Knives are killing people!!!

[seafoam1 2,874]

18 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You are the White Trash 

He's so stupid he doesn't even realize it. Liberals. 

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2 hours ago, Reality said:

Too easy... Walking on by.

It’s called a self deprecating joke. HTH

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2 hours ago, League Champion said:

You are the White Trash 

Triggered  

[seafoam1 2,874]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Triggered  

No. You are white trash. Throwing out "triggered" every time you get called out for your dumb posts over the past 25 years of you posting on this site doesn't make sense. 

You are the epitome of white trash.

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

No. You are white trash. Throwing out "triggered" every time you get called out for your dumb posts over the past 25 years of you posting on this site doesn't make sense. 

You are the epitome of white trash.

50,000 posts in a single calendar year. Sad!  

[seafoam1 2,874]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

50,000 posts in a single calendar year. Sad!  

8500 since like 2017. The rest is you making shlt up.

And that doesn't change the fact that you are white trash. 

Nice try at deflection corky.

You've been called out and it hurts you. It shows how you start attacking 

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5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

8500 since like 2017. 

What about your sdiick, Utoilet and Crapman handles? You focking loser!  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,139]

You have to make sure the schools are secure. Especially that the doors are locked. Take it from there. 

[seafoam1 2,874]

Just now, MDC said:

What about your sdiick, Utoilet and Crapman handles? You focking loser!  

Your sexual fantasies I guess. WTF are you talking about. Focking 25 years posting on this site even on vacations and Christmas and Thanksgiving. 

Wow what a lifeless loser. You have absolutely nothing else in your life.

You are white trash. 

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[seafoam1 2,874]

On 7/14/2023 at 9:19 PM, League Champion said:

 

Just wish they would simply just shoot each other. Would solve a lot of problems.

[League Champion 1,896]

6 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Just wish they would simply just shoot each other. Would solve a lot of problems.

It sure would, but we're not supposed to discuss that. 

[Hawkeye21 2,388]

 

[League Champion 1,896]

53 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

An assault revolver That's classic

[cyclone24 1,913]

This is the dumbest comparison. Yeah, he killed six little children with a knife that can’t fight back. It would’ve been 30 with a gun or all of them.

Can we at least be a little reasonable that if you removed guns and all people had were knives, the deaths would go down significantly, because in general, most people are pussies and are not going to risk the actual physical altercation of killing someone with a knife that’s up close, personal and the person actually has the potential to beat your ass and take the knife from you.  Good lord

 

[Hawkeye21 2,388]

14 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

This is the dumbest comparison. Yeah, he killed six little children with a knife that can’t fight back. It would’ve been 30 with a gun or all of them.

Can we at least be a little reasonable that if you removed guns and all people had were knives, the deaths would go down significantly, because in general, most people are pussies and are not going to risk the actual physical altercation of killing someone with a knife that’s up close, personal and the person actually has the potential to beat your ass and take the knife from you.  Good lord

 

Of course deaths would go down.  Deaths would also go down if we got rid of thousands of other things as well.

[BuckSwope 654]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Of course deaths would go down.  Deaths would also go down if we got rid of thousands of other things as well.

But typically we are aren't talking about reducing death overall in the country, we are talking about crime/murder/shooting, and reducing those deaths is the goal.  

Yes, if we are talking reducing deaths in the country as a whole- addressing sugar intake for example is better than talking guns.   If we are talking more specifically like we usually do, well you just said you understand it would reduce deaths.  

What you are telling me and others is that you are OK with those deaths, in the overall view of our country - you are done talking about guns.  

[Hawkeye21 2,388]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

But typically we are aren't talking about reducing death overall in the country, we are talking about crime/murder/shooting, and reducing those deaths is the goal.  

Yes, if we are talking reducing deaths in the country as a whole- addressing sugar intake for example is better than talking guns.   If we are talking more specifically like we usually do, well you just said you understand it would reduce deaths.  

What you are telling me and others is that you are OK with those deaths, in the overall view of our country - you are done talking about guns.  

I prefer to keep our rights and improve the state of our mental health.  I would rather see our country focus on improving education.  Let's work on improving the way of life for everyone.  How about trying to improve our culture?  Getting rid of guns is just a short term band aid in my opinion and not only would it not solve the overall problem, it would get rid of one of our very important rights. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I prefer to keep our rights and improve the state of our mental health.  I would rather see our country focus on improving education.  Let's work on improving the way of life for everyone.  How about trying to improve our culture?  Getting rid of guns is just a short term band aid in my opinion and not only would it not solve the overall problem, it would get rid of one of our very important rights. 

I find the bolded interesting, but let's get back to that.  

First, I will try to remind you yet again, that largely people with your beliefs blame mental illness, but don't seem to be educated at all about it.  So forgive me if I don't take you too seriously when you can't talk about the mental makeup of shooters accurately, can't tell me how that fixes anything with inner city issues, or even know basic facts about suicide and things like that.  But you expect every liberal to know about guns or they shouldn't talk about it.  It's bananas, man - but you are convinced it's the solution.   Now mix that with people who largely hold your beliefs like HT, but then poo-poo even the notion of talking about feelings with kids.    Not sure how you address mental illness without talking about feels, but I guess that reverts back to my other point about not thinking this through and just using it as a cop-out excuse.   Largely, you just don't want ANYTHING brought up about guns and that's it.  

Now, as far as the bolded - I was thinking about this morning.  Why isn't our "gun culture" something that you are interested in fixing as a group?    Maybe you aren't doing it here (feel free to expand), but when I see that it's usually in the context of fixing the culture of "those" people - those inner city blacks with their hip hop music and gangsta ways.    Yes, that's part of it but I look around at the larger picture and largely see a culture that likes to solve our issues with guns, has 0 problems letting kids watch 100s of people get shot up (but don't show them a boobie!!), and largely a lax attitude about acquiring and safely storing weapons.   I've spent too much time in the gun threads and have seen all sorts of nonsense in people's encounters and stories - showing up at the door with a gun in their waistband for a neighbor,  illegally transporting guns across lines,  admitting they don't store their guns safely.   If you don't think that adds to the deaths, I don't know what to tell you.   You all tell the black community to fix their stuff, so I guess I find it interesting when none of the law abiding guns owners call that sh1t out in their group.  

I have haven't even brought up gun bans, just pointing out that you know having them gone would decrease deaths a lot, so we do agree on that.  IMO there are still ways to address that through some regulations that don't involve any sort of ban, but again - I very rarely meet a gun owner in these threads interested in any of that.   Because of that and what I talked above about knowing little about the solution they are suggesting with mental illness, I will stick to my belief that largely as a country we are just fine with those deaths and it's just cost of business of living here.   I disagree and don't accept that.  

[Hawkeye21 2,388]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

 Now mix that with people who largely hold your beliefs like HT, but then poo-poo even the notion of talking about feelings with kids.    Not sure how you address mental illness without talking about feels, but I guess that reverts back to my other point about not thinking this through and just using it as a cop-out excuse.

You are comparing me to @Hardcore troubadour? 

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm against talking about feelings with kids.

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You are comparing me to @Hardcore troubadour? 

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm against talking about feelings with kids.

I am talking about the gun owners AS A GROUP,  and a sentiment I largely see coming from the right side of the aisle, and used him for a recent example.  I think, well thought, you were bright enough to follow the point of my post overall, but you did the usual thing of focusing on a tiny detail that I wasn't even saying, and sidestep the other stuff you could have answered.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,139]

32 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I find the bolded interesting, but let's get back to that.  

First, I will try to remind you yet again, that largely people with your beliefs blame mental illness, but don't seem to be educated at all about it.  So forgive me if I don't take you too seriously when you can't talk about the mental makeup of shooters accurately, can't tell me how that fixes anything with inner city issues, or even know basic facts about suicide and things like that.  But you expect every liberal to know about guns or they shouldn't talk about it.  It's bananas, man - but you are convinced it's the solution.   Now mix that with people who largely hold your beliefs like HT, but then poo-poo even the notion of talking about feelings with kids.    Not sure how you address mental illness without talking about feels, but I guess that reverts back to my other point about not thinking this through and just using it as a cop-out excuse.   Largely, you just don't want ANYTHING brought up about guns and that's it.  

Now, as far as the bolded - I was thinking about this morning.  Why isn't our "gun culture" something that you are interested in fixing as a group?    Maybe you aren't doing it here (feel free to expand), but when I see that it's usually in the context of fixing the culture of "those" people - those inner city blacks with their hip hop music and gangsta ways.    Yes, that's part of it but I look around at the larger picture and largely see a culture that likes to solve our issues with guns, has 0 problems letting kids watch 100s of people get shot up (but don't show them a boobie!!), and largely a lax attitude about acquiring and safely storing weapons.   I've spent too much time in the gun threads and have seen all sorts of nonsense in people's encounters and stories - showing up at the door with a gun in their waistband for a neighbor,  illegally transporting guns across lines,  admitting they don't store their guns safely.   If you don't think that adds to the deaths, I don't know what to tell you.   You all tell the black community to fix their stuff, so I guess I find it interesting when none of the law abiding guns owners call that sh1t out in their group.  

I have haven't even brought up gun bans, just pointing out that you know having them gone would decrease deaths a lot, so we do agree on that.  IMO there are still ways to address that through some regulations that don't involve any sort of ban, but again - I very rarely meet a gun owner in these threads interested in any of that.   Because of that and what I talked above about knowing little about the solution they are suggesting with mental illness, I will stick to my belief that largely as a country we are just fine with those deaths and it's just cost of business of living here.   I disagree and don't accept that.  

Oh my god.  TL/DR. 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

I very rarely meet a gun owner in these threads interested in any of that. 

Well now you have. 

Don't get me started though Buck. You see the people who are killing each other and they aren't exactly model citizens. Follow the gun murder rates and you'll find your solution, if you choose to, otherwise keep blaming the guns. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,967]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

I find the bolded interesting, but let's get back to that.  

First, I will try to remind you yet again, that largely people with your beliefs blame mental illness, but don't seem to be educated at all about it.  So forgive me if I don't take you too seriously when you can't talk about the mental makeup of shooters accurately, can't tell me how that fixes anything with inner city issues, or even know basic facts about suicide and things like that.  But you expect every liberal to know about guns or they shouldn't talk about it.  It's bananas, man - but you are convinced it's the solution.   Now mix that with people who largely hold your beliefs like HT, but then poo-poo even the notion of talking about feelings with kids.    Not sure how you address mental illness without talking about feels, but I guess that reverts back to my other point about not thinking this through and just using it as a cop-out excuse.   Largely, you just don't want ANYTHING brought up about guns and that's it.  

Now, as far as the bolded - I was thinking about this morning.  Why isn't our "gun culture" something that you are interested in fixing as a group?    Maybe you aren't doing it here (feel free to expand), but when I see that it's usually in the context of fixing the culture of "those" people - those inner city blacks with their hip hop music and gangsta ways.    Yes, that's part of it but I look around at the larger picture and largely see a culture that likes to solve our issues with guns, has 0 problems letting kids watch 100s of people get shot up (but don't show them a boobie!!), and largely a lax attitude about acquiring and safely storing weapons.   I've spent too much time in the gun threads and have seen all sorts of nonsense in people's encounters and stories - showing up at the door with a gun in their waistband for a neighbor,  illegally transporting guns across lines,  admitting they don't store their guns safely.   If you don't think that adds to the deaths, I don't know what to tell you.   You all tell the black community to fix their stuff, so I guess I find it interesting when none of the law abiding guns owners call that sh1t out in their group.  

I have haven't even brought up gun bans, just pointing out that you know having them gone would decrease deaths a lot, so we do agree on that.  IMO there are still ways to address that through some regulations that don't involve any sort of ban, but again - I very rarely meet a gun owner in these threads interested in any of that.   Because of that and what I talked above about knowing little about the solution they are suggesting with mental illness, I will stick to my belief that largely as a country we are just fine with those deaths and it's just cost of business of living here.   I disagree and don't accept that.  

That was a whole lotta' word-salad for simply saying: "People who don't vote like I do aren't educated and can't be taken seriously."

Also, maybe we should work on fixing the "anti-gun" culture instead of the "gun" culture.  You ever think of that?

[seafoam1 2,874]

15 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That was a whole lotta' word-salad for simply saying: "People who don't vote like I do aren't educated and can't be taken seriously."

Also, maybe we should work on fixing the "anti-gun" culture instead of the "gun" culture.  You ever think of that?

He learned it from kameltoe harris. She's anti gun but somehow is pro arson given that she bailed out dozens (if not hundreds) of criminals during the year of the 2020 pedocrat riots.

[BuckSwope 654]

32 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That was a whole lotta' word-salad for simply saying: "People who don't vote like I do aren't educated and can't be taken seriously."

Also, maybe we should work on fixing the "anti-gun" culture instead of the "gun" culture.  You ever think of that?

Nope, not at all. You guys are smart enough, just hold yourself up to the same standards as you do your opposition.  

Is there a reason you are quick to call them out when they focus on guns not commonly used in crime or haven't fired a gun but you can't be bothered to know facts about the things you claim are the cause? 

I'm not anti-gun, so sure - I agree that can stop along with calls for bans that won't happen.  If you could be bothered to read my word salad, you would know I'm not anti-gun.  

[seafoam1 2,874]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Nope, not at all. You guys are smart enough, just hold yourself up to the same standards as you do your opposition.  

Is there a reason you are quick to call them out when they focus on guns not commonly used in crime or haven't fired a gun but you can't be bothered to know facts about the things you claim are the cause? 

I'm not anti-gun, so sure - I agree that can stop along with calls for bans that won't happen.  If you could be bothered to read my word salad, you would know I'm not anti-gun.  

Take the loss dude. It was word salad nonsense. Move on to your next battle. 

And head's up, don't say "I have haven't..." ever again. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

Well now you have. 

Don't get me started though Buck. You see the people who are killing each other and they aren't exactly model citizens. Follow the gun murder rates and you'll find your solution, if you choose to, otherwise keep blaming the guns. 

Good to know there might be 2 of you on these boards that do.  

To be clear, my post was about the "mental illness" solution I see from the right.  I think we can agree that solution is not doing much about inner city shootings, right?  

Murder is also a small part of gun deaths, but largely in these discussions, the people arguing with me don't seem to care about suicides or know stats about that.   So they care about mental illness, say to fix that, but don't seem to know or care about it much.   It's their demographic who is one that is killing themselves at an accelerated rate - old, white, gun owners. 

[seafoam1 2,874]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Good to know there might be 2 of you on these boards that do.  

To be clear, my post was about the "mental illness" solution I see from the right.  I think we can agree that solution is not doing much about inner city shootings, right?  

Murder is also a small part of gun deaths, but largely in these discussions, the people arguing with me don't seem to care about suicides or know stats about that.   So they care about mental illness, say to fix that, but don't seem to know or care about it much.   It's their demographic who is one that is killing themselves at an accelerated rate - old, white, gun owners. 

If someone doesn't want to live, why would you want to keep them from taking their life? Don't they have a say in it?  Or is your opinion more important?

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

If someone doesn't want to live, why would you want to keep them from taking their life? Don't they have a say in it?  Or is your opinion more important?

A large portion are kids- we agree they can't make decisions about permanent changes to their body.  Are you suggesting they can make this decision?  Most of the others are mentally unwell, so they aren't making a clear decision either.  

I am for legal assisted suicide for those suffering from incurable diseases, for example.  

[seafoam1 2,874]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

A large portion are kids- we agree they can't make decisions about permanent changes to their body.  Are you suggesting they can make this decision?  Most of the others are mentally unwell, so they aren't making a clear decision either.  

I am for legal assisted suicide for those suffering from incurable diseases, for example.  

My take is, who are you or me to determine people's decisions? I'm all in on having an opinion. But in the end if someone wants to die, let them die. Especially older folks. Younger kids you can ask the right questions to them, but whatever in the end. 

If people, like most on this site, don't believe in God, then why do they have any care about standards of life?

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

My take is, who are you or me to determine people's decisions? I'm all in on having an opinion. But in the end if someone wants to die, let them die. Especially older folks. Younger kids you can ask the right questions to them, but whatever in the end. 

If people, like most on this site, don't believe in God, then why do they have any care about standards of life?

You would have a better point if most of the failed attempts went on to die by suicide later.  

Not sure why a belief in God is required for me to care if people die or not.  Thought it was the opposite and suicide lands you in hell if you believe that, so I'd expect the religious to have more of an issue with the act. 

[League Champion 1,896]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

To be clear, my post was about the "mental illness" 

You'd have to be mentally ill to murder someone, no? Which is my point exactly, "normal" people don't go around killing each other. 

[BuckSwope 654]

22 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You'd have to be mentally ill to murder someone, no? Which is my point exactly, "normal" people don't go around killing each other. 

In the category you brought up- murders, there is a huge range there from accidental to street gang to school shooter and others.  No, I don't think all the murders we are counting are tied to mental illness.  

And again, often when people talk about guns and deaths its not just murder -its overall gun deaths (i understand that is not the context of this thread).  Secondly, I think we would agree most of the murders would be crime/drugs/gang type murders, and I don't see how addressing mental illness largely addresses that subgroup.  

[Nomad99 717]

10 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

This is the dumbest comparison. Yeah, he killed six little children with a knife that can’t fight back. It would’ve been 30 with a gun or all of them.

Can we at least be a little reasonable that if you removed guns and all people had were knives, the deaths would go down significantly, because in general, most people are pussies and are not going to risk the actual physical altercation of killing someone with a knife that’s up close, personal and the person actually has the potential to beat your ass and take the knife from you.  Good lord

 

A "reasonable " person would understand that taking a tool from a responsible user, in no way inhibits an unlawful user from obtaining & using said tool for nefarious purposes. If you don't have the capacity to understand simple concepts you shouldn't stand at the pulpit preaching.......

[seafoam1 2,874]

18 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

A "reasonable " person would understand that taking a tool from a responsible user, in no way inhibits an unlawful user from obtaining & using said tool for nefarious purposes. If you don't have the capacity to understand simple concepts you shouldn't stand at the pulpit preaching.......

No liberal replies.....

 

[BuckSwope 654]

10 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

This is the dumbest comparison. Yeah, he killed six little children with a knife that can’t fight back. It would’ve been 30 with a gun or all of them.

Can we at least be a little reasonable that if you removed guns and all people had were knives, the deaths would go down significantly, because in general, most people are pussies and are not going to risk the actual physical altercation of killing someone with a knife that’s up close, personal and the person actually has the potential to beat your ass and take the knife from you.  Good lord

 

 

31 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

A "reasonable " person would understand that taking a tool from a responsible user, in no way inhibits an unlawful user from obtaining & using said tool for nefarious purposes. If you don't have the capacity to understand simple concepts you shouldn't stand at the pulpit preaching.......

 

11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

No liberal replies.....

 

In his post, his hypothetical was to have ALL people with knives, so the zinger gotcha is a bit dumb.  

No "lib" replies in 30mins, we won!!!

[seafoam1 2,874]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

 

 

In his post, his hypothetical was to have ALL people with knives, so the zinger gotcha is a bit dumb.  

No "lib" replies in 30mins, we won!!!

"we won? "

Dear Lord you need a life.

 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

"we won? "

Dear Lord you need a life.

 

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