Hawaii is on fire

[thegeneral 2,915]

1 hour ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I'm going to disagree with you. 

Intentional decisions were made to not manage the brush fire hazard, not sound alarms, divert water from the area, block evacuation routes, not call in emergency response teams and lie to the public.

This same group won't accept any accountability now either. 

This goes beyond incompetence into negligent manslaughter territory. 

The only people who come out winners here are the massive corporations who are the leading donors getting these "incompetent" folks elected. 

Intentional decisions can be mistakes without some nefarious plan. People fock up all the time. People not wanting to be held accountable is also not some unique thing especially in this case where hundreds of people died.

[Fireballer 2,639]

1 hour ago, Ultra Max Power said:

 

As far as a fire specific question for you... when a fire department reports the fire is 100% contained, what are the odds that same fire reignites and starts blazing again?

 

That’s a term used in wild land settings.  I’m an urban guy, so the containment verbiage isn’t what we use.  We use terms like “under control” and “stop loss” do designate containment of building fires.

[TheNewGirl 1,353]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:04 PM, TheNewGirl said:

FEMA is running out of money: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/28/politics/fema-climate-resiliency-fund/index.html#:~:text=The new money%2C which will,is bearing down on Florida. 

And they want to pass a $3 billion bill to increase FEMA for "climate resiliency." 

And of course...we have to include more money for Ukraine.  I don't blame the house conservatives for putting up a fight. We have sent Ukraine SO much that our own cities are burning to the ground or being flooded by hurricanes...and Biden just talks about the fire in his kitchen that almost made him lose his Corvette. FFS. 

 

 

So the more I think about this...this might be one of the driving factors for how I vote this year. 

I am really tired of hearing how much we have sent and continue to send to Ukraine. And the fact that our law makers sneak in cr@p like this when they are writing bills, they don't disclose all of that's in these things to us, the voters. This happens ALL the time and I know I can't read them all, but whatever candidate stops sending money to Ukraine might be the way I need to go.  

At this point with our own disasters, inflation, over 6 million illegals coming into our country, we are hemorrhaging money; and Biden is not giving ANY indication that he's going to stop. Loan forgiveness and buying votes here and there. It has to stop. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Lol at the dummies eating up Chinese disinformation:

 

When wildfires swept across Maui last month with destructive fury, China’s increasingly resourceful information warriors pounced.

The disaster was not natural, they said in a flurry of false posts that spread across the internet, but was the result of a secret “weather weapon” being tested by the United States. To bolster the plausibility, the posts carried photographs that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence programs, making them among the first to use these new tools to bolster the aura of authenticity of a disinformation campaign.

For China — which largely stood on the sidelines of the 2016 and 2020 U.S. presidential elections while Russia ran hacking operations and disinformation campaigns — the effort to cast the wildfires as a deliberate act by American intelligence agencies and the military was a rapid change of tactics.

Until now, China’s influence campaigns have been focused on amplifying propaganda defending its policies on Taiwan and other subjects. The most recent effort, revealed by researchers from Microsoft and a range of other organizations, suggests that Beijing is making more direct attempts to sow discord in the United States.

[seafoam1 2,803]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Lol at the dummies eating up Chinese disinformation:

 

When wildfires swept across Maui last month with destructive fury, China’s increasingly resourceful information warriors pounced.

The disaster was not natural, they said in a flurry of false posts that spread across the internet, but was the result of a secret “weather weapon” being tested by the United States. To bolster the plausibility, the posts carried photographs that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence programs, making them among the first to use these new tools to bolster the aura of authenticity of a disinformation campaign.

For China — which largely stood on the sidelines of the 2016 and 2020 U.S. presidential elections while Russia ran hacking operations and disinformation campaigns — the effort to cast the wildfires as a deliberate act by American intelligence agencies and the military was a rapid change of tactics.

Until now, China’s influence campaigns have been focused on amplifying propaganda defending its policies on Taiwan and other subjects. The most recent effort, revealed by researchers from Microsoft and a range of other organizations, suggests that Beijing is making more direct attempts to sow discord in the United States.

Well, creepy joe did get his bank accounts added to from china. 

[wiffleball 4,788]

Man, just insane. 

 

Looks like Hiroshima.

 

...except Oprah's place.

[wiffleball 4,788]

I thought Obama was big on Hawaii. Where is he?

[thegeneral 2,915]

10 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Man, just insane. 

 

Looks like Hiroshima.

 

...except Oprah's place.

…and like 90% of the island.

[wiffleball 4,788]

Giant space lasers aside this is really bad. Basically, the rich are looking to swoop in and buy the fire ravaged land out from under the people. It's insane how much. Is she hired her own private firefighting team to protect all her properties.

 

Glad to hear that Joe Rogan & Tulsi G have join the fight. But it's amazing how quiet the mainstream media is about this. We still don't even know how many people died. We don't know how many kids died.

 

...and out of state investors are inundating the folks.  

Remember when Obummer loved Hawaii? 

 

Good short video of Joe Rogan and others. 

[thegeneral 2,915]

https://apnews.com/article/d66e6528b8c61203a3110214869314ce

Some hotels and timeshares near Lahaina opening again to tourists. 

[thegeneral 2,915]

Snorkeling and whale tours leaving from Lahaina again

Looks like the global cabal has loosened their grip on Northwestern Maui!

[GutterBoy 2,898]

So, not a Jewish space laser?

[League Champion 1,896]

39 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So, not a Jewish space laser?

That's antisemitic!! What's wrong with you, Pro Hamas. 

[TimHauck 2,624]

Newsmax:  insurance adjusters aren’t being allowed in so no one is getting their insurance money!

 

Insurance companies: we’ve already paid out over $1 billion in claims, and we’re suing the electric/phone companies 

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/catastrophe/insurers-head-to-court-to-seek-redress-for-maui-wildfire-losses-474372.aspx