Fantasy Geek Balls League - Season Chatter

[Bier Meister 1,658]

21 minutes ago, edjr said:

now that Keenan Allen might be back, someone offers me a trade for him?  bruh. 

You have to offer that trade weeks ago for it to have any merit 

your box full (you innerwebs slut, you). you need to look at actual production and performance.  several of my offers would have provided you with more consistency and depth... and  wins, while my receiving side would be higher risk/reward. for example...

lockett has been part of one offer.. he is quietly wr10 overall with 13 or more pts in 7/10 weeks

jacobs has been part of an offer: rb6 overall; over 10 pts 6/10 weeks; over 30 pts in 3 weeks

Fournette has been part of an offer: rb10 overall; over 10 pts in 8/10 games; 3rd highest rb in receptions

Walker has been part of an offer: since week 5 (when penny went down); he's averaging around 20/game

 

not offering you chump change

 

[edjr 6,578]

2 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

your box full (you innerwebs slut, you). you need to look at actual production and performance.  several of my offers would have provided you with more consistency and depth... and  wins, while my receiving side would be higher risk/reward. for example...

lockett has been part of one offer.. he is quietly wr10 overall with 13 or more pts in 7/10 weeks

jacobs has been part of an offer: rb6 overall; over 10 pts 6/10 weeks; over 30 pts in 3 weeks

Fournette has been part of an offer: rb10 overall; over 10 pts in 8/10 games; 3rd highest rb in receptions

Walker has been part of an offer: since week 5 (when penny went down); he's averaging around 20/game

 

not offering you chump change

 

I didnt mention any names.  

[Bier Meister 1,658]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

I didnt mention any names.  

not able to reply privately...

[Bier Meister 1,658]

Week 1: twinsdad 169.05

Week 2: Shorepatrol 188

Week 3: Bier 133.75

Week 4: Alias 153.95

Week 5: Bier 170.80

Week 6: Bier 141.3o

Week 7: Bier 158.35

 Week 8: bostonlager: 207.90

Week 9: Bier 148.20

Week 10: Horseman 155.65

Week 11: Horseman 176.65

[Bier Meister 1,658]

Horseman is on a roll.

 

Twice I have played high score.

 

Lowest score of the season for me and I still would have beaten 8 of you 

[Bier Meister 1,658]

Week 1: twinsdad 169.05

Week 2: Shorepatrol 188

Week 3: Bier 133.75

 Week 4: Alias 153.95

Week 5: Bier 170.80

Week 6: Bier 141.3o

Week 7: Bier 158.35

 Week 8: bostonlager: 207.90

Week 9: Bier 148.20

Week 10: Horseman 155.65

 Week 11: Horseman 176.65
week 12: Bier 165.90

[edjr 6,578]

Too late for me to quit?

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 hours ago, edjr said:

Too late for me to quit?

Not when there is a three-way tie for first in our division of losers.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

man, it's been a rough 3 weeks.. 1st to 7th just like that. Last minute lineup changes cost me wins in weeks 10 and 11 and then I played the high score in week 12. It was actually a bit of a game through halftime of SNF, nice win @Bier Meister 

I know it sucks when one division has 4 win teams leading the way and some good teams from other divisions will be left out. I never considered not doing 3 divisions because I have not been in a 12 team league that didn't use divisions in quite some time. I think this is a rare case but I assume we will vote on keeping divisions or eliminating them for next season.

One mistake I did make, although I don't see any setting on yahoo where it could have been altered, is that I have a feeling tie breakers are determined by divisional record rather than total points scored.

Why does this matter?
Total points scored is always the best tie breaker as it is the best indicator of a teams overall strength during the course of the full season.

Example

A KFC team could finish 8-6 with 1800 points scored and a 2-4 division record. A UFC team could finish 8-6 with 1700 points scored and a 3-3 division record. Their divisional opponents were not the same and bye week luck plays a big role in those matchups, yet the UFC team would get the nod despite being a weaker scoring team for the full season. Divisional record is usually meant to be just a throwaway stat, maybe bragging rights at the most. In my ESPN leagues, divisional record is shown but never really counts for anything. 

It can also come into play within a division. Bier has solidly had the strongest team all season but there is likely a scenario where he could finish tied with Shore atop the division standings and not be the top seed despite leading the league in points scored. 

 

 

also for those of you who feel I am droning on, suck my balls . Im just trying to cover all bases and be transparent so we have a good league that continues on. 

[edjr 6,578]

I know it's only $25 but I focking hate losing.  

I don't check the scores during the day, i wait for the games to end.

[bostonlager 2,664]

14 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

man, it's been a rough 3 weeks.. 1st to 7th just like that. Last minute lineup changes cost me wins in weeks 10 and 11 and then I played the high score in week 12. It was actually a bit of a game through halftime of SNF, nice win @Bier Meister 

I know it sucks when one division has 4 win teams leading the way and some good teams from other divisions will be left out. I never considered not doing 3 divisions because I have not been in a 12 team league that didn't use divisions in quite some time. I think this is a rare case but I assume we will vote on keeping divisions or eliminating them for next season.

One mistake I did make, although I don't see any setting on yahoo where it could have been altered, is that I have a feeling tie breakers are determined by divisional record rather than total points scored.

Why does this matter?
Total points scored is always the best tie breaker as it is the best indicator of a teams overall strength during the course of the full season.

Example

A KFC team could finish 8-6 with 1800 points scored and a 2-4 division record. A UFC team could finish 8-6 with 1700 points scored and a 3-3 division record. Their divisional opponents were not the same and bye week luck plays a big role in those matchups, yet the UFC team would get the nod despite being a weaker scoring team for the full season. Divisional record is usually meant to be just a throwaway stat, maybe bragging rights at the most. In my ESPN leagues, divisional record is shown but never really counts for anything. 

It can also come into play within a division. Bier has solidly had the strongest team all season but there is likely a scenario where he could finish tied with Shore atop the division standings and not be the top seed despite leading the league in points scored. 

 

 

also for those of you who feel I am droning on, suck my balls . Im just trying to cover all bases and be transparent so we have a good league that continues on. 

I was looking at playoff scenarios a couple weeks ago. I think the division record tie breaker is a yahoo standard setting and it can't be changed. 

[Bier Meister 1,658]

41 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

One mistake I did make, although I don't see any setting on yahoo where it could have been altered, is that I have a feeling tie breakers are determined by divisional record rather than total points scored.

Why does this matter?
Total points scored is always the best tie breaker as it is the best indicator of a teams overall strength during the course of the full season.

Example

A KFC team could finish 8-6 with 1800 points scored and a 2-4 division record. A UFC team could finish 8-6 with 1700 points scored and a 3-3 division record. Their divisional opponents were not the same and bye week luck plays a big role in those matchups, yet the UFC team would get the nod despite being a weaker scoring team for the full season. Divisional record is usually meant to be just a throwaway stat, maybe bragging rights at the most. In my ESPN leagues, divisional record is shown but never really counts for anything. 

It can also come into play within a division. Bier has solidly had the strongest team all season but there is likely a scenario where he could finish tied with Shore atop the division standings and not be the top seed despite leading the league in points scored. 

 

 

 

I think having divisional record is relevant in determining division winner, then can be relevant again if the only teams left under consideration are in the same division. say there is a 3 way tie for wc at 8-6. if they are not all in the same division, i should be removed from playoff consideration.

[Horseman 2,366]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

man, it's been a rough 3 weeks.. 1st to 7th just like that. Last minute lineup changes cost me wins

1-2 with the two losses by a combined 3 points.  First one I forgot to check the Thursday game when Cooks was out, second was a last minute lineup change.

[Horseman 2,366]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

man, it's been a rough 3 weeks.. 1st to 7th just like that. Last minute lineup changes cost me wins in weeks 10 and 11 and then I played the high score in week 12. It was actually a bit of a game through halftime of SNF, nice win @Bier Meister 

I know it sucks when one division has 4 win teams leading the way and some good teams from other divisions will be left out. I never considered not doing 3 divisions because I have not been in a 12 team league that didn't use divisions in quite some time. I think this is a rare case but I assume we will vote on keeping divisions or eliminating them for next season.

One mistake I did make, although I don't see any setting on yahoo where it could have been altered, is that I have a feeling tie breakers are determined by divisional record rather than total points scored.

Why does this matter?
Total points scored is always the best tie breaker as it is the best indicator of a teams overall strength during the course of the full season.

Example

A KFC team could finish 8-6 with 1800 points scored and a 2-4 division record. A UFC team could finish 8-6 with 1700 points scored and a 3-3 division record. Their divisional opponents were not the same and bye week luck plays a big role in those matchups, yet the UFC team would get the nod despite being a weaker scoring team for the full season. Divisional record is usually meant to be just a throwaway stat, maybe bragging rights at the most. In my ESPN leagues, divisional record is shown but never really counts for anything. 

It can also come into play within a division. Bier has solidly had the strongest team all season but there is likely a scenario where he could finish tied with Shore atop the division standings and not be the top seed despite leading the league in points scored. 

 

 

also for those of you who feel I am droning on, suck my balls . Im just trying to cover all bases and be transparent so we have a good league that continues on. 

Get rid of divisions and division records.  They are stoopid. 

Proof:  Tampa and Tom Brady are going to make the playoffs with a sub 500 record.

[Bier Meister 1,658]

Week 1: twinsdad 169.05

Week 2: Shorepatrol 188

Week 3: Bier 133.75

 Week 4: Alias 153.95

 Week 5: Bier 170.80

Week 6: Bier 141.3o

Week 7: Bier 158.35

 Week 8: bostonlager: 207.90

Week 9: Bier 148.20

Week 10: Horseman 155.65

 Week 11: Horseman 176.65

week 12: Bier 165.90
week 13: Bier 165.20

[edjr 6,578]

I hope your best players planes crash in the sky. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

<===== Losing record. Sole possession of first place in the division.

[Horseman 2,366]

On 11/29/2022 at 3:36 PM, Horseman said:

Get rid of divisions and division records.  They are stoopid. 

Foking retarded.  

Wins / Total Points

Even H2H is better than rando division record. 

[Twinsdad 53]

20 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Foking retarded.  

Our whole division is 8-5 and yet Rusty gets will get in with a 5-8 record, or 5-9 after he loses to edjr.

[Horseman 2,366]

6 minutes ago, Twinsdad said:

Our whole division is 8-5 and yet Rusty gets will get in with a 5-8 record, or 5-9 after he loses to edjr.

Going to be an easy win for someone in the playoffs. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

[Alias Detective 1,389]

12 minutes ago, Twinsdad said:

Our whole division is 8-5 and yet Rusty gets will get in with a 5-8 record, or 5-9 after he loses to edjr.

 

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Going to be an easy win for someone in the playoffs. 

Feels very socialist like...

[edjr 6,578]

If I win I am in?

[edjr 6,578]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Foking retarded.  

Wins / Total Points

Even H2H is better than rando division record. 

I am down for Total points next year. H2H is dumb

[Horseman 2,366]

32 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Feels very socialist like...

I think WW might be one of those types.  Don't worry though, we're all winners, we all get participation trophies at the end.   

[edjr 6,578]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I think WW might be one of those types.  Don't worry though, we're all winners, we all get participation trophies at the end.   

I am proud to say I don't know WW's political leanings and I like that. 

No need to have another reason to dislike him. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

4 hours ago, Horseman said:

Foking retarded.  

Wins / Total Points

Even H2H is better than rando division record. 

 No shiit sherlock, if you read the posts I said it was never my intention and I don’t see a spot in yahoo where it could have been changed. Total points is always the best barometer. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 hours ago, edjr said:

If I win I am in?

Looks like I face you this week, fockface.

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

Looks like I face you this week, fockface.

I knew that. Wasn't sure if I win would do it. I think I beat you already?

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

Divisions are fairly typical in FF. Based on all the crying, it will be changed next year. This was all put together at the 11th hour. 
 

it’s not like I enjoy being 3rd in points scored and likely having to win this week to even make it. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

I knew that. Wasn't sure if I win would do it. I think I beat you already?

You crushed me in Week 1.

So I guess the winner advances!

[edjr 6,578]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You crushed me in Week 1.

So I guess the winner advances!

Seems so long ago my team was decent...

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

10 minutes ago, edjr said:

I knew that. Wasn't sure if I win would do it. I think I beat you already?

 

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You crushed me in Week 1.

So I guess the winner advances!

It looks like yahoo does division record followed by total points. Which means Ed would advance based on total points regardless of your previous matchups. 
 

 

but he will be extra pissed when he wins and cloaca wins and clock advances based on having the best division record.

[edjr 6,578]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

It looks like yahoo does division record followed by total points. Which means Ed would advance based on total points regardless of your previous matchups. 
 

 

but he will be extra pissed when he wins and cloaca wins and clock advances based on having the best division record.

I am ahead of him now, so division record must not matter.

I just noticed I was #1 on waiver wire. :excited: 

[Twinsdad 53]

20 minutes ago, edjr said:

I am ahead of him now, so division record must not matter.

I just noticed I was #1 on waiver wire. :excited: 

Which of the practice squad starting quarterbacks are you gonna take

[bostonlager 2,664]

1 minute ago, Twinsdad said:

Which of the practice squad starting quarterbacks are you gonna take

Brock throws a Purdy spiral. 

[edjr 6,578]

2 minutes ago, Twinsdad said:

Which of the practice squad starting quarterbacks are you gonna take

Riding Josh Allen till he dies. 

[Twinsdad 53]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Riding Josh Allen till he dies. 

You can't quit Josh 

[Bier Meister 1,658]

47 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Divisions are fairly typical in FF. Based on all the crying, it will be changed next year. This was all put together at the 11th hour. 
 

it’s not like I enjoy being 3rd in points scored and likely having to win this week to even make it. 

This is true. All of my 12 team leagues (except for my 2 FFPC teams) use divisions.  It makes sense as it somewhat emulates a conference in the NFL.  These were determined randomly, so i wouldn't say that scenarios like this do not play out that often.  we do see lesser records win a higher seed based on division. 

 

my $.02 is that division record is relevant in determining division winner, and then WC when the only teams involved in the tie breaker are in the same division:

HTH

division record

pts

 

if we were to move to pts as the primary tie breaker, i would advocate for best ball.  when jeudy leaves the game on the first play, the broncos do not play with 10 players in on offense...someone comes in.  

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

36 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

This is true. All of my 12 team leagues (except for my 2 FFPC teams) use divisions.  It makes sense as it somewhat emulates a conference in the NFL.  These were determined randomly, so i wouldn't say that scenarios like this do not play out that often.  we do see lesser records win a higher seed based on division. 

 

my $.02 is that division record is relevant in determining division winner, and then WC when the only teams involved in the tie breaker are in the same division:

HTH

division record

pts

 

if we were to move to pts as the primary tie breaker, i would advocate for best ball.  when jeudy leaves the game on the first play, the broncos do not play with 10 players in on offense...someone comes in.  

I'd probably be out if we went to a best ball format. They can be fun in certain ways but I'm not interested in another league with less decisions to be made. The injury example is a good one but BB leagues don't typically only account for injuries. Literally not having to make any decisions on who to start or sit is much less fun, imho. 

 

I am not in any leagues that use HTH as any form of tie breaker for a few reasons

1. you don't play every opponent the same number of times (this was even more true prior to 2021 when the schedule was 1 less week and you couldn't cleanly play everyone in your division twice without adding a double header week)

2. You can very often end up in a tie with someone you played once, when 3 or 4 of your players were on bye and they had a full strength lineup. 

 

Total Points has always seemed to be the best barometer of season long success. 

 

Other leagues I run use divisional record for division winners, obviously, but tie breakers are simple total points... (believe me, if there had been a clear setting for it in Yahoo, that's how it would have been set up. It's possible I missed it as I don't really use Yahoo, but I don't remember ever seeing an option).... Worst thing that happens is the #2/3 seeds can sometimes have less points scored than a wildcard team and the #3 seed can, in rare circumstances, have a worse record than the wildcard teams.. which we know sometimes happens in the NFL too.