Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted March 28 40 minutes ago, Strike said: Come on man. @TimHauck and @Mike Honcho are centrists!!!!! Another whiff, I've repeatedly stated I'm very progressive or liberal. Not once on this board have I ever claimed to be a centrist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 681 Posted March 28 18 hours ago, Strike said: When is Letitia James indicting Jon Stewart? https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/real-estate/jon-stewart-found-to-have-overvalued-his-nyc-home-by-829/ A bet you regret posting this just a little bit huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,176 Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Please link to everyone.  From Forbes about Trump saying the law had never been used before(not sure if that's what you heard and misrepresenting it here): Trumpâs claim that statute 63(12) has ânever been used beforeâ is false, with the New York AG using the law to bring lawsuits against such parties as a leasing company, e-cigarette company JUUL Labs and a predatory lender company. The Trump Organization case isnât even the first time 63(12) has been used against Trump and his businesses, as former AG Eric Schneiderman previously sued Trump University under the statute, which resulted in a $25 million settlement in 2018. Everyone@Usv.them.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,176 Posted March 28 6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Another whiff, I've repeatedly stated I'm very progressive or liberal. Not once on this board have I ever claimed to be a centrist. Maybe he inferred as much since you are reasonable and funny as opposed to angry and unreachable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 28 56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: They went back 70 years. Not even a court case that was thrown out.  But itâs not political and liberals are good with it. HT never used before right? RIGHT? LMFAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,879 Posted March 28 Just now, BeachGuy23 said: HT never used before right? RIGHT? LMFAO You are very feminine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted March 28 How did they get around the statute of limitations on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,979 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said: Please link to everyone.  From Forbes about Trump saying the law had never been used before(not sure if that's what you heard and misrepresenting it here): Trumpâs claim that statute 63(12) has ânever been used beforeâ is false, with the New York AG using the law to bring lawsuits against such parties as a leasing company, e-cigarette company JUUL Labs and a predatory lender company. The Trump Organization case isnât even the first time 63(12) has been used against Trump and his businesses, as former AG Eric Schneiderman previously sued Trump University under the statute, which resulted in a $25 million settlement in 2018. ROFLMAO. Would be nice if you responded to what was posted and not what you wanted it to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,979 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: 1) I pretty much answered the question in my reply to @Engorgeous George.  But itâs still wrong and not even remotely similar to what Jon Stewart âdid.â 2) Didnât you post the link to the 92 page document when you were talking with @The Real timschochet ?  But OK, here ya go, as I stated the Mar a Lago piece is on page 67, where the focus is more on Trump valuing it as a personal residence when it is not able to be used as a personal residence https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf 3) You said MUCH of Jamesâs case was based on tax valuations, which is clearly not true.  Even in the document you shared, there were sections for 6 other properties (Trump Tower Triplex, Seven Springs Estate, Trump Park Avenue, 40 Wall Street, Aberdeen, US Golf Clubs).  Mar a Lago was the only one that mentioned a tax appraisal, which once again was not included in the final decision.  Clearly it wasnât much of her argument, this case is not even remotely similar to Jon Stewart selling a property for higher than the tax value. Youâre wrong. I don't know if this is the same document I posted for Tim or not. That was several weeks ago IIRC. However, the reason I had you post it was so that we'd be talking about the same document. I don't want to ASSUME what document you're talking about when you make some vague reference to a 92 page document. I could be thinking of some totally different document. This gives us a common understanding. Now, to the document you just posted. It's about the damages portion of the trial. The document I posted was about the summary judgment motions which decided the guilty/not guilty part of the trial. Totally separate so not sure why you'd expect the same arguments and/or valuations to be included in both. They're completely separate portions of the case. It's not like the two documents overlap in any significant manner other than being related to the same case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted March 28 56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: How did they get around the statute of limitations on this? Where are all the legal experts ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: As it should have been⌠I mean, it is the way the market has worked for.....all time more or less....it is odd to single out one member of the real estate market for accountability..... If this instance is worthy of prosecution, I am confident we can find more.....but less confident anyone ever will, unless of course it becomes politically useful.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted March 28 36 minutes ago, Strike said: ROFLMAO. Would be nice if you responded to what was posted and not what you wanted it to say. ROFLMAO. Would be nice if you responded to what was posted and not what you wanted it to say. Got the link to everyone yet? Was there a trial? The loan that Stewart got that makes it comparable?   I'm sure I'm forgetting more of your non responses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 645 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: A bet you regret posting this just a little bit huh? Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,801 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, RLLD said: I mean, it is the way the market has worked for.....all time more or less....it is odd to single out one member of the real estate market for accountability..... If this instance is worthy of prosecution, I am confident we can find more.....but less confident anyone ever will, unless of course it becomes politically useful.... Yup, itâs ridiculous to single out Jon Stewart because of the natural result of the real estate market. But what Trump did had nothing to do with the natural result of the real estate market. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted March 28 Gender is fluid. Real estate prices arenât. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,801 Posted March 29 13 hours ago, Strike said: I don't know if this is the same document I posted for Tim or not. That was several weeks ago IIRC. However, the reason I had you post it was so that we'd be talking about the same document. I don't want to ASSUME what document you're talking about when you make some vague reference to a 92 page document. I could be thinking of some totally different document. This gives us a common understanding. Now, to the document you just posted. It's about the damages portion of the trial. The document I posted was about the summary judgment motions which decided the guilty/not guilty part of the trial. Totally separate so not sure why you'd expect the same arguments and/or valuations to be included in both. They're completely separate portions of the case. It's not like the two documents overlap in any significant manner other than being related to the same case. The point remains, tax value was only mentioned regarding Mar a Lago, so just one of many properties, and even when it was, the focus was more on the fact that Trump was valuing it as a personal residence when it could not have been. Plus, mentioning the tax value was actually called out (by CNN even!) when it happened as not being reflective of market value - https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/business/trump-fraud-judge-mar-a-lago/index.html Probably why it was not included in the final decision.  While the judge screwed up mentioning it at all, the tax value was clearly a negligible part of the case, not âmuchâ of it like you claimed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 20 minutes ago, TimHauck said: The point remains, tax value was only mentioned regarding Mar a Lago, so just one of many properties, and even when it was, the focus was more on the fact that Trump was valuing it as a personal residence when it could not have been. Plus, mentioning the tax value was actually called out (by CNN even!) when it happened as not being reflective of market value - https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/business/trump-fraud-judge-mar-a-lago/index.html Probably why it was not included in the final decision.  While the judge screwed up mentioning it at all, the tax value was clearly a negligible part of the case, not âmuchâ of it like you claimed. The MAL tax value had ZERO to do with the judgement or guilty finding. Cultist simply grasp onto anything they believe they can in order to try to defend their orange, moron master. Cucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 13 hours ago, TimHauck said: Yup, itâs ridiculous to single out Jon Stewart because of the natural result of the real estate market. But what Trump did had nothing to do with the natural result of the real estate market. The actions of Trump were absolutely consistent with how the market works....moreover, everyone knows this entire pursuit is absolute corruption from a legal stand point, even CNN slipped up and said the truth, Trump actually UNDER values property.....not that it matter what HE values it at, since the banks have the final say....and did.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: The actions of Trump were absolutely consistent with how the market works....moreover, everyone knows this entire pursuit is absolute corruption from a legal stand point, even CNN slipped up and said the truth, Trump actually UNDER values property.....not that it matter what HE values it at, since the banks have the final say....and did.... Weird how he was convicted when you as usual know all the facts despite having zero facts. You cultist are a weird bunch with how you'll try to protect a corrupt, orange, moron who's known for stiffing his workers, stole from his charity, and grifted from his sycophants so bigly he had to pay a $25M settlement. Dude can't run a charity FFS. He stole from a charity, let that sink in. You act like Trump is some bastion of goodness. LOL at you cultist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,801 Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: The actions of Trump were absolutely consistent with how the market works....moreover, everyone knows this entire pursuit is absolute corruption from a legal stand point, even CNN slipped up and said the truth, Trump actually UNDER values property.....not that it matter what HE values it at, since the banks have the final say....and did.... Itâs not normal to lie and say your house is 3x bigger than it really is, or to lie and say your apartments arenât rent-controlled when they really are, or to lie about the number of units that can be built, or to lie about what the property can be used for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Itâs not normal to lie and say your house is 3x bigger than it really is, or to lie and say your apartments arenât rent-controlled when they really are, or to lie about the number of units that can be built, or to lie about what the property can be used for. Wasting your time boyo. Trump could F this dude's wife and he'd be making excuses for Trump. Worst poster on the board next to Peafoam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 8 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: Weird how he was convicted when you as usual know all the facts despite having zero facts. You cultist are a weird bunch with how you'll try to protect a corrupt, orange, moron who's known for stiffing his workers, stole from his charity, and grifted from his sycophants so bigly he had to pay a $25M settlement. Dude can't run a charity FFS. He stole from a charity, let that sink in. You act like Trump is some bastion of goodness. LOL at you cultist. Not weird at all, the outcome was announced before it ever ended....it was always a political move of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 7 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Itâs not normal to lie and say your house is 3x bigger than it really is, or to lie and say your apartments arenât rent-controlled when they really are, or to lie about the number of units that can be built, or to lie about what the property can be used for. Oh yes it is......people are doing it right now.....every day and all the time...and when "I" called it out as a problem years ago, I was roundly lambasted for daring to challenge it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,801 Posted March 29 Just now, RLLD said: Oh yes it is......people are doing it right now.....every day and all the time...and when "I" called it out as a problem years ago, I was roundly lambasted for daring to challenge it.... What you âcalled out as a problemâ was willing buyers paying what the free market determined to be the market price. Lol, it is not normal to say that your house is 3x bigger than it really is on official paperwork. Â Maybe if youâre drinking some Bud Light with Kid Rock in a bar or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, RLLD said: Not weird at all, the outcome was announced before it ever ended....it was always a political move of course. Trump clearly lied and overstated his property values for a loan and understated them for taxes. But it's all a political move? You realize the dude is so crooked he can't run a charity and had to pay his slaves $25M he stole so bigly from them right? This is right in character and a good prosecution. Cultist...SMH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted March 29 24 minutes ago, RLLD said: The actions of Trump were absolutely consistent with how the market works....moreover, everyone knows this entire pursuit is absolute corruption from a legal stand point, even CNN slipped up and said the truth, Trump actually UNDER values property.....not that it matter what HE values it at, since the banks have the final say....and did.... To your actions of Trump, so it's okay to do something illegal because everyone is doing it? He does not under value his properties, that's complete nonsense and proven by actual records. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 645 Posted March 29 16 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: A bet you regret posting this just a little bit huh? Â HE'S BROKE, THEY'RE TAKING HIS HOTELS!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, TimHauck said: What you âcalled out as a problemâ was willing buyers paying what the free market determined to be the market price. Lol, it is not normal to say that your house is 3x bigger than it really is on official paperwork.  Maybe if youâre drinking some Bud Light with Kid Rock in a bar or something. No, that is not at all what I did.....I called out how sellers were over valuing their property......what Trump did here is what everyone does, to varying degrees, and in this instance he UNDER valued the property....but it does not matter what HE values it at....only what the bank does.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: Trump clearly lied and overstated his property values for a loan and understated them for taxes. But it's all a political move? You realize the dude is so crooked he can't run a charity and had to pay his slaves $25M he stole so bigly from them right? This is right in character and a good prosecution. Cultist...SMH Of course it is.....but I consent it would only be this in YOUR eyes should it happen to someone you agree with politically.  So here is the deal, later should it arise that this is done to someone you agree with politically.....and you object....we can do it in unison....because it will still be wrong.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: To your actions of Trump, so it's okay to do something illegal because everyone is doing it? He does not under value his properties, that's complete nonsense and proven by actual records. If it is illegal then the law should be applied to everyone equally....which is why other real estate entities working in NYC find this little game so threatening.....like when the Pelosi's used their position to work the stock market....and no one cared.....you see, for "US" to get justice....we have to wait for a Republican to get caught... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,801 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: No, that is not at all what I did.....I called out how sellers were over valuing their property...... If people were buying them at those prices, they were not overvaluing them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Of course it is.....but I consent it would only be this in YOUR eyes should it happen to someone you agree with politically.  So here is the deal, later should it arise that this is done to someone you agree with politically.....and you object....we can do it in unison....because it will still be wrong.... So you don't think his stealing from a charity and stealing from his Trump University dopes provides adequate proof that Trump's a POS, lying conman who this type of fraud follows? Of course not. You're a cultist.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 645 Posted March 29 Just now, BeachGuy23 said: You'reďťż a ďťżcultist. They got him this time BOYO! Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 Just now, TimHauck said: If people were buying them at those prices, they were not overvaluing them. Like those who worked with Trump?  Did the banks fail in their fiduciary duties as they made a profit through their mutually agreed upon transaction with him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 29 Just now, BeachGuy23 said: So you don't think his stealing from a charity and stealing from his Trump University dopes provides adequate proof that Trump's a POS, lying conman who this type of fraud follows? Of course not. You're a cultist.  Your strawman aside, I think your beef is with the court system, which is allowing what you appear to have an objection for.....to transpire every day for decades.....until of course there was a political value to holding one person accountable.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: They got him this time BOYO!  How much revenue does that POS company generate? Let's check the valuation in 6 months boyo. That money is meaningless until then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 512 Posted March 29 Just now, RLLD said: Your strawman aside, I think your beef is with the court system, which is allowing what you appear to have an objection for.....to transpire every day for decades.....until of course there was a political value to holding one person accountable.... No strawman. Do you believe that someone who steals from a charity and steals from his own dopey sycophants is more or less likely to commit the fraud for which he was convicted. SImple yes or no boyo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 645 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: meaningless Got him BOYO. He's probably at a shelter right now standing in the soup line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
