DeSantis and his stupid laws

[The Real timschochet 2,943]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What are you waiting for? Hopeful the subject will disappear? 

Not at all. Just haven’t decided. 
I’ve never decided if I’m in favor of the death penalty either. I go back and forth. 

[The Real timschochet 2,943]

2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Imagine being a little boy 9 or 10, little bit on the sweet side but not ghey, crazy kooked out liberal mom thinks he's a girl because he picked up a doll one time and chops his off. Now he's 16 and wants to fock but he can't. 

I don’t know but have the very strong feeling that sex changes for children under the age of puberty are extremely rare or non-existent. So your example doesn’t give me much pause. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

Liberals think it’s ok to acknowledge a child transitioning at school but not inform the parents.  And we’re supposed to believe they are the ones that put kids first? I don’t think so. “Trans kids have a high rate of suicide”. “Don’t tell their parents “. GTFO. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Liberals think it’s ok to acknowledge a child transitioning at school but not inform the parents.  And we’re supposed to believe they are the ones that put kids first? I don’t think so. “Trans kids have a high rate of suicide”. “Don’t tell their parents “. GTFO. 

What if there is abuse at home and/or the school and kid know there is a high level of intolerance of lgtbq issues in the home?

IMO there are some gray areas when it comes to that.  I get counseling at school without notification.  I could even see something like pronouns/name change, but haven't thought that all the way through.  Anything moving forward with physical changes, meds, etc?  Then it's a no-brainer.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What if there is abuse at home and/or the school and kid know there is a high level of intolerance of lgtbq issues in the home?

IMO there are some gray areas when it comes to that.  I get counseling at school without notification.  I could even see something like pronouns/name change, but haven't thought that all the way through.  Anything moving forward with physical changes, meds, etc?  Then it's a no-brainer.  

If there is abuse at home then report it. It’s required anyway. 

[squistion 897]

32 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Hey sh!tbird @squistion

You were saying? 

Democratic Socialists of America Voted To Establish an Anti-Fascist Working Group.

DSA Antifascist Working Group

92 DSA members hold public office 

DSA

And this is all a deflection because it’s the wrong thread for this. 

Democratic Socialists of America? Never heard of them.

And an Anti-fascist working group is not Antifa or the same thing as Antifa. 

[RogerDodger 797]

33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not really relevant to this thread but it’s a fair question. 
 

The truth is…I’m not sure. I think that with parental approval, in consultation with doctors, it’s OK. Without parental approval I would lean against but suppose the parents are abusive? 
 

Here’s what I know: right wing politicians with their own agenda shouldn’t be involved. They have no business in these very personal matters. But as to whether someone under the age of 18 should be able to have this surgery without parental approval….I haven’t decided. 

I'm not sure....but.....it's OK.

Add in a caveat that it's ok even without parental approval if they are abusive. 

 

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

@The Real timschochet

Are you in favor of trans surgeries for minors? 

You see that Bucky?  That's Tim's way of saying parents that won't allow it are abusive.  

[BuckSwope 654]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If there is abuse at home then report it. It’s required anyway. 

But you can understand how in some cases not telling the parents something could in fact be putting the kids first, right? 

There are reasonable explanations for things that don't require brainwashing, grooming, and lefty agendas sometimes.  

Yes, I think in general we should believe the schools, teachers, and counselors have our kids best interests in mind and are doing their best.  

[Dizkneelande 839]

28 minutes ago, squistion said:

Democratic Socialists of America? Never heard of them.

And an Anti-fascist working group is not Antifa or the same thing as Antifa. 

Never heard of them sure. You all on the left are clowns. 

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I'm not sure....but.....it's OK.

Add in a caveat that it's ok even without parental approval if they are abusive. 

 

You see that Bucky?  That's Tim's way of saying parents that won't allow it are abusive.  

You need to work on your reading.  

He was asking a similar question to mine- suppose the parents are abusive or intolerant to trans or lgbtq.  He wasn't saying all parents who don't allow it are abusive.  

But instead of acting like a 5th grader with that last part, you could ask @The Real timschocheta clarifying question and have him be clearer about what he is saying.  

[squistion 897]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

Never heard of them sure. You all on the left are clowns. 

No I never have heard of them before today and looking them up, they have absolutely no association with the Democratic Party. They are a socialist organization and uses "Democratic" as part of their name. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

Quote

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is a multi-tendency, socialist, and labor-oriented political organization in the United States.

 

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

You need to work on your reading.  

He was asking a similar question to mine- suppose the parents are abusive or intolerant to trans or lgbtq.  He wasn't saying all parents who don't allow it are abusive.  

But instead of acting like a 5th grader with that last part, you could ask @The Real timschocheta clarifying question and have him be clearer about what he is saying.  

No need, he's got 400K posts clarifying his real position on it at FBGs.  No need to play your semantics games anymore.  He's a tranny lover.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

13 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

But you can understand how in some cases not telling the parents something could in fact be putting the kids first, right? 

There are reasonable explanations for things that don't require brainwashing, grooming, and lefty agendas sometimes.  

Yes, I think in general we should believe the schools, teachers, and counselors have our kids best interests in mind and are doing their best.  

So, we are dealing with a behavior that has a high rate of suicide attached to it and you’re making an attempt to justify not  telling a parent that their child is in a cohort with an increased rate of suicide?  No, I do not see how that’s looking out for the kid. Do both, and inform the parents that the kid will be observed for any signs of abuse. I would not have an issue with that. But if I was not informed and my child took their life I’m taking a few lives  myself. 

[RLLD 3,455]

8 minutes ago, squistion said:

No I never have heard of them before today and looking them up, they have absolutely no association with the Democratic Party. They are a socialist organization and uses "Democratic" as part of their name. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

 

Sort of fun to note that this is how liberals work though……pretend the name is the truth and ignore what is underneath 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No it isn’t. By the time we became allied with Joe Stalin, he had already murdered over 30 million people. 

So....more than 8-10 million?

[squistion 897]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t know but have the very strong feeling that sex changes for children under the age of puberty are extremely rare or non-existent. So your example doesn’t give me much pause. 

How many 9 or 10 year old boys have had their private parts chopped off as was suggested here? From what I could find online, there is no record of anyone having genital reassignment surgery in this country before the age of 17.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/ron-desantis/transition-related-surgery-limited-teens-not-young/

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Liberals think it’s ok to acknowledge a child transitioning at school but not inform the parents.  And we’re supposed to believe they are the ones that put kids first? I don’t think so. “Trans kids have a high rate of suicide”. “Don’t tell their parents “. GTFO. 

Additional Note:  Their suicide rate hasn't gone down at all with surgeries and chemicals either.  In fact, it may have even gone up.

That indicates it really is a mental illness.  How can it not be?  The mind is fighting the body.

[squistion 897]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Sort of fun to note that this is how liberals work though……pretend the name is the truth and ignore what is underneath 

Can you give some examples of that? None come to mind at the moment. 

[The Real timschochet 2,943]

17 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So....more than 8-10 million?

Yes. If we’re just talking sheer numbers, Communists are worse. (And that’s not even taking into account other murderous Communist regimes like Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. Thankfully there’s been only one Nazi regime.) 

Yet the Nazis are considered just as evil, or worse, for a very good reason: because they created industrialized mass murder. No other society has ever marched people into gas chambers and exterminated them factory style the way the SS did.

Personally I’ve had relatives who were murdered by both regimes. I wouldn’t want to say who’s worse. It’s not a good list to be on. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. If we’re just talking sheer numbers, Communists are worse. (And that’s not even taking into account other murderous Communist regimes like Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. Thankfully there’s Been only one Nazi regime.) 

Yet the Nazis are considered just as evil, or worse, for a very good reason: because they created industrialized mass murder. No other society has ever marched people into gas chambers and exterminated them factory sty, the way the SS did.

Personally I’ve had relatives who were murdered by both regimes. I wouldn’t want to say who’s worse. It’s not a good list to be on. 

I agree and I was talking sheer numbers previously.  Although, I would say the Communists had the Gulag factory streamlined pretty well too.  People go in, nobody comes out.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Additional Note:  Their suicide rate hasn't gone down at all with surgeries and chemicals either.  In fact, it may have even gone up.

That indicates it really is a mental illness.  How can it not be?  The mind is fighting the body.

European countries, they were  ahead of on this sick bullshit ( they always are) are pretty much putting an end to it. They see the results (no kidding) and yet we still have freaks  defending it and enablers right on this message board. Imagine listening to one of them spout this garbage at a BBQ? 

[Dizkneelande 839]

30 minutes ago, squistion said:

No I never have heard of them before today and looking them up, they have absolutely no association with the Democratic Party. They are a socialist organization and uses "Democratic" as part of their name. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

 

They have 92 members serving public office registered as Democrats and support Democratic policies. 

This you? You seem like a person with mental illness. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-thread.768581/page-228#post-24044198

“AOC is a "Democratic Socialist" not a Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries.”

For a leftist, truth is subservient to two higher values: doctrine and emotion.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

They have 92 members serving public office registered as Democrats and support Democratic policies. 

This you? You seem like a person with mental illness. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-thread.768581/page-228#post-24044198

“AOC is a "Democratic Socialist" not a Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries.”

For a leftist, truth is subservient to two higher values: doctrine and emotion.

Wow. What a fraud this siquistion is. Nice work. 

[BuckSwope 654]

11 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

No need, he's got 400K posts clarifying his real position on it at FBGs.  No need to play your semantics games anymore.  He's a tranny lover.

I've read Tim's work over there too.  His answer here was about what I expected, and is on par with the majority of the left posters there.  I can't think of a poster there who was all in on minors getting surgeries.  

I also can only think of 2 who had trans kids and talked about it much, pretty sure Commish was one?  I also thought his daughter got the surgery post-18 and before college.  A couple others, like me knew people who transitioned or had a different family member.  

[squistion 897]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

They have 92 members serving public office registered as Democrats and support Democratic policies. 

This you? You seem like a person with mental illness. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-thread.768581/page-228#post-24044198

“AOC is a "Democratic Socialist" not a Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries.”

For a leftist, truth is subservient to two higher values: doctrine and emotion.

But there is no affiliation of that group with the Democratic Party. They are a group of Socialists, some who also happen to be Democrats. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

They have 92 members serving public office registered as Democrats and support Democratic policies. 

This you? You seem like a person with mental illness. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-thread.768581/page-228#post-24044198

“AOC is a "Democratic Socialist" not a Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries.”

For a leftist, truth is subservient to two higher values: doctrine and emotion.

Busted.  I haven't seen a take down so effective like this in quite some time.  Good work!

[Dizkneelande 839]

92 members of the DSA are elected Democrats. Sh!thead message board leftist -

“there’s no affiliation!!”

 

[squistion 897]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wow. What a fraud this siquistion is. Nice work. 

AOC was describing her political philosophy, which once again is "Democratic Socialist" not Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries. I don't believe she has ever been a member of the Democratic Socialist organization in this country that is mentioned here today.

[squistion 897]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

92 members of the DSA are elected Democrats. Sh!thead message board leftist -

“there’s no affiliation!!”

Yes, that is true. That group is not officially associated with or part of The Democratic Party, although it does have some members who are registered Democrats. 

[BuckSwope 654]

34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, we are dealing with a behavior that has a high rate of suicide attached to it and you’re making an attempt to justify not  telling a parent that their child is in a cohort with an increased rate of suicide?  No, I do not see how that’s looking out for the kid. Do both, and inform the parents that the kid will be observed for any signs of abuse. I would not have an issue with that. But if I was not informed and my child took their life I’m taking a few lives  myself. 

The high rate of suicide is often correlated to abuse, lack of understanding, lack of acceptance.  So yes, I believe in some cases if it's believed that is what is happening at home it's looking out for the kid and decreasing the odds of suicide.   

Make no mistake, as I said above my personal line stops at any physical or medical changes.  But I could see how telling the parents day 1 no matter what could have disastrous results.  You are really saying that if a kid approached a counselor at school about this, and said they were afraid of telling parents, the first step is to call them to let them know their kid has these thoughts and they are being monitored for abuse? 

I get the feeling some of you underestimate how crappy of a home life many kids have and how much our underfunded school systems have become a catch-all for resources for kids. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

AOC was describing her political philosophy, which once again is "Democratic Socialist" not Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries. I don't believe she has ever been a member of the Democratic Socialist organization in this country that is mentioned here today.

Blah blah. You should team up with whatever Gutterboy is calling himself this week. You guys could make a great team. 

[Dizkneelande 839]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

AOC was describing her political philosophy, which once again is "Democratic Socialist" not Socialist, which she has likened it to the social democracies found in Scandanavian countries. I don't believe she has ever been a member of the Democratic Socialist organization in this country that is mentioned here today.

It’s kind of weird to spend your time on a fantasy football message board posting lies and obfuscation.

WIKI
 

In the 2017 elections, DSA members were elected to fifteen state and local offices.^[1] In the 2018 midterm elections, DSA members Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib were elected to the United States House of Representatives^[2] and DSA members were elected to over forty state and local offices.^[3] In the 2020 elections, DSA members Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush were elected to the House^[4] and at least thirty-six DSA members won office, earning more than 3.1 million votes.^[

[squistion 897]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s kind of weird to spend your time on a fantasy football message board posting lies and obfuscation.

WIKI
 

In the 2017 elections, DSA members were elected to fifteen state and local offices.^[1] In the 2018 midterm elections, DSA members Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib were elected to the United States House of Representatives^[2] and DSA members were elected to over forty state and local offices.^[3] In the 2020 elections, DSA members Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush were elected to the House^[4] and at least thirty-six DSA members won office, earning more than 3.1 million votes.^[

I said I didn't believe she was, I didn't have time to look it up. I stand corrected.

[RLLD 3,455]

54 minutes ago, squistion said:

Can you give some examples of that? None come to mind at the moment. 

BLM, Antifa, Inflation Reduction Act....

You see you can put just about anything under them, and if you question any then you are a racist, or a fascist or a Right Wing Maga or something....its a reliable trick....

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

On 1/24/2023 at 12:12 PM, BuckSwope said:

Again, its an opinion from your side of the aisle and the solution is banning and blocking discussion.   Imo a reasonable solution is to have discussions about the items, talk about when and how it could be talked about, etc.  

Not make illegal to talk about for k-12.  Imo that is censorship of ideas, from what I see from conservatives it's somehow about saving kids.  

No, the book bannings and other bs is not applicable to this specific story, I was using it as further examples from the right of what I consider more censorship.  That sentiment and reaction are not isolated to this topic and I find it troubling.  

I find it funny when you guys pretend as though it's not what is happening to deflect to examples from the left (that 100% are happening and I find equally disturbing).

How come it’s always conservatives being censored on college campuses? 

[RogerDodger 797]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

I can't think of a poster there who was all in on minors getting surgeries.  

I also can only think of 2 who had trans kids and talked about it much.

2 who had trans kids or 2 that had trans surgeries on their kid?  There were at least two who mutilated their children so your first sentence makes no sense. 

fatguyinlittlecoat   

That thread is famous over here, it was mocked often, deservedly.  Guy cut his young minor daughter's tats off.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

2 who had trans kids or 2 that had trans surgeries on their kid?  There were at least two who mutilated their children so your first sentence makes no sense. 

fatguyinlittlecoat   

That thread is famous over here, it was mocked often, deservedly.  Guy cut his young minor daughter's tats off.

Sick

[BuckSwope 654]

47 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come it’s always conservatives being censored on college campuses? 

Lol.  We done with the other conversation? Time to try to pin me in a different corner?   

The answer is most campuses largely lean left and there are too many people looking to shut down ideas they don't like.  That's one if the things i am referring with that last part in parentheses.  

Definitely not something I'm on board with and it pisses me off as much as these other things we are talking about.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  We done with the other conversation? Time to try to pin me in a different corner?   

The answer is most campuses largely lean left and there are too many people looking to shut down ideas they don't like.  That's one if the things i am referring with that last part in parentheses.  

Definitely not something I'm on board with and it pisses me off as much as these other things we are talking about.  

Oh, because the left here seems to be blaming the right for all the censorship in education.  Also, why does the left get college professors fired? I thought the free exchange of ideas was the goal? 

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  We done with the other conversation? Time to try to pin me in a different corner?   

The answer is most campuses largely lean left and there are too many people looking to shut down ideas they don't like.  That's one if the things i am referring with that last part in parentheses.  

Definitely not something I'm on board with and it pisses me off as much as these other things we are talking about.  

You pin yourself. You seriously are your own worst enemy when it comes to having logical conversations. You are simply a nut job who wants into the minds of  children. You should be locked up or put to sleep.