Poland vs Russia / Belarus - Doomsday

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Might as well start the thread.

https://news.yahoo.com/poland-transfers-forces-eastern-border-205052049.html

Poland transfers forces to eastern border as Wagner convoys enter Belarus

Elsa Court, The Kyiv Independent news desk

Tue, July 18, 2023 at 1:50 PM PDT·2 min read

Two Polish brigades have been transferred from the west of the country to locations near the border with Belarus, Polish defense minister Mariusz Błaszczak said on July 18.

The move is in response to the growing presence of the Wagner group in the country, the minister said.

One brigade will be located at a new base in Kolno, in the north east of Poland. Another will be located in Biała Podlaska, a town in the east of Poland about 32 kilometers from the Belarusian border.

On July 17, a third convoy of Wagner group fighters arrived in Belarus from Russia.
According to a report by monitoring group Belarusian Hajun, the column included 20 vehicles, including pickups, trucks, and buses, driving under Russian and Wagner flags.

[GobbleDog 997]

I saw this in the news, but sounds like ridiculous rhetoric from a leader who's made a living at it.

Poland is NATO. Go ahead, invade. I double dare ya.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

4 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I saw this in the news, but sounds like ridiculous rhetoric from a leader who's made a living at it.

Poland is NATO. Go ahead, invade. I double dare ya.

ive said from the start that biden will kneel.  they will not start WW3 over Poland.  they will appease and let Russia have Poland instead.  just another red line Obama / Biden will ignore.  one rumor ive heard is they will start by fighting each other on Ukrainian turf with the understanding that as long as Russia doesnt actually enter Poland, no article 5.  but i think they will let Russia take Poland anyway.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

30 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

 but i think they will let Russia take Poland anyway.

Nah

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Ive said before, joining NATO for these tiny nations is a weakness.  A nation like Poland or Finland see it as a security guarantee where they dont have to fund defense as much and big brother will rescue them if trouble arises.  In reality, what happens is NATO demands that these tiny countries disarm or reduce their own defense and then if trouble arises, NATO refuses to protect them because they are weak and worthless.  its like a liberal trusting government to save them and instead the government leeches them dry and leaves the husk behind, but on a national scale.

Remember, Obama drew a red line on chemical weapons in the Syria civil war, they were used by Assad, Obama prepped to attack, then went limp and didnt do it.  Because the democrat motto is "fock the poor".

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Russia can't even take Ukraine.  There is no way they invade Poland and make their problem worse. 

[League Champion 1,911]

They won't F with with Poland. It would certainly be game on at that point. 

[League Champion 1,911]

52 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Russia can't even take Ukraine.  There is no way they invade Poland and make their problem worse. 

 

 

[League Champion 1,911]

You don't send 4,500 elite troops to Poland, for 9 months because there's a picnic. This isn't a training exercise. 

 

 

[Sagging Scrot 44]

Biden sniffs kids, we all get nuked.

[God Almighty 34]

On 7/25/2023 at 5:39 AM, JustinCharge said:

Ive said before, joining NATO for these tiny nations is a weakness.  A nation like Poland or Finland see it as a security guarantee where they dont have to fund defense as much and big brother will rescue them if trouble arises.  In reality, what happens is NATO demands that these tiny countries disarm or reduce their own defense and then if trouble arises, NATO refuses to protect them because they are weak and worthless.  its like a liberal trusting government to save them and instead the government leeches them dry and leaves the husk behind, but on a national scale.

Remember, Obama drew a red line on chemical weapons in the Syria civil war, they were used by Assad, Obama prepped to attack, then went limp and didnt do it.  Because the democrat motto is "fock the poor".

You've become a problem for me due to how often your predictions and guarantees pan out. You're compromising my element of surprise. Please dial it back a bit and allow me to continue working in mysterious ways.

TIA!

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, God Almighty said:

You've become a problem for me due to how often your predictions and guarantees pan out. You're compromising my element of surprise. Please dial it back a bit and allow me to continue working in mysterious ways.

TIA!

ok rusty.

[thegeneral 3,218]

4 hours ago, God Almighty said:

You've become a problem for me due to how often your predictions and guarantees pan out. You're compromising my element of surprise. Please dial it back a bit and allow me to continue working in mysterious ways.

TIA!

Lulz

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

On 7/25/2023 at 2:25 AM, JustinCharge said:

ive said from the start that biden will kneel.  they will not start WW3 over Poland.  they will appease and let Russia have Poland instead.  just another red line Obama / Biden will ignore.  one rumor ive heard is they will start by fighting each other on Ukrainian turf with the understanding that as long as Russia doesnt actually enter Poland, no article 5.  but i think they will let Russia take Poland anyway.

 

In order to take Poland, Ukraine will need to totally pacified first. Ukraine is the 2nd largest landmass in Europe. Zelensky won't concede the entire country without using his entire chemical weapons arsenal in mainland Russia first. 

If Putin survived that, and took Ukraine, and tried to hit Poland, the French would mobilize. That means the war would shift also to the sea. Since convoys would be hit, that means every major juggernaut corporation would be incentivized to send in PMCs. 

Private armies are not bound by international law. Even if they could be, they wouldn't care anyway. By attacking Poland, Putin would open the door to PMCs being sent into Russia. Their job is to protect profit. Fastest way to do that is to kill Russia's total production capability. The ancillary impact would be Russia's civilian population starving to death. 

I don't disagree with your assessment of NATO being a limp wristed crutch that's a bad deal for many nations. But you obscure the practical daisy chain to massive casualties here. 

More to point, it's one thing to die to get the job done. It's another to die just to die. Many of the things you discuss are just mass death without a practical endgame or a practical motive behind it.

You seem like a decent enough guy. But you need more nuanced sources than you have right now. That's the diplomatic way of putting it. 

[League Champion 1,911]

If Russia invades Poland then forget about NATO. It is WW3 at that point. 

Russia won't do that. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

6 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

In order to take Poland, Ukraine will need to totally pacified first.

ill repeat what i said earlier in this thread.  i feel like nobody is reading my posts so i must say it again.

 

one rumor ive heard is they will start by fighting each other on Ukrainian turf with the understanding that as long as Russia doesnt actually enter Poland, no article 5. 

 

its almost like blue horseshoe didnt read my comment and then spit it out back at me as if it was his own.  blue says ukraine would need to be pacified first, but i already pointed out it may start in ukraine first.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

unfortunately this is how most threads start here.  no one reads anything, i must repeat myself twenty times, people keep forgetting and say the same things  over and over again.  at this point, im expecting that every 5 pages or so, i will see a comment from someone that russia will need to pacify ukraine first and i will keep saying that i said it was a possibility on page 1.  whats sad is that im doing this on page 1.

instead of trying to correct me, ask questions on what i said.

 

i hate to sound upset but its really rude to not read 1 page of posts and admonish the op to include something he already posted. you arent even trying to discuss.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Russia will need to pacify Ukraine first. Then the Eskimos will nuke New Zealand.

[League Champion 1,911]

4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Russia will need to pacify Ukraine

We'll know in 20 years when everyone is broke from it. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

59 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

unfortunately this is how most threads start here.  no one reads anything, i must repeat myself twenty times, people keep forgetting and say the same things  over and over again.  at this point, im expecting that every 5 pages or so, i will see a comment from someone that russia will need to pacify ukraine first and i will keep saying that i said it was a possibility on page 1.  whats sad is that im doing this on page 1.

instead of trying to correct me, ask questions on what i said.

 

i hate to sound upset but its really rude to not read 1 page of posts and admonish the op to include something he already posted. you arent even trying to discuss.

You're usually not this incoherent until later in the evening. Your mommy not bring you your Cocoa Puffs yet?

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

poland is doubling the size of its military, creating 3 new divisions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poland-bolster-military-border-security-102300243.html

Poland to bolster military, border security over Wagner threat, says deputy PM

Fri, July 28, 2023 at 3:23 AM PDT

Poland will create new military units to double the size of its armed forces, in light of new threats to the country’s sovereignty, such as the Wagner mercenary group, Deputy Prime Minister of Poland, Jarosław Kaczyński, said on July 28.

"Our army, which previously consisted of only three divisions… Now there will be six divisions and, over time, there will probably be a reserve division," Kaczyński said while visiting the  Polish-Belarusian border.

Read also: Russia may use Wagner mercenaries to attack NATO through Poland, Baltics – Presidential advisor

The Polish government is also strengthening its border security by constructing a fence with "various types of electronic devices" to facilitate its protection.

Kaczyński characterized the events on the Polish/Belarusian border as an attack conducted “in a less aggravated form”, but one that can at any moment “intensify and take on a different character associated with the presence of the Wagnerites.”

[nobody 2,682]

Maybe Poland should hire Wagner

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

poland is doubling the size of its military, creating 3 new divisions.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/poland-bolster-military-border-security-102300243.html

Poland to bolster military, border security over Wagner threat, says deputy PM

Fri, July 28, 2023 at 3:23 AM PDT

Poland will create new military units to double the size of its armed forces, in light of new threats to the country’s sovereignty, such as the Wagner mercenary group, Deputy Prime Minister of Poland, Jarosław Kaczyński, said on July 28.

"Our army, which previously consisted of only three divisions… Now there will be six divisions and, over time, there will probably be a reserve division," Kaczyński said while visiting the  Polish-Belarusian border.

Read also: Russia may use Wagner mercenaries to attack NATO through Poland, Baltics – Presidential advisor

The Polish government is also strengthening its border security by constructing a fence with "various types of electronic devices" to facilitate its protection.

Kaczyński characterized the events on the Polish/Belarusian border as an attack conducted “in a less aggravated form”, but one that can at any moment “intensify and take on a different character associated with the presence of the Wagnerites.”

 

My god. Rumors and hidden conents. We're doomed. 

[League Champion 1,911]

16 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

My god. Rumors and hidden conents. We're doomed. 

Americans, not a rumor at all. Unfortunately 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

14 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Americans, not a rumor at all. Unfortunately 

 

They're not going to war. 

[League Champion 1,911]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

They're not going to war. 

We are at war dipshizz. We've had boots on the ground since day 1. The 3rd Infantry Division is no joke, they aren't going there to eat Polish food. 

You know nothing. 

[seafoam1 3,036]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

They're not going to war. 

Your cheerleader skirt would be working overtime.

 

[League Champion 1,911]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Your cheerleader skirt would be working overtime.

 

He's a psssy who's never served this Country and would run if there was a draft. He's going to lecture me on our Military?

The balls on this little Liberal Psssy. 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

12 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

one rumor ive heard is they will start by fighting each other on Ukrainian turf with the understanding that as long as Russia doesnt actually enter Poland, no article 5. 

 

NATO would never allow Poland to do that. From a media optics standpoint, Poland entering Ukraine justifies Russia and Putin. I.E. that NATO is the aggressor and not the other way around. Also Poland's military build up is centered around fighting a defensive war. They understand their own terrain. Ukraine is a giant mudfield waiting to bog down Poland like it has bogged down Russia in the initial stages and Ukraine now in it's counter offensives. 

Logistical reality also means Poland is better suited to fight a defensive war because of it's supply lines. That's not a guarantee in Ukraine. In the early stages of the invasion, Russia lost quite a few Tier 1 units, but that was expected. They had to achieve a breakthrough and running into the meat grinder was a tragic price to pay for that. Why would Poland lose that advantage as well? You can't send Tier 4 and Tier 5 units in as a breakthrough into Poland. 

Also Putin and Russia have not held to their word to anything they've said to Ukraine, NATO and Zelensky so far. Why would they believe him in that he won't do something radically different than what he was "promised"  And while the French will immediately come to support Poland if Poland is invaded, they won't be as amenable to crossing over into Ukraine. The only way into Poland, getting a force large enough there, is to first pacify Ukraine. You can only do that with ethnic cleansing. On one of the largest scales in recorded human history. If that was attempted, Zelensky would empty his entire chemical weapons arsenal into mainland Russia. That's 145 million that would cut into about 35 million in 5 months. There's not much to be done to the rural and unincorporated zones, but the urban areas would be completely decimated. 

You are positing a scenario that does not line up with the practical mechanics of modern warfare. Also the pathway would cost over 100 million Russian citizens their lives. 

These "rumors" you keep driving up are clickbait designed to draw you in via shock marketing. It's someone trying to monetize their channel or "brand" via their platform. That's it. 

Can you pacify Ukraine to the point where it becomes a middle ground battlefield? Sure, if you gas it. How do you gas the 2nd largest country in Europe? Also how can Russian forces operate then in an NBC environment? Why would Poland agree to fight in that kind of environment? 

You are repeating social media outrage porn. You might also sometimes repeat the main talking points cooked up by the current Military Industrial Complex. No one is going lay their battleplans on a national broad scale on Twitter or Facebook or Reddit. 

I can't say if others read you posts, I do read the majority of them in your few war threads, and 85 percent of what you discuss does not line up with functional mechanized warfare. And I'm far less punitive to you than almost all of the others here. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

He's a psssy who's never served this Country and would run if there was a draft. He's going to lecture me on our Military?

The balls on this little Liberal Psssy. 

You think 4,500 soldiers deployed over there is some kind of significant troop buildup ahead of us putting boots on the ground in Ukraine?

[RogerDodger 798]

Looks like Rusty-Francie has a big night planned.

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

Maybe Poland should hire Wagner

 

It's actually not a bad idea. Prigozhin has every reason to cut a deal with Poland. He won't attack Russian forces moving forward, but he has loyalists all  throughout the ranks of the traditional Red Army. It's why he wasn't assassinated so far.  While he lost the bulk of his operational units, Prigozhin kept most of his intelligence assets. Which right now are the most valuable trade chips that he has left. 

[seafoam1 3,036]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

He's a psssy who's never served this Country and would run if there was a draft. He's going to lecture me on our Military?

The balls on this little Liberal Psssy. 

 

39 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Looks like Rusty-Francie has a big night planned.

Yep. It's sad we have lazy loser liberals in this country.

[League Champion 1,911]

10 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You think 4,500 soldiers deployed over there is some kind of significant troop buildup

Yes, yes it is dummy. This isn't any unit. This is the 3rd Infantry Division and it's armor. To deploy 4,500 elite troops is a big deal. And that's only one of many already there with more preparing. 

If anything numbnuts Biden should of done this pre-invasion to deter Russia. But he's a passive aggressive useless tool bag. 

I appreciate your knowledge of the Military but you've been deployed when & where? 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Prigozhin (leader of Wagner) promised they would be deployed starting August5th, 2023.  Speculation on where included near Kiev, the Polish border, even in Africa.  It appears Wagner is being deployed to the Polish border.

https://www.newsweek.com/poland-issues-warning-very-real-threat-wagner-attacks-nato-turf-1817712

Specifically, Polish authorities have warned that the Wagner Group could invade Poland to seize control of the Suwałki Gap, a small but critical corridor located along Poland's northeastern border that separates Russia from the exclave Kaliningrad.

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The rumor is that Ukraine is firing stormshadow missiles at Crimea from Poland.  This obviously is a big problem as if Russia reports on this, then they will need to invade Poland and start WW3.  If the West reports on this, its causes a huge scandal.  So the solution for Russia may be to send Wagner into Poland on a "Mission Impossible" action to destroy the bases firing missiles.  If they are caught, Russia disowns them saying they are treasonous and unreliable and point to the "coup" attempt by Wagne earlier this year.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

The rumor ...

[League Champion 1,911]

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/30/1190969703/supporters-of-nigers-coup-march-waving-russian-flags-and-denouncing-france