jrokh 546 Posted Monday at 12:24 AM yeah. Zona's plan was to trade for a competent QB and then put up a 28-7 2nd half lead, and then "let" the opponent put up 24 unanswered as part of their master tanking plan. Brilliant! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 919 Posted Monday at 12:32 AM 7 minutes ago, jrokh said: yeah. Zona's plan was to trade for a competent QB and then put up a 28-7 2nd half lead, and then "let" the opponent put up 24 unanswered as part of their master tanking plan. Brilliant! They went up 28 to 7 then started playing prevent. I mean......that seems pretty simple to see to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 546 Posted Monday at 12:41 AM 7 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: They went up 28 to 7 then started playing prevent. I mean......that seems pretty simple to see to me. Playing prevent isn't the same thing as tanking. Otherwise every team in the NFL is tanking when they have a big lead. Your original premise is simply dumb... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 919 Posted Monday at 01:00 AM 13 hours ago, jrokh said: Playing prevent isn't the same thing as tanking. Otherwise every team in the NFL is tanking when they have a big lead. Your original premise is simply dumb... hahaha funny. Going 0-17 is not going to happen on accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 68 Posted Monday at 09:20 AM Why does Arizona even bother? What a horrible franchise. Just fold up, sell the team or something. Players don’t even want to be there. Any competent rookie QB would be wise to pull an Eli or an Elway and make SURE they dont end up there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,151 Posted Monday at 12:40 PM 3 hours ago, RoadLizard said: Why does Arizona even bother? What a horrible franchise. Just fold up, sell the team or something. Players don’t even want to be there. Any competent rookie QB would be wise to pull an Eli or an Elway and make SURE they dont end up there. Or you can make $230M with $30M guaranteed in Arizona and take the year off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
show me the murray 45 Posted Monday at 01:51 PM Speaking as an Arizona fan, that’s not a tanking team. They’ve played hard two weeks and should be 2-0. First week fell apart because the offense wasn’t ready (Dobbs had only had a few practices), this week he looked way better and the defense played hard but they are lacking talent and missed their best defensive player. The offensive play calling got way too conservative, and the defense was gassed. They’re undermanned, it happens. But Jonathan Gannon and his young co-ordinators have 100% changed the culture. Might not get much better this year but with 12 picks next year the future looks bright. Not to forget, there are some young pieces to build around with rookie draft picks paying off already. Paris Johnson Jr is a stud (O-line kept Dobbs completely clean yesterday, 0 sacks), Wilson the WR looks good for a 3rd rounder and Kei’trel Clark the 6th round CB had a brilliant game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 552 Posted Monday at 02:20 PM 27 minutes ago, show me the murray said: Speaking as an Arizona fan, that’s not a tanking team. They’ve played hard two weeks and should be 2-0. First week fell apart because the offense wasn’t ready (Dobbs had only had a few practices), this week he looked way better and the defense played hard but they are lacking talent and missed their best defensive player. The offensive play calling got way too conservative, and the defense was gassed. They’re undermanned, it happens. But Jonathan Gannon and his young co-ordinators have 100% changed the culture. Might not get much better this year but with 12 picks next year the future looks bright. Not to forget, there are some young pieces to build around with rookie draft picks paying off already. Paris Johnson Jr is a stud (O-line kept Dobbs completely clean yesterday, 0 sacks), Wilson the WR looks good for a 3rd rounder and Kei’trel Clark the 6th round CB had a brilliant game. honestly I dont know how they managed to lose this last one. i had to tune out as the kids demanded attention for some stuff, but the first half they looked like they couldnt lose. Not sure totally what happened there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 919 Posted Monday at 02:24 PM 4 minutes ago, Ray_T said: honestly I dont know how they managed to lose this last one. i had to tune out as the kids demanded attention for some stuff, but the first half they looked like they couldnt lose. Not sure totally what happened there Welllllll.....when you do not WANT to win a game so you can have one of the top 5 picks you make adjustments at halftime like a winning team would do....except to lose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 552 Posted Monday at 02:30 PM Just now, kilroy69 said: Welllllll.....when you do not WANT to win a game so you can have one of the top 5 picks you make adjustments at halftime like a winning team would do....except to lose well, when tanking you dont want to bring the losing attitude to the dressing room. you tank by putting bad personell on the field. you dont tell players to throw in the towel. sets a bad precedent and then you end up with a bunch of guys with no character or who dont want to be there. tougher to turn that around than if you just have a bad team. I also am not buying that they are tanking. I think they deserved a better fate this week. maybe the mistake was going prevent too early. the D was looking actually good in the first half. they just shouldnt have taken their foot off the gas. thats just inexperience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 919 Posted Monday at 02:34 PM 3 minutes ago, Ray_T said: well, when tanking you dont want to bring the losing attitude to the dressing room. you tank by putting bad personell on the field. you dont tell players to throw in the towel. sets a bad precedent and then you end up with a bunch of guys with no character or who dont want to be there. tougher to turn that around than if you just have a bad team. I also am not buying that they are tanking. I think they deserved a better fate this week. maybe the mistake was going prevent too early. the D was looking actually good in the first half. they just shouldnt have taken their foot off the gas. thats just inexperience. We have different views on what we saw. I saw a team that mistakenly took a lead they never thought they were going to have and then had to find out a way in which to lose but still put up the appearance they TRIED to win. It is not in their best interest to win at all this year as an organization. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 546 Posted Monday at 02:38 PM If the Cardinals truly wanted to lose they would be playing Clayton Tune at QB, with the excuse they want to develop him. Instead, they traded for Josh Dobbs, a competent QB, and were in position to win their first 2 games. That is not a team trying to lose. There is a difference between a bad team and a tanking team, a distinction clearly lost on the cerebrally challenged... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 919 Posted Monday at 02:44 PM 4 minutes ago, jrokh said: If the Cardinals truly wanted to lose they would be playing Clayton Tune at QB, with the excuse they want to develop him. Instead, they traded for Josh Dobbs, a competent QB, and were in position to win their first 2 games. That is not a team trying to lose. There is a difference between a bad team and a tanking team, a distinction clearly lost on the cerebrally challenged... "0-17. Lets do it boys" is the rumored motto of the Cards this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 546 Posted Monday at 03:03 PM 15 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: "0-17. Lets do it boys" is the rumored motto of the Cards this year. 21 minutes ago, jrokh said: There is a difference between a bad team and a tanking team, a distinction clearly lost on the cerebrally challenged... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,151 Posted Monday at 03:34 PM 27 minutes ago, jrokh said: The Bears tanked last year and they were bad. The management, who is mostly responsible for the actual tanking dumped salary on overpriced players by cutting them or trading them away. That makes your team worse and also makes you lose more games. The Bears this year didn't intend to tank, but are bad so who knows how they handle it if they lose the next 5 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 552 Posted Monday at 03:51 PM well, it sometimes happens that you start out wanting to win and through a comedy of errors, bad mistakes and injuries you end up in a position where you can get a top draft pick. at that point it becomes easy to tank. players who are questionable become doubtful or miss games entirely, and rookies get lots of playing time. there are ways to tank. I'm not seeing that here (not yet anyways) but I'm sure if they get to a point where they are 0-6 or 1-7 this situation may change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,151 Posted Monday at 04:15 PM 15 minutes ago, Ray_T said: well, it sometimes happens that you start out wanting to win and through a comedy of errors, bad mistakes and injuries you end up in a position where you can get a top draft pick. at that point it becomes easy to tank. players who are questionable become doubtful or miss games entirely, and rookies get lots of playing time. there are ways to tank. I'm not seeing that here (not yet anyways) but I'm sure if they get to a point where they are 0-6 or 1-7 this situation may change. Yeah. If a new QB is the desire, then tanking becomes more desirous. It will be interesting to see the Bears play both Carolina and Arizona. They have Carolinas #1 so hopefully they tie and Arizona beats them. 0-16-1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 552 Posted Monday at 04:50 PM 33 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Yeah. If a new QB is the desire, then tanking becomes more desirous. It will be interesting to see the Bears play both Carolina and Arizona. They have Carolinas #1 so hopefully they tie and Arizona beats them. 0-16-1. Well, Carolina has their QB of the future. I think they want the kid to learn how to win. this is a situation where you dont tank. you let the kids learn and grow and you get what you get. but you want that culture in the room where everyone does their best. Thats the most important thing when you have a young core on your team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,151 Posted Monday at 05:05 PM 13 minutes ago, Ray_T said: Well, Carolina has their QB of the future. I think they want the kid to learn how to win. this is a situation where you dont tank. you let the kids learn and grow and you get what you get. but you want that culture in the room where everyone does their best. Thats the most important thing when you have a young core on your team. No. Carolina is not tanking at all. I haven't seen a game of theois yet this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
show me the murray 45 Posted Monday at 10:20 PM 5 hours ago, seafoam1 said: No. Carolina is not tanking at all. I haven't seen a game of theois yet this year. Well it would be pretty pointless to tank when you don’t have a first round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,151 Posted Monday at 10:21 PM 1 minute ago, show me the murray said: Well it would be pretty pointless to tank when you don’t have a first round pick. I thought of that after I posted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kcBlitzkrieg 12 Posted Tuesday at 07:12 PM On 9/7/2023 at 11:46 AM, GobbleDog said: I'd be surprised if Murray doesn't play, who should be ready around Week 6 or 7. If he gets injured he'll have a year to heal for '24. The Cards are in real danger of going winless - killing ticket sales, merchandise and potentially losing fans for long term - especially young demographic. They need their star on the field and they are paying him a ton of money. At this point it's up in the air if Murray is even their qb of the future despite the contract. So Cards need to know what Murray still brings to the table and if drafting a Qb early next year is the right move. I bet he plays. This is the Bidwell fam now…not Jerrah or Bobby K…. Since when have the Cards cared about such things as fanbase and ticket sales huh?? The profits due to cba annd structure of league are gonna come in regardless…. Some of you need to stop thinking like fanboys and more like the billionaire corporate f*KC’s that run this league. Peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
