, good to know that since people aren’t getting hanged in public that means white supremacist groups are NBD You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. What is the modern day "equivalent" to the KKK? If they aren't lynching people, burning crosses, terrorizing communities or voting democrat, they aren't equivalent to the KKK. But you guys like to call people that disagree with your politics nazis, so your comparisons are meaningless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,667 Posted January 28, 2024 40 minutes ago, 5-Points said: You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. What is the modern day "equivalent" to the KKK? If they aren't lynching people, burning crosses, terrorizing communities or voting democrat, they aren't equivalent to the KKK. But you guys like to call people that disagree with your politics nazis, so your comparisons are meaningless. The Geek club: you call people Nazis that disagree with your politics, if they’re not putting people in ovens then they’re not Nazis Also the Geek Club: regularly called the left “brownshirts” during Covid restrictions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,440 Posted January 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: The Geek club: you call people Nazis that disagree with your politics, if they’re not putting people in ovens then they’re not Nazis Also the Geek Club: regularly called the left “brownshirts” during Covid restrictions Exactly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites