Illinois sheriffs prepare for 'America's most dangerous law' to come into effect

[seafoam1 2,802]

In my 20s I used to be poor as anyone in th US and lived paycheck to paycheck and was up to my ears in debt. You know what I never whined about? Having to pay bail. 

Dear Lord, what a bunch low life dumbasses that think it's targeting low income people. 

[BuckSwope 654]

13 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

The broken light is a valid reason for the stop. Why have codes if we aren't going to enforce them? 

Should it make a difference to the cop if the car he is stopping for a taillight out is a Mercedes or a pos Datsun? 

DUI checkpoints on a holiday weekend are what I call a "fund raiser" but they also take drunk drivers off the road. 

I don't see the problem. 

I know, that's why we disagree here. 

I don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions.  I believe it's an overused technique (using that as an excuse to stop and look for something bigger- guns, drugs, etc) that while effective in very specific examples (high crime areas at night, for example or your example of DUI traps on New Years), it's been shown to be ineffective elsewhere.  

No, I don't think they are only pulling over pos Datsuns vs Mercedes, I am saying that the pos Datsun is more likely to have the issue in the first place and that lower income person is more likely to be stopped and more effected by the fine/court date than the Mercedes driver.  

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

As you said in the last sentence, policing based on tacky-tak policing often results in finding the offender has outstanding warrants. That used to be called good police work. 

Unless you believe they can't afford it, I don't understand why the lower class is more likely to be driving with things like a broken light, whatever. I own a 2012 Ford Escape & it tells me when I have a burnt out turn signal bulb, burnt out headlight, tail light, etc. When that happens, I go to O'Reilly auto, buy the replacement part, & fix it. For license plate tabs/stickers, in my state you get a notice in the mail about 1.5 months before they expire. To order new ones, you have plenty of choices. Go to the local DPS office in person, send them a check, or go online and order.

I think it's laziness more than anything else.

But that's not good enough for the Democrats, at least not in my state. Because African-Americans are pulled over more often for things like expired tabs, broken tail light, bulbs, etc., they come up with asinine rules for local law-enforcement. When an officer sees someone with one of the aforementioned violations, they are only supposed to make note of the license plate number & contact the registered owner. The attorney general in Ramsey county (St. Paul MN) said he wouldn't prosecute any felonies that were initiated by an officer pulling someone over for any of the aforementioned reasons. How the fock can that even be legal? How the hell can an AG in one of the biggest counties in Minnesota, say he isn't going to prosecute felonies ?

Here's one 'mostly' for African-Americans. How can you not know that you have illegal window tint ? 

So focking dark you can't see anything inside even in broad daylight!

Yet they wonder why they get pulled over so often.

Yes, in specific areas and times.  I agree.  Most crime in a city is often focused in neighborhoods and even certain streets, blocks, and times.  Some places it's so focused that 3-5% of the city accounts for 50% of the crime we are trying to crack down on.  That type of policing was shown to drop crime a bit, again- in those areas and situations.  Hell, even runners of those studies and experiments said not to apply that outside those zones or say, at 3pm.  

But all that requires and actual discussion and thinking about the stats.  We can't have anything like that in 2023, so anybody even hinting at cutting anything- it's either 100% continue like this or you are pro-crime and criminal!  

[Reality 3,097]

13 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I know, that's why we disagree here. 

I don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions.  I believe it's an overused technique (using that as an excuse to stop and look for something bigger- guns, drugs, etc) that while effective in very specific examples (high crime areas at night, for example or your example of DUI traps on New Years), it's been shown to be ineffective elsewhere.  

No, I don't think they are only pulling over pos Datsuns vs Mercedes, I am saying that the pos Datsun is more likely to have the issue in the first place and that lower income person is more likely to be stopped and more effected by the fine/court date than the Mercedes driver.  

This is so focking stupid. If your car isn't legal, it's unsafe. Do these people really exist or is this just somebody focking with us?

I can't get over how asinine some of these comments are.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, they technically are doing that.  That's not in debate either.  

To me the "why" is the important part, and if that should be the police role (making a minor infraction a reason for a stop and not a ticket, for example). 

I understand why cities continue to police this way- it's a revenue stream.  I don't like government bloat, so I would like a more focused and trained force targeting actual criminals and high crime areas.   That type of policing is effective in only select areas, but we largely use it as a blunt hammer.  I'd like it to change, you say don't drive unless your car is 100% up to city code. 

Wow. You think big cities , like NYC run a profit arresting people. That’s. Completely ridiculous. If it weren’t , there wouldn’t be overtime controls for arrests. But what do I know? 

[seafoam1 2,802]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

This is so focking stupid. If your car isn't legal, it's unsafe. Do these people really exist or is this just somebody focking with us?

I can't get over how asinine some of these comments are.

They go from their climate crisis rallies to whining about someone getting pulled over for not having a valid car inspection sticker. 

Just mind boggling. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wow. You think big cities , like NYC run a profit arresting people. That’s. Completely ridiculous. If it weren’t , there wouldn’t be overtime controls for arrests. But what do I know? 

C'mon now. It's a massive revenue stream benefitting the democrat run, most violent cities in the country and that's why they are dirt shlt poor. And that's why he will keep voting democrat. 

[weepaws 3,157]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

C'mon now. It's a massive revenue stream benefitting the democrat run, most violent cities in the country and that's why they are dirt shlt poor. And that's why I  will keep voting democrat. 

 

[bostonlager 2,664]

27 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I know, that's why we disagree here. 

I don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions.  I believe it's an overused technique (using that as an excuse to stop and look for something bigger- guns, drugs, etc) that while effective in very specific examples (high crime areas at night, for example or your example of DUI traps on New Years), it's been shown to be ineffective elsewhere.  

No, I don't think they are only pulling over pos Datsuns vs Mercedes, I am saying that the pos Datsun is more likely to have the issue in the first place and that lower income person is more likely to be stopped and more effected by the fine/court date than the Mercedes driver.  

I hate these threads that have ruined our once great board, but I have an honest question. Do you think it should be legal to have non-working headlights, tail lights etc? If not, who is going to enforce these laws if not the police?

[weepaws 3,157]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

See how that works homo?

Yea , you said your gay and like really young kids, arsehole.  See how this is working. Fokhead. 

Just give me an address so we can go face to face puzzy boy. 

[weepaws 3,157]

30 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

In my 20s I used to be poor as anyone in th US and lived paycheck to paycheck and was up to my ears in debt. You know what I never whined about? Having to pay bail. 

Dear Lord, what a bunch low life dumbasses that think it's targeting low income people. 

Don’t use the Lord name in vain. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

This is so focking stupid. If your car isn't legal, it's unsafe. Do these people really exist or is this just somebody focking with us?

I can't get over how asinine some of these comments are.

What I think is stupider is putting cops in charge of this.  It's been shown to decrease trust, decrease their safety, and it's largely a waste of time.  

If we think it's that unsafe of an infraction- by all means fine them, we have ways to do that, which doesn't require a cop pull over and interaction.  

They are largely fishing for other things, not keeping us safe from broken turn signals that nobody uses anyway. 

If you all don't agree that they are largely looking for other stuff and/or being asked for quota fulfillment, I don't know what to tell you besides we might as well not talk about the issue. 

 

[seafoam1 2,802]

5 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

I hate these threads that have ruined our once great board, but I have an honest question. Do you think it should be legal to have non-working headlights, tail lights etc? If not, who is going to enforce these laws if not the police?

Maxine waters has a solution.

 

[Reality 3,097]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What I think is stupider is putting cops in charge of this.  It's been shown to decrease trust, decrease their safety, and it's largely a waste of time.  

If we think it's that unsafe of an infraction- by all means fine them, we have ways to do that, which doesn't require a cop pull over and interaction.  

They are largely fishing for other things, not keeping us safe from broken turn signals that nobody uses anyway. 

If you all don't agree that they are largely looking for other stuff and/or being asked for quota fulfillment, I don't know what to tell you besides we might as well not talk about the issue. 

 

You're an idiot.

[seafoam1 2,802]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What I think is stupider is putting cops in charge of this.  It's been shown to decrease trust, decrease their safety, and it's largely a waste of time.  

If we think it's that unsafe of an infraction- by all means fine them, we have ways to do that, which doesn't require a cop pull over and interaction.  

They are largely fishing for other things, not keeping us safe from broken turn signals that nobody uses anyway. 

If you all don't agree that they are largely looking for other stuff and/or being asked for quota fulfillment, I don't know what to tell you besides we might as well not talk about the issue. 

 

You really are an idiot.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

You're an idiot.

Compliment around here. 

[weepaws 3,157]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Send it over and we'll find out christian boy. 

 

Of course puzzy liberal ahole, no address , your just a puzzy boy.  You send me the address I’ll get a flight, and we will end you.  

Come on now mr bad arse send it ? 

[dogcows 1,030]

12 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What I think is stupider is putting cops in charge of this.  It's been shown to decrease trust, decrease their safety, and it's largely a waste of time.  

If we think it's that unsafe of an infraction- by all means fine them, we have ways to do that, which doesn't require a cop pull over and interaction.  

They are largely fishing for other things, not keeping us safe from broken turn signals that nobody uses anyway. 

If you all don't agree that they are largely looking for other stuff and/or being asked for quota fulfillment, I don't know what to tell you besides we might as well not talk about the issue. 

 

Agreed. It’s very well documented that these are pre-textual stops, and that they target black men intentionally.

Philando Castile got pulled over 40 times for piddly little infractions. Because he was black. All it took was one time with a trigger-happy cop to mistake him reaching for his license and registration. And OF COURSE this system found the cop innocent. Because, in some ways, it’s the system at fault more than any individual cop.

[weepaws 3,157]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Send yours over. I'll be there. 

Send it fok Head.  

[weepaws 3,157]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Are you scared to send it? 

Nothing for me to be scared of puzzy boy

[seafoam1 2,802]

Just now, weepaws said:

Nothing for me to be scared of puzzy boy

Send it.

This is awesome!! 

I broke Weepaw. 

[weepaws 3,157]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Send it.

This is awesome!! 

I broke Weepaw. 

Living rent free in your head puzzy arse. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

Just now, weepaws said:

Living rent free in your head puzzy arse. 

[weepaws 3,157]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

I’m now 2-0 puzzy arse. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

11 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I’m now 2-0 puzzy arse. 

I guess your being this way makes you imagine you are winning something. 

[5-Points 3,388]

47 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I know, that's why we disagree here. 

I don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions.  I believe it's an overused technique (using that as an excuse to stop and look for something bigger- guns, drugs, etc) that while effective in very specific examples (high crime areas at night, for example or your example of DUI traps on New Years), it's been shown to be ineffective elsewhere.  

No, I don't think they are only pulling over pos Datsuns vs Mercedes, I am saying that the pos Datsun is more likely to have the issue in the first place and that lower income person is more likely to be stopped and more effected by the fine/court date than the Mercedes driver.  

So cops shouldn't patrol for people violating minor laws in an attempt to find people violating major laws. 

That's ridiculous. 

It we, as a society, agree to allow certain infractions to go unpunished, based on socioeconomic status, where does that end? 

You've now forced everyday Americans to protect their lives and property by any means at their disposal. 

 

 

 

 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions.  I believe it's an overused technique

No headlights, no problem, no brake lights, no problem, no blinkers, no problem. 

Who exactly are you worried about? Not your wife driving home at night I assume. 

[5-Points 3,388]

18 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Agreed. It’s very well documented that these are pre-textual stops, and that they target black men intentionally.

Philando Castile got pulled over 40 times for piddly little infractions. Because he was black. All it took was one time with a trigger-happy cop to mistake him reaching for his license and registration. And OF COURSE this system found the cop innocent. Because, in some ways, it’s the system at fault more than any individual cop.

Holy sh!t, you were in the car all 40 times this guy got pulled over? Because he was back? And you saw him reaching for his license and registration? 

Why didn't you tell him to listen to the cops? You're complicit in his death. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

So cops shouldn't patrol for people violating minor laws in an attempt to find people violating major laws. 

That's ridiculous. 

It we, as a society, agree to allow certain infractions to go unpunished, based on socioeconomic status, where does that end? 

You've now forced everyday Americans to protect their lives and property by any means at their disposal. 

 

 

 

 

Correct.  Besides those specific areas and times, it's been shown to be ineffective as a global strategy.  

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

I do not give a flying fuk about this topic. I'm ragging on HT because he brings it on himself. I have zero desire for any exchanges with you. You seem pretty one-note and boring.

Cool story bro.  In my mind your name has always been short for “Focking Ordinary”.  So yeah, the feeling is mutual. 

[5-Points 3,388]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Correct.  Besides those specific areas and times, it's been shown to be ineffective as a global strategy.  

 

What specific areas and times?

 

[bostonlager 2,664]

38 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Maxine waters has a solution.

 

I like you, seafoam, but you have to take it easy on these guys. It’s not fair to pick on Radiohead fans. They have enough issues. 

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

What specific areas and times?

 

Use common sense, what do you think the answer is? 

[5-Points 3,388]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Use common sense, what do you think the answer is? 

High crime areas during peak crime times? 

[seafoam1 2,802]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Use common sense, what do you think the answer is? 

Take the L dude. You really have exhausted all avenues and lost at every point.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

54 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Compliment around here. 

Also, you’re a liberal, just another twat that came here and claimed different. So you can put the charade to rest now.  Pathetic. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Cops kill innocent people all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elijah_McClain

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html

https://reason.com/2021/10/07/andrew-finch-wichita-kansas-swatting-police-shooting-qualified-immunity/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/01/amber-guygers-botham-jean-murder-trial-using-texas-castle-doctrine/

 

I’ve corrected you on this issue numerous times - with facts and figures from the Washington Post and FBI proving undeniably that the exact opposite is true - that the number of truly innocent  people killed by police each year is so low as to be statistically insignificant.

You know all this, yet you keep pimping this same anti-cop misinformation every chance you get.  Honestly - it makes you look like a POS.

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, 5-Points said:

High crime areas during peak crime times? 

WOW, imagine that.  Correct.   

So a policing method that was shown to be pretty effective in the 3% of the city during peak night rowdy hours was shown to not be effective in the burbs at 2pm (remember, about 50% of the crime was here and during those times).   It was also so concentrated that they could talk about streets and blocks.   So while it seems counterintuitive - that method could be effective in one part of a district but not another. 

Use this method globally, and one part of the community feels like they are being harrassed and the other part sees the crime dropping and is pissed when somebody talks about decreasing police - which is what we saw play out in the last decade.  

I usually default to following the money - IMO what happened is decades ago we saw those big drops in crime in those areas doing that method in the experiments/studies, but applied it incorrectly and too broadly.  Over the decades the areas outside of those spots felt overpoliced and at the same time it was hard to get off that goverment teet and revenue that was created by that global policy.    

[seafoam1 2,802]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

WOW, imagine that.  Correct.   

So a policing method that was shown to be pretty effective in the 3% of the city during peak night rowdy hours was shown to not be effective in the burbs at 2pm (remember, about 50% of the crime was here and during those times).   It was also so concentrated that they could talk about streets and blocks.   So while it seems counterintuitive - that method could be effective in one part of a district but not another. 

Use this method globally, and one part of the community feels like they are being harrassed and the other part sees the crime dropping and is pissed when somebody talks about decreasing police - which is what we saw play out in the last decade.  

I usually default to following the money - IMO what happened is decades ago we saw those big drops in crime in those areas doing that method in the experiments/studies, but applied it incorrectly and too broadly.  Over the decades the areas outside of those spots felt overpoliced and at the same time it was hard to get off that goverment teet and revenue that was created by that global policy.    

Dang you are dumb.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Compliment around here. 

Also, you’re a liberal, just another twat that came here and claimed different. So you can put the charade to rest now.  Pathetic.