J K Dobbins

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

Signing with Chargers

 

[polecatt 474]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Signing with Chargers

 

That's gonna be very interesting.

The Chargers are a team in which a RB can have a monster fantasy season.

If he can stay healthy, could be in for a big season

[weepaws 3,154]

Mmm I’m passing.  I think I’m going to now move Edwards up a little since they picked up Dobbins.  Dobbins needs to prove to me that he can stay on the field.  And I’m not sure when he’s due to return.  

[Ray_T 740]

3 hours ago, polecatt said:

If he can stay healthy, could be in for a big season

this is the key.

I dont think he can do it.  if he wins the starting job, hes maybe a nice late round lotto ticket.  but I wouldnt pay more than that for him

 

[polecatt 474]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

this is the key.

I dont think he can do it.  if he wins the starting job, hes maybe a nice late round lotto ticket.  but I wouldnt pay more than that for him

 

It seems unlikely but sometimes a change of scenery and a different scheme is all it takes

[Ray_T 740]

2 hours ago, polecatt said:

It seems unlikely but sometimes a change of scenery and a different scheme is all it takes

for him it was never about talent.  it was an inability to remain healthy.   now coming off a torn Achilles, a rather serious injury after having a number of other soft tissue injuries and torn meniscus.... I think he tore his LCL at one point too. (correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything)

the dude just cannot stay healthy.  when healthy hes looked the part of a true #1 RB but the number of games where hes been fully healthy I can likely count on one hand.

[polecatt 474]

44 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

for him it was never about talent.  it was an inability to remain healthy.   now coming off a torn Achilles, a rather serious injury after having a number of other soft tissue injuries and torn meniscus.... I think he tore his LCL at one point too. (correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything)

the dude just cannot stay healthy.  when healthy hes looked the part of a true #1 RB but the number of games where hes been fully healthy I can likely count on one hand.

Yeah he did have a bad knee injury before the Achilles tear.

It just depends on if he can bounce back or if he's not the same. It happens. After a few injuries it can certainly take it's toll

I think Nick Chubb will be in that latter category

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

12 hours ago, polecatt said:

he can stay healthy, could be in for a big season

Agree. There's no denying his talent if healthy. That's a HUGE if. 

[Gepetto 1,288]

I just thought of something, both Gus Edwards and JK Dobbins played for John Harbaugh. Now both were signed by the Chargers who will be coached by brother Jim Harbaugh so it seems likely John Harbaugh gave his brother a heads up that both players are worth signing. It will be interesting to see the Chargers new offense this year.

[weepaws 3,154]

I think Edwards was an easy choice, he fills a need for a short yardage back.  Dobbins could be a very good player, but I wouldn’t trust that he will stay healthy more so with the Chargers then with the Ravens.  

Think The Chargers will bring in another rb.  After Ekeler the past few season that didn’t have much at rb.  

I like Edwards more today in ff since they picked up Dobbins, can’t see Dobbins being ready soon.  

Im sure brother told brother Dobbins ha s a lot of high potential if you can get him to stay on the field.  

[Ray_T 740]

7 hours ago, weepaws said:

Think The Chargers will bring in another rb.

They have to bring in another one.  Look at Baltimore.  3 years in a row hes been injured.   He's only been able to play 9 games over those 3 years.   He was supposed to be their starter but clearly due to injuries he was never able to fully wrangle that job and make it his.    He flashes, looks good, then gets hurt.

a team can only take so much of this before packing it in.

now on another team, the Chargers should still draft a young RB in round 2 or 3 (probably round 2 unless they take an O lineman or a defender in the first 2 rounds)

There are a handful of RB's capable of starting in this draft so I could very well see the Chargers grabbing one of them.   Arguably the largest need is at WR but the chargers could trade back 2 to 6 slots to acquire additional picks and still get a very good WR.

It is hard to say for sure but the chargers will be an exciting team to watch this offseason.

[Showboat 252]

Yeah, Dobbins has been hurt a lot, but I would not put him on a DnD list just yet.  There have been other backs who have shaken the injury bug to post some good seasons (Terry Allen and Robert Smith come to mind).  The trick is to know when to pull the trigger if he falls - at some point he could be a great value pick. 

[weepaws 3,154]

24 games played over the last four seasons, I’ll pass. 

[Ray_T 740]

3 hours ago, Showboat said:

Yeah, Dobbins has been hurt a lot, but I would not put him on a DnD list just yet.  There have been other backs who have shaken the injury bug to post some good seasons (Terry Allen and Robert Smith come to mind).  The trick is to know when to pull the trigger if he falls - at some point he could be a great value pick. 

Never a DND list.

guy has talent.   he just cant stay healthy.    hes a late round flyer and if he pans out it could put you over the top at little to no cost.

if hes injured as he usually is, you havent bet the farm.    its just a late round lotto pick.   You can afford to miss on  one or two of those.

If other people want to take him in the first 3 or 4 rounds, you dont sweat it.   risk is way too high to grab a guy like that so early.   Even if they announce hes the starter I'd be very scared to draft him in round 4.

you also have to remember, a RB always looks good running behind a good line, and the line in Baltimore is better than the line the Chargers will roll out this year.   so injury is not the only risk here.

 

 

[nobody 2,559]

The history of running backs coming back from Achilles injuries isn't great.

Who are we talking about?  James Robinson, Cam Akers, and Arian Foster who all did nothing?

[Ray_T 740]

didnt etienne also have an achilles?

[weepaws 3,154]

But Dobbins just can’t stay healthy.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

Harbaugh took the best pass blocking RB in the draft as his first backfield draft investment.... take notice.  

[weepaws 3,154]

I think Edwards can be a real good rb2/3.  Dobbins isn’t good to go yet, from what I’m seeing.  

[Ray_T 740]

16 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I think Edwards can be a real good rb2/3.  Dobbins isn’t good to go yet, from what I’m seeing.  

no I hear he might miss the first game or two of the season.   granted its likely still early to make such a determination.   but hes at least close to being on track.

I still wouldnt expect much from him if hes missing training camp as well.   dude will not be in game shape even if hes cleared to play the week of the season opener.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

23 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I think Edwards can be a real good rb2/3.  Dobbins isn’t good to go yet, from what I’m seeing.  

 

Yes.... what do you think adp will end up ??  8/9/10 range 12t non-ppr ?? 

[weepaws 3,154]

10 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

no I hear he might miss the first game or two of the season.   granted its likely still early to make such a determination.   but hes at least close to being on track.

I still wouldnt expect much from him if hes missing training camp as well.   dude will not be in game shape even if hes cleared to play the week of the season opener.

That’s good news for Dobbins.  

[Ray_T 740]

3 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

 

Yes.... what do you think adp will end up ??  8/9/10 range 12t non-ppr ?? 

depends on the hype.    given how late its looking like he will be back I dont think they name him the starter heading into the season, so the hype might not be there.

but given what we know he shouldnt be drafted in the first 5-6 rounds.  I can say that with certainty.  after that it depends on his health, hype and a bunch of other things

[weepaws 3,154]

3 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

 

Yes.... what do you think adp will end up ??  8/9/10 range 12t non-ppr ?? 

Depends of Dobbins, if he’s closer to returning early in the season, Edwards ADP will be higher, I hope that’s the case, I would like to buy cheap.  If Dobbins won’t be ready until later into the season I’m thinking 8-10 sounds right.  

[Ray_T 740]

ok a bunch of recent news on Dobbins injury(most in the last few days)

J.K. Dobbins talks being healthy, ready to dispel injury-prone label (usatoday.com)

Chargers' J.K. Dobbins Says He's '100 Percent' After Recovering from Achilles Injury | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report

J.K. Dobbins' surgeon tells teams RB is cleared for football activities, looks 'outstanding', per report - CBSSports.com

there is still a fair bit of ambiguity with these but it sounds like he may be ready for camp.

[weepaws 3,154]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

ok a bunch of recent news on Dobbins injury(most in the last few days)

J.K. Dobbins talks being healthy, ready to dispel injury-prone label (usatoday.com)

Chargers' J.K. Dobbins Says He's '100 Percent' After Recovering from Achilles Injury | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report

J.K. Dobbins' surgeon tells teams RB is cleared for football activities, looks 'outstanding', per report - CBSSports.com

there is still a fair bit of ambiguity with these but it sounds like he may be ready for camp.

Thanks for those updates I hope Dobbins does indeed make a full return.  I’m going to wait and see one more season.  I’m just not sold that he will be able to do so through out the season.  I’m still targeting Edwards before Dobbins.  At least I am today.  

[Ray_T 740]

50 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Thanks for those updates I hope Dobbins does indeed make a full return.  I’m going to wait and see one more season.  I’m just not sold that he will be able to do so through out the season.  I’m still targeting Edwards before Dobbins.  At least I am today.  

well, I am waiting to see how it shakes out.  I'm not in any early drafts.   usually the first draft I participate in is the July mock at FFtoday (assuming I get invited back) and there is still plenty of time to figure this one out.

but I'm with you.  there is no sense overpaying for a player who cannot stay healthy and unless the team announces he is the starter, (or you have good reason to believe he is going to start)

in this case given the amount of time that we need to wait until day 1 of the season, you have to assume some form of time share and possible time loss due to injury.   These kind of predictions can be a crapshoot at the best of times so you estimate production for him in a conservative manner until you have good evidence you should do otherwise.