NFL 2022

[MDC 8,087]

44 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Well you can't play this week because it just happened last night and there is another game Sunday, so the only option is to push everything back a week, which is a logistical nightmare, so you have to look at the cost/benefit, and there really is no benefit, because the game is not needed, both teams are already in the playoffs, so it's just seeding, and you can determine the seeding without it.  It's simply not worth it.

Why can’t they play Wednesday and move the Sunday games back a day or 2? They’ve moved games due to dangerous weather before. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,038]

Are the Giants the only team that has nothing to play for this week? Didn’t see that coming, even if it is a wildcard spot. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why can’t they play Wednesday and move the Sunday games back a day or 2? They’ve moved games due to dangerous weather before. 

Playoffs start next week.  Again, it's not needed, so no reason to do all this crazy stuff to play the game.  The game doesn't matter.

[MDC 8,087]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Playoffs start next week.  Again, it's not needed, so no reason to do all this crazy stuff to play the game.  The game doesn't matter.

The game does matter though. The Bills can still win the 1 seed and a bye and the 2/3 seed is on the line either way. 

Unless you mean the game doesn’t matter in the sense that football isn’t important. It isn’t, but why even have the season then? 

Just cancel the year I guess.

[nobody 2,930]

47 minutes ago, MDC said:

The game does matter though. The Bills can still win the 1 seed and a bye and the 2/3 seed is on the line either way. 

Unless you mean the game doesn’t matter in the sense that football isn’t important. It isn’t, but why even have the season then? 

Just cancel the year I guess.

Finally someone has a heart.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

The game does matter though. The Bills can still win the 1 seed and a bye and the 2/3 seed is on the line either way. 

Unless you mean the game doesn’t matter in the sense that football isn’t important. It isn’t, but why even have the season then? 

Just cancel the year I guess.

I would bet the bills players would rather not play the game and take the higher seed than to play tomorrow, then again on Sunday or Monday, knowing they play again the following weekend.

It's about the players, not you

[MDC 8,087]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I would bet the bills players would rather not play the game and take the higher seed than to play tomorrow, then again on Sunday or Monday, knowing they play again the following weekend.

It's about the players, not you

This will be my last post on this subject.

I bet the Bills players would rather have a chance at the 1 seed vs. handing the bye week and home field to the Chiefs. Not to mention allowing KC to rest all their starters in what would be a meaningless Week 18 game.

They could have played the game today or Wednesday and potentially moved the Bills and Bengals Sunday games to Monday. But the ship has sailed on that proposal.

This isn’t about me at all. I’m not a fan of either team or any AFC team and I don’t have any fantasy or rooting interest in the game. I just can’t fathom outright cancelling a game because a player got seriously hurt. Players get hurt all the time. 

Finally, this all just seems to be about the league not wanting to look bad. If the NFL really cared about player well-being they wouldn’t have teams playing on 3 days rest throughout the year or playing home games in foreign countries. And it wouldn’t let players with numerous concussions or obvious mental health issues continue to play the game.

It’s sad that Hamlin got hurt but the only reason you even know he exists is because he plays football, so let’s stop with the “It’s bigger than the game!” pearl clutching. People get hurt all the time and the game keeps on going.

My 2 cents.

[Horseman 2,706]

22 minutes ago, MDC said:

This will be my last post on this subject.

I bet the Bills players would rather have a chance at the 1 seed vs. handing the bye week and home field to the Chiefs. Not to mention allowing KC to rest all their starters in what would be a meaningless Week 18 game.

They could have played the game today or Wednesday and potentially moved the Bills and Bengals Sunday games to Monday. But the ship has sailed on that proposal.

This isn’t about me at all. I’m not a fan of either team or any AFC team and I don’t have any fantasy or rooting interest in the game. I just can’t fathom outright cancelling a game because a player got seriously hurt. Players get hurt all the time. 

Finally, this all just seems to be about the league not wanting to look bad. If the NFL really cared about player well-being they wouldn’t have teams playing on 3 days rest throughout the year or playing home games in foreign countries. And it wouldn’t let players with numerous concussions or obvious mental health issues continue to play the game.

It’s sad that Hamlin got hurt but the only reason you even know he exists is because he plays football, so let’s stop with the “It’s bigger than the game!” pearl clutching. People get hurt all the time and the game keeps on going.

My 2 cents.

100%

Every time someone is immobilized for a possible neck and/or head injury there is a change they are paralyzed, coma or even death.  5 minutes later it's play ball without knowing for sure the outcome.  By this morning they all knew his status.  They should have stayed in town and played the remaining 3 quarters tonight.  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Do you idiots know that the NFL told the players to take 5 and then begin play after the ambulance drove off the field?  And the players and coaches said f that and left?

Now you're telling the players to man up and get back on the field a day later?  A couple of nobody's that have never played sports telling professional football players to stop being puzzies.  Nice job.

[nobody 2,930]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Now you're telling the players to man up and get back on the field a day later?  A couple of nobody's that have never played sports telling professional football players to stop being puzzies.  Nice job.

Play a lot of sports, did you?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,038]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

Play a lot of sports, did you?

Ha! We have a guy here that thinks the helmets are made of metal. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

28 minutes ago, nobody said:

Play a lot of sports, did you?

I'm not the one telling the players that they need to suck it up and get back on the field tomorrow 

[Horseman 2,706]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I'm not the one telling the players that they need to suck it up and get back on the field tomorrow 

They take the guy off the ventilator later this week and he doesn't make it do the Bills play Sunday?  Forfeit two games?  Call it a season?  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They take the guy off the ventilator later this week and he doesn't make it do the Bills play Sunday?  Forfeit two games?  Call it a season?  

I assume they will play Sunday, but that's up to them.  You don't get it.  Did you even see the players?  Understand what they went through?

Try listening to some players talk about what happened.  You have zero empathy.  This is why you're such a douche bag 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,038]

15 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They take the guy off the ventilator later this week and he doesn't make it do the Bills play Sunday?  Forfeit two games?  Call it a season?  

Interesting point 

[Horseman 2,706]

2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I assume they will play Sunday, but that's up to them.  You don't get it.  Did you even see the players?  Understand what they went through?

Try listening to some players talk about what happened.  You have zero empathy.  This is why you're such a douche bag 

Just tragic.  I'm just trying to figure out how many days off work they are needing here exactly.   

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I assume they will play Sunday, but that's up to them.  You don't get it.  Did you even see the players?  Understand what they went through?

Try listening to some players talk about what happened.  You have zero empathy.  This is why you're such a douche bag 

If this is so much more important than football, then why don't the Bills just shut down for the season? I worked with a dude who died at the age of 45 and it was tragic. Sad. The business didn't shut down though. People went to the funeral and all that goes with it, but work kept going. Why are all the sports people in this country mourning this guy who had a heart attack and not all the other heart attack victims in the country? 

It's over the top coverage of it. 99.9% of the people don't know anything about him. 

[Gepetto 1,469]

They are being puzzies.

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6 hours ago, craftsman said:

If this is so much more important than football, then why don't the Bills just shut down for the season? I worked with a dude who died at the age of 45 and it was tragic. Sad. The business didn't shut down though. People went to the funeral and all that goes with it, but work kept going. Why are all the sports people in this country mourning this guy who had a heart attack and not all the other heart attack victims in the country? 

It's over the top coverage of it. 99.9% of the people don't know anything about him. 

Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest on the field, as a result of a tackle, and all the players watched it, and they stood there and watched their teammate, their brother, lying dead on the field, and they watched as trainers brought him back to life.  This is a traumatic experience for them.

Trying to minimize this by saying "people get heart attacks all the time" is sh1tty.  It just shows how you have no empathy and probability speaks to your character.

No one is saying cancel the season, that stupid, but it's fair for the players to say we can't play this game anymore.  And it's fair to say that we don't need to make up the game either because we have another game coming up and then the playoffs start.

I'm assuming the players would rather skip the game.  If I'm wrong and they are clamoring to play today or next week before the playoffs start, then we will hear that.  But so far there has been zero talk from the bills.

So how about we respect the bills team and not be some emotionless ass hole fans telling them to suck it up and play another game already.

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5 hours ago, Gepetto said:

They are being puzzies.

POS

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2 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest on the field, as a result of a tackle, and all the players watched it, and they stood there and watched their teammate, their brother, lying dead on the field, and they watched as trainers brought him back to life.  This is a traumatic experience for them.

Trying to minimize this by saying "people get heart attacks all the time" is sh1tty.  It just shows how you have no empathy and probability speaks to your character.

No one is saying cancel the season, that stupid, but it's fair for the players to say we can't play this game anymore.  And it's fair to say that we don't need to make up the game either because we have another game coming up and then the playoffs start.

I'm assuming the players would rather skip the game.  If I'm wrong and they are clamoring to play today or next week before the playoffs start, then we will hear that.  But so far there has been zero talk from the bills.

So how about we respect the bills team and not be some emotionless ass hole fans telling them to suck it up and play another game already.

If that's the case they shouldnt get paid for that game. 

[MDC 8,087]

12 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Do you idiots know that the NFL told the players to take 5 and then begin play after the ambulance drove off the field?  And the players and coaches said f that and left?

Now you're telling the players to man up and get back on the field a day later?  A couple of nobody's that have never played sports telling professional football players to stop being puzzies.  Nice job.

You’re a somebody who played sports? 

[craftsman 1,045]

3 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest on the field, as a result of a tackle, and all the players watched it, and they stood there and watched their teammate, their brother, lying dead on the field, and they watched as trainers brought him back to life.  This is a traumatic experience for them.

Trying to minimize this by saying "people get heart attacks all the time" is sh1tty.  It just shows how you have no empathy and probability speaks to your character.

No one is saying cancel the season, that stupid, but it's fair for the players to say we can't play this game anymore.  And it's fair to say that we don't need to make up the game either because we have another game coming up and then the playoffs start.

I'm assuming the players would rather skip the game.  If I'm wrong and they are clamoring to play today or next week before the playoffs start, then we will hear that.  But so far there has been zero talk from the bills.

So how about we respect the bills team and not be some emotionless ass hole fans telling them to suck it up and play another game already.

I didn't minimize anything. I said it was bad. And it was. I didn't say they should have just kept playing at the time. I have no opinion on that. But you are the one who said the following below about this coming Sunday and it's completely ridiculous. Why is it up to them as a whole team to pick and choose when they start playing again? They AREN'T brothers like you were trying to say as a fact. They are coworkers. If someone loses an actual family member, then that person should be allowed to take what time they need off to deal with it. Not the whole company or in this situation the team. Get back to work. Go visit the guy in your off hours. 

 

11 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I assume they will play Sunday, but that's up to them.  You don't get it.  Did you even see the players?  Understand what they went through?

Try listening to some players talk about what happened.  You have zero empathy.  This is why you're such a douche bag 

 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re a somebody who played sports? 

No, which is why I'm not telling a bunch of NFL players that they're puzzies and they need to play this game again, unlike you.

[MDC 8,087]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

No, which is why I'm not telling a bunch of NFL players that they're puzzies and they need to play this game again, unlike you.

I didn’t say they’re puzzies, Dopey.  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

7 minutes ago, craftsman said:

I didn't minimize anything. I said it was bad. And it was. I didn't say they should have just kept playing at the time. I have no opinion on that. But you are the one who said the following below about this coming Sunday and it's completely ridiculous. Why is it up to them as a whole team to pick and choose when they start playing again? They AREN'T brothers like you were trying to say as a fact. They are coworkers. If someone loses an actual family member, then that person should be allowed to take what time they need off to deal with it. Not the whole company or in this situation the team. Get back to work. Go visit the guy in your off hours. 

 

 

And this shows your lack of understanding and empathy.  Football is family.  These men got to battle every week, they fight for each other all season, and yes the mentality is Next Man Up, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I believe they will play Sunday, but I can tell you that since Monday night, not that many Bills players are thinking about the Patriots on Sunday, they're not preparing for the game.  So yeah they should play the game but to think that they left Cincy and started prepping for Sunday and it will just be another game is ridiclous.

[BeenHereBefore 1,669]

It's because it happened in a game and on the field. Had this happened elsewhere or in a accident the games would go on.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I didn’t say they’re puzzies, Dopey.  

I'm lumping all of you together, sorry, you didn't say they are puzzies, you just said people get hurt all the time, get back to playing.  My mistake.

[MDC 8,087]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

I'm lumping all of you together, sorry, you didn't say they are puzzies, you just said people get hurt all the time, get back to playing.  My mistake.

People do get hurt all the time and they don’t cancel the games. That’s a fact. I’m asking why this game was apparently cancelled instead of just delayed. Instead of answering that question you’ve been having a 24-hour meltdown. 

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

And this shows your lack of understanding and empathy.  Football is family.  These men got to battle every week, they fight for each other all season, and yes the mentality is Next Man Up, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I believe they will play Sunday, but I can tell you that since Monday night, not that many Bills players are thinking about the Patriots on Sunday, they're not preparing for the game.  So yeah they should play the game but to think that they left Cincy and started prepping for Sunday and it will just be another game is ridiclous.

So if a player flat gets dropped during the season, the whole team runs and fights for the guy? 

You are just being a drama queen about this. "They go to battle for each other". 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

People do get hurt all the time and they don’t cancel the games. That’s a fact. I’m asking why this game was apparently cancelled instead of just delayed. Instead of answering that question you’ve been having a 24-hour meltdown. 

You think I'm having a meldown?  Have you seen digby?

I answered your question, but I'll answer it again...

The game was cancelled because the players were not ready to get back on that field and play the game.  You can criticize them all you want, but that's a fact.  It was a traumatic experience for them, and normal people will understand this an accept it.

I don't know this for certain, but they probably decided that they also couldn't get back on that field the next day either, so they decided to fly home.

So now it's Tuesday and they're in Buffalo and still getting over what happened the night before.  Hey guys, want to get back on a plane and play again?  Uh, probably not.  We have another game Sunday, let's just regroup and focus on our next game.

OK so no Bill/Bengals game this week.  Well the season is over, so we can't make it up, right?  OK how about we push everything back a week and play the game the following week?  Well that's going to be hard too, going back to the same place, and does it make sense to give everyone a bye week except us?  That's not really fair.

There really is no good answer.  The best solution is just to skip the game, seed based on the games played, and move on.

It makes zero sense to push for this game.  It's just douchey fans doing this.

Again, unless I hear the teams pushing to play this game, then it shouldn't be played.

Any more questions?

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8 minutes ago, craftsman said:

So if a player flat gets dropped during the season, the whole team runs and fights for the guy? 

You are just being a drama queen about this. "They go to battle for each other". 

I'm guessing you've never been part of a team, or you just have a very low EQ, or you're autistic.

[craftsman 1,045]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

I'm guessing you've never been part of a team, or you just have a very low EQ, or you're autistic.

Sure, go the cut down route.  

And yes, I've played football in high school for 4 years as well as track and some baseball. 

I never compared them to soldiers going into war though. 

Have at it tough guy....

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Sure, go the cut down route.  

And yes, I've played football in high school for 4 years as well as track and some baseball. 

I never compared them to soldiers going into war though. 

Have at it tough guy....

Wasn't trying to cut you down, just stating facts.

So you played HS football.  Did you love your teammates?  Did you fight for them?  If you saw one of them die in a game and have doctors bring them back to life, would you be able to continue playing?

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10 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You think I'm having a meldown?  Have you seen digby?

I answered your question, but I'll answer it again...

The game was cancelled because the players were not ready to get back on that field and play the game.  You can criticize them all you want, but that's a fact.  It was a traumatic experience for them, and normal people will understand this an accept it.

It was canceled because the pussification of America knows no boundaries. 

The NFL would have been fine to continue. They have done it 100% of the times in the past. Why the change now? Disney needed the attention?

[MDC 8,087]

5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You think I'm having a meldown?  Have you seen digby?

I answered your question, but I'll answer it again...

The game was cancelled because the players were not ready to get back on that field and play the game.  You can criticize them all you want, but that's a fact.  It was a traumatic experience for them, and normal people will understand this an accept it.

I don't know this for certain, but they probably decided that they also couldn't get back on that field the next day either, so they decided to fly home.

So now it's Tuesday and they're in Buffalo and still getting over what happened the night before.  Hey guys, want to get back on a plane and play again?  Uh, probably not.  We have another game Sunday, let's just regroup and focus on our next game.

OK so no Bill/Bengals game this week.  Well the season is over, so we can't make it up, right?  OK how about we push everything back a week and play the game the following week?  Well that's going to be hard too, going back to the same place, and does it make sense to give everyone a bye week except us?  That's not really fair.

There really is no good answer.  The best solution is just to skip the game, seed based on the games played, and move on.

It makes zero sense to push for this game.  It's just douchey fans doing this.

Again, unless I hear the teams pushing to play this game, then it shouldn't be played.

Any more questions?

Yeah, why does this particular injury/medical emergency mean the game is indefinitely postponed when other games go on under similar circumstances all the time?

Also, why are you so angry all the time?  

[MDC 8,087]

6 minutes ago, craftsman said:

And yes, I've played football in high school for 4 years as well as track and some baseball. 

Don’t forget ballet, Twinkle Toes. 🩰 

[edjr 7,034]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Yeah, why does this particular injury/medical emergency mean the game is indefinitely postponed when other games go on under similar circumstances all the time?

Also, why are you so angry all the time?  

100% of the time.  

[craftsman 1,045]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Wasn't trying to cut you down, just stating facts.

So you played HS football.  Did you love your teammates?  Did you fight for them?  If you saw one of them die in a game and have doctors bring them back to life, would you be able to continue playing?

That's enough of you. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yeah, why does this particular injury/medical emergency mean the game is indefinitely postponed when other games go on under similar circumstances all the time?

Also, why are you so angry all the time?  

Again, I'm not angry, I'm just passionate.

I'll try again.

I wouldn't call this circumstance similar to a torn ACL or a concussion or other injuries.  The guy's heart stopped, and it was life or death on the field while players watched.  You might think that's similar to an ACL tear, but I think it's quite different.  If you saw the players crying on the field, you would know it's different.  We might just have to disagree on this point.

Another aspect that makes this different is the timing.  Monday night week 17, both teams in the playoffs, so the opportunity and the urgency to make up this game is low.

So a combination of the trauma to the players of the injury coupled with the necessity and opportunity to make up the game leads to the decision to skip it.  Again, you don't agree, but I'm simply explaining it to you now for the third time in the simplest forms possible.  If you still don't get it, then I don't know man.