Racism? Hate crime?

[crackattack 520]

Even though the victims are victim shaming, should this be a hate crime @timschochet. Or is this conservatives fault too?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-arrested-viral-subway-attack-family-tourists

[weepaws 3,152]

I hate racism, I don’t understand how someone can hate another because of color of their skin.  

[seafoam1 2,798]

6 hours ago, crackattack said:

Even though the victims are victim shaming, should this be a hate crime @timschochet. Or is this conservatives fault too?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-arrested-viral-subway-attack-family-tourists

Liberals foster the narrative of this type of hate crime. They are incredibly socially destructive and over the top racist. Liberals suck and are 100% at fault for these types of crimes.

[Voltaire 5,181]

If you're going to have hate crimes, racial insults followed by physical assaults on victims should meet the textbook definition.

But who knows what liberals think? They have this "you have to be in power to oppress anyone mentality" such that when they're in power, their preferred minority cannot oppress anyone. Also, everything is filtered through a racial lens to them, so who knows. Things that are obvious to everyone are sometimes obvious to liberals too. Other clear situations aren't obvious to liberals, we re-learned that again in the O'Shae thread.

Whatever corporate left media tells them to think is what their opinion is; they don't want to get kicked out of the club by demonstrating independent thought, even in the face of a mountain of evidence.

[kilroy69 1,215]

Has anyone noticed or cared to notice that when you hear about an Asian being attacked that the attacker seems to be black a disproportionate amount of times? Almost like blacks see Asians as a threat to them. 

[RLLD 4,143]

6 hours ago, weepaws said:

I hate racism, I don’t understand how someone can hate another because of color of their skin.  

I think a common excuse is generational trauma...or something like that....  

[Fireballer 2,639]

39 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Has anyone noticed or cared to notice that when you hear about an Asian being attacked that the attacker seems to be black a disproportionate amount of times? Almost like blacks see Asians as a threat to them. 

Lots of people noticed.  That’s why the left proactively blamed black on Asian crime on white supremacy. 

[RLLD 4,143]

15 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Lots of people noticed.  That’s why the left proactively blamed black on Asian crime on white supremacy. 

Oh yeah....I forgot about that....anyone that diverges from leftist ideology is somehow a "white surpremacist" even if they are no where near to being white  

 

[RLLD 4,143]

Video shows 'mob of criminals' ransack Nordstrom, stealing $100k worth of merch

OK, first and foremost.....this event was "mostly peaceful"....

But this is something of a "turn".  Suddenly CNN is not pretending this away, they actually used the word "criminals".....holy crap....

[Mike Hunt 261]

On 8/9/2023 at 11:16 PM, crackattack said:

Even though the victims are victim shaming, should this be a hate crime @timschochet. Or is this conservatives fault too?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-arrested-viral-subway-attack-family-tourists

 

By definition of the law it is a "hate crime".  Then there is still the black on Asian hate that continues.

 

We will need Squid and Tim to weigh in though to make sure. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

By definition of the law it is a "hate crime".  Then there is still the black on Asian hate that continues.

 

We will need Squid and Tim to weigh in though to make sure. 

Would they ever date to actually acknowledge hate crimes from a .....uhhh....."minority" group? Aren't we supposed to pretend that they are weaker and less capable of living in this world, so nothing they do is ever bad?

[WatsonRules 46]

While it's admirable that the victims are taking the high road, it seems pretty clear to me from the video that the attack was racially motivated. 

 

Should she be charged with a hate crime in addition to two felony assault charges? Maybe, and the reason I say maybe is less the color of her skin or her circumstances as a minority, and more that she's still a kid and potentially redeemable. She did turn herself in to face the music.

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

Another marshmallow eater, how surprising 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

there is no such thing as a hate crime, or all crimes are hate crimes, committing a crime against someone regardless of their race, gender etc is hateful

 

[squistion 1,944]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Would they ever date to actually acknowledge hate crimes from a .....uhhh....."minority" group? Aren't we supposed to pretend that they are weaker and less capable of living in this world, so nothing they do is ever bad?

I have. Minorities commit hate crimes against other minorities and have been charged with that (and should be if the facts of the case warrant it). 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

I have. Minorities commit hate crimes against other minorities and have been charged with that (and should be if the facts of the case warrant it). 

The delineation of crimes along lines of skin color is racist.   That our legal system does not stand up against this is, disconcerting. 

[squistion 1,944]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The delineation of crimes along lines of skin color is racist.   That our legal system does not stand up against this is, disconcerting. 

Not if the victim of the crime was targeted specifically because of their race, religion or sexual orientation. 

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not if the victim of the crime was targeted specifically because of their race, religion or sexual orientation. 

The elevation of that action based on that factor is also racist.   You see it is also true that fistorically  disenfranchised groups target others because of race.  Its just a crime, period.  This insistence to pretend racism is ok is just stupid.

 

[squistion 1,944]

44 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The elevation of that action based on that factor is also racist.   You see it is also true that fistorically  disenfranchised groups target others because of race.  Its just a crime, period.  This insistence to pretend racism is ok is just stupid.

It is not pretend anything if someone is specifically targeted because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation/identify. 

[RLLD 4,143]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

It is not pretend anything if someone is specifically targeted because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation/identify. 

And so what? A crime is a crime.  Pretending the reasons matter is useless. I do not care.  You do the crime you do the time.

[squistion 1,944]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And so what? A crime is a crime.  Pretending the reasons matter is useless. I do not care.  You do the crime you do the time.

Obviously you don't care, but I think there should be an enhanced or added penalty for singling someone out for violence only because they are Black, Latino, Asian, Muslim or LGBTQ (and the laws in many states agree with that position). 

[RLLD 4,143]

51 minutes ago, squistion said:

Obviously you don't care, but I think there should be an enhanced or added penalty for singling someone out for violence only because they are Black, Latino, Asian, Muslim or LGBTQ (and the laws in many states agree with that position). 

Nope, and not even when any of those groups exact a crime against white folks either.  A crime is a crime.  Adding the notion of "hate" to it is just pandering to voters.  Want to make a difference? Atop giving people a free pass on crime, regardless of the non-relevant factor of the hue of their skin....because that is also racist.

[seafoam1 2,798]

55 minutes ago, squistion said:

Obviously you don't care, but I think there should be an enhanced or added penalty for singling someone out for violence only because they are Black, Latino, Asian, Muslim or LGBTQ (and the laws in many states agree with that position). 

Not white or straight? How convenient.

[seafoam1 2,798]

"Hate crime" has got to be the dumbest concept ever. It's just another in a long line of divisive actions put into society. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

On 8/10/2023 at 2:52 AM, weepaws said:

I hate racism, I don’t understand how someone can hate another because of color of their skin.  

It's not their skin, it's their culture dumbass.

[squistion 1,944]

18 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Not white or straight? How convenient.

Fun Fact: If someone is attacked for being white, that qualifies as a hate crime too.

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact: If someone is attacked for being white, that qualifies as a hate crime too.

Go ahead and list all the black people who were charged with a hate crime against white people over the past year.

And you left 'white' out of your little rant for a reason. 

[squistion 1,944]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Nope, and not even when any of those groups exact a crime against white folks either.  A crime is a crime.  Adding the notion of "hate" to it is just pandering to voters.  Want to make a difference? Atop giving people a free pass on crime, regardless of the non-relevant factor of the hue of their skin....because that is also racist.

In California, any crime of violence against a police officer or any LEO results in an enhanced sentence. Shooting a police officer is no different a crime than shooting an ordinary citizen, but in this state but it is treated differently and there is additional penalty for that, even though "a crime is a crime."

I have yet to hear anyone on the right who is against hate crimes complain that it is unjust to treat LEOs differently or that they shouldn't be given "special treatment."

[squistion 1,944]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Go ahead and list all the black people who were charged with a hate crime against white people over the past year.

And you left 'white' out of your little rant for a reason. 

It is not as common, but it is considered a hate crime under the law too, so it does happen. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

It is not as common, but it is considered a hate crime under the law too, so it does happen. 

I'll be interested in seeing your examples.

[RLLD 4,143]

12 hours ago, squistion said:

In California, any crime of violence against a police officer or any LEO results in an enhanced sentence. Shooting a police officer is no different a crime than shooting an ordinary citizen, but in this state but it is treated differently and there is additional penalty for that, even though "a crime is a crime."

I have yet to hear anyone on the right who is against hate crimes complain that it is unjust to treat LEOs differently or that they shouldn't be given "special treatment."

Maybe because you haven'y been listening....this has been a topic for years now with an energetic push to eliminat things such as "qualified immunity", which is also bullsh!t btw