Any of you liberals give a shlt?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

13 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

How about when New York City had a Republican Mayor?  No change?

I’ll answer it for you.  During Giuliani’s eight years in office, violent crime was cut roughly in half and murders went down an astounding 67 percent. A believer in the so-called “broken windows” theory, which holds that minor signs of disorder can lead to an increase in serious infractions, Giuliani also cracked down on graffiti, public urination, X-rated theaters, sidewalk vending, subway turnstile jumping and even jaywalking. Moreover, he implemented a computer-based crime measurement system called CompStat that was later replicated by police departments nationwide. He supported gay rights, gun control and abortion rights while mayor.

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[MDC 7,148]

6 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I’ll answer it for you.  During Giuliani’s eight years in office, violent crime was cut roughly in half and murders went down an astounding 67 percent. A believer in the so-called “broken windows” theory, which holds that minor signs of disorder can lead to an increase in serious infractions, Giuliani also cracked down on graffiti, public urination, X-rated theaters, sidewalk vending, subway turnstile jumping and even jaywalking. Moreover, he implemented a computer-based crime measurement system called CompStat that was later replicated by police departments nationwide. He supported gay rights, gun control and abortion rights while mayor.

Fun fact: Murders in NY had been falling for years before Giuliani took office and continued to fall for years afterward.

Thank you Dunkins Bloomberg De Blasio Adams.  

[League Champion 1,896]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Fun fact: Murders in NY had been falling for years before Giuliani took office and continued to fall for years afterward.

Thank you Dunkins Bloomberg De Blasio Adams.  

WANNA SEE SOMETHING HILARIOUS?

 

 

[zsasz 362]

On 5/10/2023 at 4:56 AM, seafoam1 said:

Or would you prefer to talk about one-offs in Texas? It's a shame the victims weren't firing back in these cases.

Year To Date Chicago
Shot & Killed: 175
Shot & Wounded: 697
Total Shot: 872
Total Homicides: 190

 

How many of these are drug related?

I don't really give a rats ass about drug dealers killing one another.  

[zsasz 362]

16 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I’ll answer it for you.  During Giuliani’s eight years in office, violent crime was cut roughly in half and murders went down an astounding 67 percent. A believer in the so-called “broken windows” theory, which holds that minor signs of disorder can lead to an increase in serious infractions, Giuliani also cracked down on graffiti, public urination, X-rated theaters, sidewalk vending, subway turnstile jumping and even jaywalking. Moreover, he implemented a computer-based crime measurement system called CompStat that was later replicated by police departments nationwide. He supported gay rights, gun control and abortion rights while mayor.

It's a shame the guy went so bat shite crazy; to the point his head was leaking black liquid during that insane presser for Trump.

 

 

[zsasz 362]

On 5/10/2023 at 12:22 PM, The Real timschochet said:

You’re the one that brought it up. 
 

How about this: tell me what policies you believe would reduce violent crime in Chicago. What would you do if you were in charge? 

 

Any violent gunfire crime that results in innocents being caught in the crossfire should bring a ban hammer from God down on the corner boys from the police for a period of time that hurts the profit margins.   If its just criminals being criminals to one another....Meh.

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Fun fact: Murders in NY had been falling for years before Giuliani took office and continued to fall for years afterward.

Thank you Dunkins Bloomberg De Blasio Adams.  

2k a year 4 years before Gulliani.  900 when he was done.  

[MDC 7,148]

Also every year after Rudy Jeff has had fewer murders than in his best year.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

23 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Wait, so history, culture, and economic climate has nothing to do with monolithic political leadership?  Nothing?  Legislative policies have no effect on culture?  Wow!

 

23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You need to be more specific. What “liberal” policies do you believe have increased violent crime? 

Here Tim, if you'd like... I'll start.  If others want to chime in and add more, feel free.  In no particular order.... 

• Unconditional support of unions - Unions force, not encourage or support, but force higher wages.  This leads to lesser quality of work (because unions make it harder to have their members be fired), for an arbitrarily increased cost.  The end result is a higher cost of goods and services that lower income people are forced to pay.
• Demonizing the police - When they do this, it emboldens the criminal element to be more reckless and be a nuisance on society.  The net result is higher costs to repairing or replacing broken or stolen property... again, raising the costs of goods and services to lower income people.
• Not prosecuting crime - Kind of piggy backs off the above, but as these criminals get arrested, the Liberal DA's don't prosecute the crimes.  ON TOP OF THAT, they even go as far as to set a dollar amount as to which they ALLOW people to steal.
• Openly inviting illegal immigrants into their towns.  The rising amount of people in these communities increases the amount of Section 8 housing and decreasing the value of the neighboring properties.  These neighboring properties are generally in lower income areas to begin with, so increasing the number of lower income housing makes it harder for legal citizens to build equity in their current housing.

Above are 4 policies that specifically negatively affect low income earners... whom Liberals supposedly are helping, but are actively hurting them.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

32 minutes ago, MDC said:

Also every year after Rudy Jeff has had fewer murders than in his best year.  

 Boring life, boring troll.  

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[seafoam1 2,804]

1 hour ago, zsasz said:

 

How many of these are drug related?

I don't really give a rats ass about drug dealers killing one another.  

None of them.

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Fun fact: Murders in NY had been falling for years before Giuliani took office and continued to fall for years afterward.

Thank you Dunkins Bloomberg De Blasio Adams.  

How’s the murder rate been the last 2 years skippy?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

 

Was that sign on Martha’s Vineyard?

[MDC 7,148]

11 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

How’s the murder rate been the last 2 years skippy?

About 50% lower than Giuliano’s best year.

What do I win?  

[seafoam1 2,804]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

About 50% lower than Giuliano’s best year.

What do I win?  

Being both wrong and stupid doesn't win you anything.

[MDC 7,148]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Being both wrong and stupid doesn't win you anything.

Lowest number of NYC murders during Rudy’s term in office was around 650 vs. around 430 (2022) and 490 (2021): Link.

You’re welcome.  

[BuckSwope 654]

On 5/10/2023 at 7:40 AM, MDC said:

I give a chit. That’s why I support a national gun registry, universal background checks, and mandatory immediate reporting of a lost or stolen firearm. I also think gun owners should be held  liable if their unsecured firearm is stolen from them and subsequently used in a crime. 

Republicans tell me these are all non starters.  

It's just a dumb b.s. talking point like most things in our country right now.    Most of the time people like the OP can't really answer questions like what their party is specifically doing to stop these types of crimes.   Everybody points to Chicago because it helps their case, but it's crickets if you start talking about why cities like Jacksonville with a R mayor and R governor are struggling with crime or why red areas are seeing rising crime and drug rates, things like that.    

To me the reality is that is what happens when you introduce drugs, poverty, and people close to each other.   But I guess it's more fun to blame everything on R vs. D and actually address things.  

[seafoam1 2,804]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Lowest number of NYC murders during Rudy’s term in office was around 650 vs. around 430 (2022) and 490 (2021): Link.

You’re welcome.  

"Bad people are coming back on our streets. Catch, release, repeat. We have to free up our criminal justice system."

-Mayor Eric Adams

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

39 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

  Everybody points to Chicago because it helps their case, but it's crickets if you start talking about why cities like Jacksonville with a R mayor and R governor are struggling with crime or why red areas are seeing rising crime and drug rates, things like that.    

 

 

There's a difference between being inert versus being complicit. Both can be corrupt and incompetent, but the version that is complicit has pure malice in it. 

Being inert is just plain incompetence. Being complicit ( stupid "bail reform", Defund The Police, woke Soros bought DAs, "racial equity" above all else, identity politics above all else, etc, etc) is openly vengeful towards the every day working class American. 

Pointing out what's wrong with Jacksonville doesn't change the clear and utter stupidity going on in Chicago from a public policy and public administration perspective. 

Shouting "Everyone is bad! Why can't we all just get along!" is the kind of gaslighting you usually only hear in bad couples counseling sessions. 

One of the major drivers of the clear partisan divide is that a large share of the public policy for Team Blue comes from college educated liberals, many with above average earning power and live nowhere near or to the risk factors of many working class people just above the poverty line. It's the same insane pathway that trying to force feed electric vehicles comes from and sounds totally tone deaf. Pete Buttigieg says to just buy an electric vehicle. Most Americans can't afford one. In the circles that Buttigieg has always known, those people can afford EVs, they can afford vacations, they don't see the problem in taking two months off of work for "maternity leave" 

In effect, a lot of "Limousine Liberals" don't really care because they don't see the carnage in their own neighborhoods. But once that changes ( i.e. Abbott and DeSantis busing migrants and criminals into these wealthy areas ) then you'll start to see some changes. 

Activism is malice against working class families. Chicago and Jacksonville share the problem of incompetent leadership and clear political corruption. However it's the hell bent dogmatic adherence to this modern day identity politics fueled activism that's the major critical difference. 

The change will happen when the liberal "elite" find out that they are just as vulnerable to street crime, the subset of illegal immigrants who are here to be criminals , and pure ideologically based violence. 

"Both sides" doesn't work here. It's not discounting the stupidity laced within some Red strongholds, but it's not free pass out of this mess. 

[BuckSwope 654]

18 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

There's a difference between being inert versus being complicit. Both can be corrupt and incompetent, but the version that is complicit has pure malice in it. 

Being inert is just plain incompetence. Being complicit ( stupid "bail reform", Defund The Police, woke Soros bought DAs, "racial equity" above all else, identity politics above all else, etc, etc) is openly vengeful towards the every day working class American. 

Pointing out what's wrong with Jacksonville doesn't change the clear and utter stupidity going on in Chicago from a public policy and public administration perspective. 

Shouting "Everyone is bad! Why can't we all just get along!" is the kind of gaslighting you usually only hear in bad couples counseling sessions. 

One of the major drivers of the clear partisan divide is that a large share of the public policy for Team Blue comes from college educated liberals, many with above average earning power and live nowhere near or to the risk factors of many working class people just above the poverty line. It's the same insane pathway that trying to force feed electric vehicles comes from and sounds totally tone deaf. Pete Buttigieg says to just buy an electric vehicle. Most Americans can't afford one. In the circles that Buttigieg has always known, those people can afford EVs, they can afford vacations, they don't see the problem in taking two months off of work for "maternity leave" 

In effect, a lot of "Limousine Liberals" don't really care because they don't see the carnage in their own neighborhoods. But once that changes ( i.e. Abbott and DeSantis busing migrants and criminals into these wealthy areas ) then you'll start to see some changes. 

Activism is malice against working class families. Chicago and Jacksonville share the problem of incompetent leadership and clear political corruption. However it's the hell bent dogmatic adherence to this modern day identity politics fueled activism that's the major critical difference. 

The change will happen when the liberal "elite" find out that they are just as vulnerable to street crime, the subset of illegal immigrants who are here to be criminals , and pure ideologically based violence. 

"Both sides" doesn't work here. It's not discounting the stupidity laced within some Red strongholds, but it's not free pass out of this mess. 

No,it doesn't.  Just like the constant finger pointing at Chicago and framing the conversation as a liberal problem doesn't address reality.  

Seriously, if Rs aren't doing any better in the cities and areas they control as far as crime, gun deaths, etc, why should people bother listening to them on the topic? 

[seafoam1 2,804]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

No,it doesn't.  Just like the constant finger pointing at Chicago and framing the conversation as a liberal problem doesn't address reality.  

Seriously, if Rs aren't doing any better in the cities and areas they control as far as crime, gun deaths, etc, why should people bother listening to them on the topic? 

Like 48 of the top 50 crime cities are run by liberals.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I want you to prove it. I bet you can't.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Lowest number of NYC murders during Rudy’s term in office was around 650 vs. around 430 (2022) and 490 (2021): Link.

You’re welcome.  

Let me help you out as you’re making an absolute fool of yourself.

During Giuliano’s eight years in office, murders went down 67%.

In 2020, murders in NYC went up 44%, the largest increase in 30 years.

But hey, if you and the Libtard Brigade want to brainwash yourselves into thinking that Liberal policies don't lead to more crime in big cities, be my guest.  I don’t go into those shitt-hole cities anyway.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Here Tim, if you'd like... I'll start.  If others want to chime in and add more, feel free.  In no particular order.... 

• Unconditional support of unions - Unions force, not encourage or support, but force higher wages.  This leads to lesser quality of work (because unions make it harder to have their members be fired), for an arbitrarily increased cost.  The end result is a higher cost of goods and services that lower income people are forced to pay.
• Demonizing the police - When they do this, it emboldens the criminal element to be more reckless and be a nuisance on society.  The net result is higher costs to repairing or replacing broken or stolen property... again, raising the costs of goods and services to lower income people.
• Not prosecuting crime - Kind of piggy backs off the above, but as these criminals get arrested, the Liberal DA's don't prosecute the crimes.  ON TOP OF THAT, they even go as far as to set a dollar amount as to which they ALLOW people to steal.
• Openly inviting illegal immigrants into their towns.  The rising amount of people in these communities increases the amount of Section 8 housing and decreasing the value of the neighboring properties.  These neighboring properties are generally in lower income areas to begin with, so increasing the number of lower income housing makes it harder for legal citizens to build equity in their current housing.

Above are 4 policies that specifically negatively affect low income earners... whom Liberals supposedly are helping, but are actively hurting them.

I think you have a decent point on the union stuff (though curiously the Republicans’ slavish support of police unions is somehow never called into question.) I strongly disagree with your other 3 points, especially the last one: there is no statistical connection between illegal immigrants and greater levels of violent crime. In fact it’s the opposite.  

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

4 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Let me help you out as you’re making an absolute fool of yourself.

During Giuliano’s eight years in office, murders went down 67%.

In 2020, murders in NYC went up 44%, the largest increase in 30 years.

But hey, if you and the Libtard Brigade want to brainwash yourselves into thinking that Liberal policies don't lead to more crime in big cities, be my guest.  I don’t go into those shitt-hole cities anyway.

You actually make a good point here. Giuliani WAS successful at fighting crime, and at dealing with the homeless, which you didn’t mention. And he cleaned up Times Square. 
 

But he did all these things by using an authoritarian police force which often ignored civil liberties. This is basically the Trump approach and I get that it can be attractive because it can produce positive results. But personally it’s not a price I’m willing to pay. And I’m rather surprised that so many of you libertarians, who are desperately afraid of an all powerful state, are at the same time willing to give police whatever power they desire. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Like 48 of the top 50 crime cities are run by liberals.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I want you to prove it. I bet you can't.

Of course they are.    Cities go D, country goes R - this isn't rocket science.     That doesn't mean that the crime is because of the Ds it's because there is population density/poverty/drugs.  It's a city problem, or like I said - you would expect R run big cities in R states to be much better on this issue, and that's not the case.   

The cities on the list you are talking about are also probably a list of the most populated cities in the country too.  I'm sure cities like Chicago and Boston have more crime than bumf0ck Mississippi.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You actually make a good point here. Giuliani WAS successful at fighting crime, and at dealing with the homeless, which you didn’t mention. And he cleaned up Times Square. 
 

But he did all these things by using an authoritarian police force which often ignored civil liberties. This is basically the Trump approach and I get that it can be attractive because it can produce positive results. But personally it’s not a price I’m willing to pay. And I’m rather surprised that so many of you libertarians, who are desperately afraid of an all powerful state, are at the same time willing to give police whatever power they desire. 

Good points by you as well.  I don’t approve of random “stop and frisk.”  

[MDC 7,148]

43 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Let me help you out as you’re making an absolute fool of yourself.

During Giuliano’s eight years in office, murders went down 67%.

In 2020, murders in NYC went up 44%, the largest increase in 30 years.

But hey, if you and the Libtard Brigade want to brainwash yourselves into thinking that Liberal policies don't lead to more crime in big cities, be my guest.  I don’t go into those shitt-hole cities anyway.

If liberal policies lead to more crime, how come there were more murders in NY in Rudy’s best year than any year since?

Take your time and stick to the question

We’ll wait.  

[MDC 7,148]

54 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course they are.    Cities go D, country goes R - this isn't rocket science.     

Simple arithmetic is like quantum physics to Peefoam.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

If liberal policies lead to more crime, how come there were more murders in NY in Rudy’s best year than any year since?

Take your time and stick to the question

We’ll wait.  

Keep waiting Skippy.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

-Mark Twain

[MDC 7,148]

4 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Keep waiting Skippy.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

-Mark Twain

Gun thrown.   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

3 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course they are.    Cities go D, country goes R - this isn't rocket science.     That doesn't mean that the crime is because of the Ds it's because there is population density/poverty/drugs.  It's a city problem, or like I said - you would expect R run big cities in R states to be much better on this issue, and that's not the case.   

The cities on the list you are talking about are also probably a list of the most populated cities in the country too.  I'm sure cities like Chicago and Boston have more crime than bumf0ck Mississippi.  

Retard.  You shouldn’t be allowed to vote. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

59 minutes ago, MDC said:

Gun thrown.   

Boring life.  Boring troll. Adds up. 

[MDC 7,148]

Some rich rich irony.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Some rich rich irony.  

Just did a quick search. In your almost twenty years here you have said “irony” approximately 600 times. Boring life, boring troll. 

[MDC 7,148]

90,000 posts in 5 years. Nearly all of them sissy slapfights, often with 4-5 posters at once across multiple threads.

How’s that for exciting and original?  

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think you have a decent point on the union stuff (though curiously the Republicans’ slavish support of police unions is somehow never called into question.) I strongly disagree with your other 3 points, especially the last one: there is no statistical connection between illegal immigrants and greater levels of violent crime. In fact it’s the opposite.  

In what way have Republican's slavishly support police unions?  Average police officer salaries by state: Link  The national average is a touch under $45k.  Average teacher salaries by state: Link:  The national average is a touch under $63k.  (to note, there are only 2 states where teachers average less than $50k per year... there are only 5 states where police offices average OVER $50k per year).  If you're talking about policy, you'll notice that the Democrat monopolized cities have the biggest problems with crime... it certainly isn't Republican's handling any police contracts in those cities.  Clearly, you are ill-informed.

In my post that you quoted, highlight where I said anything about illegal immigrants and crime?

[BuckSwope 654]

15 minutes ago, MDC said:

90,000 posts in 5 years. Nearly all of them sissy slapfights, often with 4-5 posters at once across multiple threads.

How’s that for exciting and original?  

My fave is within the first couple days he tells me I'm uninteresting and retarded, then continues to follow me and post to me for months.   

That 90k is in 5 years?   someone really needs this board and the prestige of being its "top" poster.   I'm surprised he has the time and energy after following around teens on SM all day.