The Comments Section With Brett Cooper: "Tipping Is Out Of Control"

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s not racist to say that blacks on average tip less.  It’s racist to say/imply that all backs don’t tip.

HTH

 

 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,524]

On 10/22/2023 at 7:41 AM, TimHauck said:

I think he’s more happy about not having to tip than being able to pay on a wireless device?

Yeah, maybe. 

[Mike Hunt 275]

19 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

Race Differences in Restaurant Tipping: A Literature Review and Discussion of Practical Implications

African Americans are widely perceived within the restaurant industry as poor tippers. A recent survey of more than a thousand servers from across the United States found that more than 65 percent rated African Americans as “below average tippers” (McCall and Lynn 2009, see also Brewster 2012). These perceptions have important consequences for black consumers and restaurant servers as well as managers and executives in the restaurant industry. 

....a Cornell University associate professor says: Research indicates that African Americans, on average, leave smaller tips for servers than whites do and that they’re more likely to leave nothing.....Expecting skimpy gratuities, waiters resist serving African Americans, or they provide poorer service, which discourages blacks from patronizing table-service restaurants. Low tips also make it hard for restaurants in black neighborhoods to attract and retain staff, causing turnover and decreasing profits.....“It’s a problem the industry knows about,” says Lynn, who is white. “But the big players with money are afraid to address the issue. They’re afraid of being labeled racist.”

But even when black and white customers are in the same socioeconomic class or rate the quality of service equally, he says, several studies by himself and others found that they tip differently. Black diners average 10.9% to 14.7% of the bill, and white diners average 16.6% to 19.4%, depending on the study. The server’s race didn’t matter.....Black subjects are also more likely than whites to say they never tip servers (6% versus 2%, in one study) and to leave tips as flat-dollar amounts instead of percentages of the bill (50.7% versus 19.4%, in one study)....

https://ecommons.cornell.edu/items/fb91573a-c579-4062-967c-1f291a8714d3/full

https://ecommons.cornell.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/c4ded1f5-049c-4a1d-9c9c-3cba71030e6c/content

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-mar-26-tr-insider26-story.html

Anyone in the service industry knows the facts.

It is not racist, it is more a cultural issue.  

[TimHauck 2,728]

30 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Anyone in the service industry knows the facts.

It is not racist, it is more a cultural issue.  

So no blacks are good tippers?

[seafoam1 2,924]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So no blacks are good tippers?

Less % blacks tip decently. It's a fact. They mostly are also terrible people to wait on in general. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

idk or care why this thread was bumped but the tipping stuff is an issue. Tipping should be reserved for delivery, sit down dining and your bartender. 

 

Took 2 trips to Spain this year and the culture there is so different. Tipping is not a thing. You tap your card, they give you your receipt, the end. Nothing to sign, no place to even leave a tip. and most places are actually insulted if you leave a cash tip on the table. And yet all the employees are happier than their American counterparts. 

[seafoam1 2,924]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

idk or care why this thread was bumped but the tipping stuff is an issue. Tipping should be reserved for delivery, sit down dining and your bartender. 

 

Took 2 trips to Spain this year and the culture there is so different. Tipping is not a thing. You tap your card, they give you your receipt, the end. Nothing to sign, no place to even leave a tip. and most places are actually insulted if you leave a cash tip on the table. And yet all the employees are happier than their American counterparts. 

They are? How are you measuring this?

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

They are? How are you measuring this?

with my eyes and ears.  as well as what i've been told by friends and family who either currently live or have lived in the country. 

If you want to be your usual bitvh self, I will edit my post to say their employees are generally happier instead of saying ALL of them are 

[seafoam1 2,924]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

with my eyes and ears.  as well as what i've been told by friends and family who either currently live or have lived in the country. 

If you want to be your usual bitvh self, I will edit my post to say their employees are generally happier instead of saying ALL of them are 

You just don't know us all. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Idiot. 

you try so hard 

[seafoam1 2,924]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

you try so hard 

You obviously don't. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

You obviously don't. 

13,600 posts in 6 years on one alias alone     Life loser.  There has to be professional help you can seek out 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

Tipping is supposed to be for people who don’t make minimum wage, no one else

[seafoam1 2,924]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

13,600 posts in 6 years on one alias alone     Life loser.  There has to be professional help you can seek out 

33000+ posts. Life loser. There is no help you could seek that would actually help you. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You just don't know us all. 

Us? do you work in the food service industry?  You know, since that's what this thread is about and hence the employees I am referring to? 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

So no blacks are good tippers?

 

 

 

Woman fired from Outback Steakhouse after complaining that church didn’t leave tip

.....A Florida Outback Steakhouse worker says she filled a local megachurch’s $735 takeout order and then was fired when she ranted on social media about not getting a tip.....“We take the order over the phone, we put the order together, take payment and then take order to the car,” Tamlynn Yoder, 25, of Lake Park, told the Palm Beach Post. “It’s a lot of work just as much as serving.”....Christ Fellowship Church in Palm Beach Gardens was holding a conference and called in an order to the local Outback Wednesday for 25 steak dinners, 25 chicken dinners and 25 side orders of potatoes that Yoder said she had to prepare, costing her other tips.

“I brought it out, put it in the car,” Yoder told Miami Fox affiliate WSVN-TV. “We received the payment. There was no gratuity. I got upset. I posted a post on Facebook about the church not leaving a gratuity tip.”....A friend read her post and called the church to complain and was told that the person who picked up the food didn’t know to leave a tip.....“Coming in to eat or takeout, you should automatically be wanting to tip 15 percent,” Yoder said. “From there, you either go up or go down based on service.”....A church representative called the restaurant ....Nevertheless, she was shown the door.

“We did not call the restaurant to have her fired, we wanted to get the situation resolved,” church official David Lonsberry told the Palm Beach Post.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/woman-fired-from-outback-steakhouse-after-complaining-that-church-didnt-leave-tip/

[seafoam1 2,924]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Us? do you work in the food service industry?  You know, since that's what this thread is about and hence the employees I am referring to? 

Oh no!! Typo police!!!! People that work minimum wage jobs trying to sound smart!!! 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

33000+ posts. Life loser. There is no help you could seek that would actually help you. 

Allow me to teach you some math, old man.

33,400 posts in 18 years =  1855 per year.     13,600 posts in 6 years = 2,226 per year     and that's not even factoring in your multiple high post count aliases   Truly pathetic 

[seafoam1 2,924]

ya ga ga 

TIL Scottie Pippen is so cheap that restaurant workers had given him the nickname "No Tippin' Pippen"

 

[seafoam1 2,924]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Allow me to teach you some math, old man.

33,400 posts in 18 years =  1855 per year.     13,600 posts in 6 years = 2,226 per year     and that's not even factoring in your multiple high post count aliases   Truly pathetic 

33000+ posts in the past year alone. Loser. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

So no blacks are good tippers?

 

 

View from FSU: Why black people don't tip

....One of the biggest stereotypes in the service industry is that black people don’t tip well. That stereotype, however, according to a few different studies that use different methodologies and different areas, has some basis in reality.....On average, according to the Washington Post, black people tip less than white people in U.S. restaurants. A recent survey of about 1,000 restaurant servers found that 70% thought black diners/patrons were “very bad” or “below average” tippers, meanwhile those same people surveyed believe that 98% of white diners were at least “average” tippers.

Working in the service industry, I can attest to the fact that there is a negative perception about black people’s tipping....Being a server in a restaurant is a unique experience. It is also very different compared to working other jobs. Most servers get paid $2.13 an hour .....The majority of servers rely on the tips they make from diners to pay their bills. In some restaurants, servers tip out a percentage of their total sales to busboys or hosts and bartenders, meaning that if a table doesn’t tip their waiter, not only has a server worked essentially for free, a server may have to pay a host or bartender for that table.

.....When you go out to eat in a restaurant, it is customary to tip at least 15-20 percent. Research from Cornell University has shown that 70% of whites know that compared to only 35% of blacks. .....Tips are a server’s livelihood. Education, awareness, and relatability are three ways to bridge the gap....

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/opinion/2017/04/07/view-from-fsu-why-black-people-dont-tip/21397169007/

[seafoam1 2,924]

2 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

View from FSU: Why black people don't tip

....One of the biggest stereotypes in the service industry is that black people don’t tip well. That stereotype, however, according to a few different studies that use different methodologies and different areas, has some basis in reality.....On average, according to the Washington Post, black people tip less than white people in U.S. restaurants. A recent survey of about 1,000 restaurant servers found that 70% thought black diners/patrons were “very bad” or “below average” tippers, meanwhile those same people surveyed believe that 98% of white diners were at least “average” tippers.

Working in the service industry, I can attest to the fact that there is a negative perception about black people’s tipping....Being a server in a restaurant is a unique experience. It is also very different compared to working other jobs. Most servers get paid $2.13 an hour .....The majority of servers rely on the tips they make from diners to pay their bills. In some restaurants, servers tip out a percentage of their total sales to busboys or hosts and bartenders, meaning that if a table doesn’t tip their waiter, not only has a server worked essentially for free, a server may have to pay a host or bartender for that table.

.....When you go out to eat in a restaurant, it is customary to tip at least 15-20 percent. Research from Cornell University has shown that 70% of whites know that compared to only 35% of blacks. .....Tips are a server’s livelihood. Education, awareness, and relatability are three ways to bridge the gap....

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/opinion/2017/04/07/view-from-fsu-why-black-people-dont-tip/21397169007/

No question about it. And it's all objective opinions that tell the truth. 

[RogerDodger 798]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Allow me to teach you some math, old man.

33,400 posts in 18 years =  1855 per year.     13,600 posts in 6 years = 2,226 per year     and that's not even factoring in your multiple high post count aliases   Truly pathetic 

That's 5 posts per day compared to 6.  It's not the big deal you're trying to make it.  Certainly not enough difference to suggest one needs professional help as compared to the other.  

[seafoam1 2,924]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

That's 5 posts per day compared to 6.  It's not the big deal you're trying to make it.  Certainly not enough difference to suggest one needs professional help as compared to the other.  

Exactly. And.... he forgets, that those posts of his 33000+ are not evenly distributed. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

4 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

That's 5 posts per day compared to 6.  It's not the big deal you're trying to make it.  Certainly not enough difference to suggest one needs professional help as compared to the other.  

Sure, if you want to pretend he doesn't have 3-4 other high post count aliases 

[TimHauck 2,728]

4 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

That's 5 posts per day compared to 6.  It's not the big deal you're trying to make it.  Certainly not enough difference to suggest one needs professional help as compared to the other.  

Now add in Utoilet, crapman, peefoam without the 1, sderk, etc etc.  Utoilet alone had 26k.

[seafoam1 2,924]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Now add in Utoilet, crapman, peefoam without the 1, sderk, etc etc.  Utoilet alone had 26k.

Sure nonuts. Add in everyone that makes no sense to add in. That's a very liberal got his feelers hurt take. 

[RogerDodger 798]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sure, if you want to pretend he doesn't have 3-4 other high post count aliases 

 

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Now add in Utoilet, crapman, peefoam without the 1, sderk, etc etc.  Utoilet alone had 26k.

Then just start with that instead of discounting it.  The cack comparing math exercise was pointless.  

 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

 

Then just start with that instead of discounting it.  The cack comparing math exercise was pointless.  

 

 

21 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Allow me to teach you some math, old man.

33,400 posts in 18 years =  1855 per year.     13,600 posts in 6 years = 2,226 per year     and that's not even factoring in your multiple high post count aliases   Truly pathetic 

 

   I thought I pretty clearly made a point of it

[seafoam1 2,924]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

   I thought I pretty clearly made a point of it

You think of a lot of uneducated thoughts. 

[seafoam1 2,924]

You can always tell who are the cheap uneducated low class citizens of this country by their take on tipping. It's always "Europe!!! They do it better!!!"

Thing is, they don't know anything about the business so they never bring it into terms of  dollars made by employees vs. what they would have to pay for a steak in a restaurant if they got their wish. 

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You can always tell who are the cheap uneducated low class citizens of this country by their take on tipping. It's always "Europe!!! They do it better!!!"

Thing is, they don't know anything about the business so they never bring it into terms of  dollars made by employees vs. what they would have to pay for a steak in a restaurant if they got their wish. 

so off base, as per usual

[TimHauck 2,728]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

so off base, as per usual

What are restaurant prices over there anyway?  Comparable to here?  Comparable +15-20%?

[WhiteWonder 2,723]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What are restaurant prices over there anyway?  Comparable to here?  Comparable +15-20%?

less expensive compared to a similar type/quality place over here pretty much across the board.  Drinks at a sports bar are fairly cheaper than here (at least in the tri state area).  A nice sit down breakfast over there for 2 might run you 25 euros. Part of the difference is cultural as they eat at different times and smaller meals more often. Food culture is big and yet they d so much walking everywhere, most of the locals (in the cities) are in pretty good shape. 

 I have had dinner at a place called Botin in Madrid that was more comparable to here in terms of price but its kind of a tourist trap type thing. Definitely a great place to eat but they overcharge because it's claimed to be the oldest restaurant in the world (I doubt it) where Hemingway spent a lot of time. 

[seafoam1 2,924]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

less expensive compared to a similar type/quality place over here pretty much across the board.  Drinks at a sports bar are fairly cheaper than here (at least in the tri state area).  A nice sit down breakfast over there for 2 might run you 25 euros. I have had dinner at a place called Botin in Madrid that was more comparable to here in terms of price but its kind of a tourist trap type thing. Definitely a great place to eat but they overcharge because it's claimed to be the oldest restaurant in the world (I doubt it) where Hemingway spent a lot of time. 

[avoiding injuries 1,562]

B!tchguy23 put up a good fight until all the articles and stats started to come out. Now he’s missing. Lol

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,035]

6 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

B!tchguy23 put up a good fight until all the articles and stats started to come out. No he’s missing. Lol

When all you got is DNC Glory Hole Talking Points, fleeing is always the first and only option when you have to defend the indefensible. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

16 dollar burgers. 20 with tax and tip. Thanks Biden. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,035]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

16 dollar burgers. 20 with tax and tip. Thanks Biden. 

Don't forget to tip!!!!!

[seafoam1 2,924]

People who fight against tipping in restaurants would be the first to whine about table service and food/drink prices if restaurants had to start paying waiters $30 an hour. And anyone who thinks that people will want to wait tables on a busy night for $15 an hour has never done the job before.