Can anyone say how the whole "January 6 thing" was worse than the 2020 riots?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I really enjoyed the thoughtful discussion between RLLD and BuckSwope, though I generally lean towards one side, obviously. But this is the sort of debate we need more of around here. 

Moving back to the original topic of this thread: I don’t believe the two events are very comparable. For one thing the riots that occurred after George Floyd were sporadic, spontaneous events over several days and weeks. There was no planning that went into them, no deliberate effort. Like the Rodney King riots of the 90s, the Detroit, Newark and Watts riots of the 60s, they basically represented the anger of black people in our inner cities over their perceived treatment by police. There have been enough of these incidents in our recent history to suggest that these are not directed events. 

Conversely, the January 6 riot appears to have been planned deliberately, which is the reason that Donald Trump and others have been indicted. We will learn in due time whether this is true or not though the facts already seem pretty clear to some of us. Certainly this part is true: the January 6 riot was intended to prevent the peaceful transference of political power in this country. Therefore without commenting on whether or not this event was “worse” or “better” than the George Floyd riots, it has a very different level of significance. 

I would note that only one side is continually bringing up this comparison. It seems to me that the reason for doing so is not so much to discuss the actual facts and roots surrounding the Floyd riots, but instead as an attempt to lessen the import of what happened on January 6. If so, this is, I believe, doomed to fail. 

Well put. You can't view Jan. 6 through summer 2020 riot lenses. The context is more like Rodney King and Watts. A lot of pent-up frustration in the black community explodes after an incidence of police violence. 

April 26th, 1992
There was a riot on the streets
Tell me, where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop
It only took one brick to make that window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey

Call fire and tell them to respond at a Mobil station
Alamitos and Anaheim
It's, uh, flamin' up good
10-4, Alamitos and Anaheim

Homicide, never doin' no time

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day, my livin' room's been much more comfortable
'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
It's getting hotter and hotter and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out, she was gettin' some Pampers
They said it was for the black man
They said it was for the Mexican, and not for the white man
But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
And this focked up situation and these focked up police
It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
And screamin' 1-8-7 on a motherfockin' cop
It's not in the paper, it's on the wall
National Guard
Smoke from all around

(Units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 Temple
938 temple, thirty subjects with bags, trying to get inside the CB's house
He thinks they're gonna, they're trying to kill him)

Let it burn, wanna let it burn
Wanna let it burn, wanna, wanna let it burn

 

...

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks.  I certainly question the "police for profit" approach, as it creates undesired incentives like you point out.  Is this widespread?

I don't know how different PDs handle the territories/precincts.  I technically live in the city of Phoenix, but it is a suburban section of relatively low crime.  I was once told that there is a single cruiser dedicated to our area of 80K+ people (this was a while back, we probably have two now!).  If I see three or four units at a scene, I know some ish is going down.  Anyway, back on topic, if Phoenix has a profit motive, I would find it hard to believe that the folks cruising my suburbia have the same "quota" as those in higher-crime areas.  

Yes, it is.   Like I said, I know cops around here in WI and it's not like we are swimming in crime here outside of Milwaukee and few areas, so I would say you and I are in sort of similar situations with regard for low crime areas.   There are reports of similar all over the country - New York was exposed for similar things as well.    No, it's not the same level, and I was never trying to imply that - but in the suburbs you still have cops pulling people over for mild infractions, right?     Do you think Cop A who writes out 50 tickets a month is looked at the same as officer B only doing 5?   If there isn't a ton of crime, there also isn't many ways besides stats like that to justify your job to the higher ups, right?   

[RLLD 4,230]

26 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

We still don't see eye to eye on this.    I think this thread is a great example of this, and I saw it on the other boards and all over as well.   Yes, the liberal MEDIA undercuts things like the violence in the, and of course parts of the party didn't say much.  People in real life or online I've interacted with?  Not a person was for that violence and though it was wrong.    The opposite is true for something like 1/6 - most people on the right undercut the police getting assualted and any of the violence that happened.  Just grandma's taking selfies, right?     For intolerance we need to look no further than trans and lbgtq issues for both sides.   Abortion?  Yep, we can talk about clinics getting bombed and death threats.  I don't think that is from the left.    I view it differently than most, but I see things like book "bans" and things like that as cancellation - both sides are fully on board with that and pushing out other viewpoints.   

You sense a disparity and I sense a disparity......  

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

For anyone who wants to learn how quickly a riot can occur following an incident of police brutality against black people, I suggest watching the Spike Lee classic film Do The Right Thing. That movie is over 30 years old but its basic truths continue to resonate. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Explaining away and excusing violent riots. Talk about being in a cult. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

For anyone who wants to learn how quickly a riot can occur following an incident of police brutality against black people, I suggest watching the Spike Lee classic film Do The Right Thing. That movie is over 30 years old but its basic truths continue to resonate. 

Sure. Will get right on that. Nothing like burning cities down. Thousands of black people kill thousands of people every year. But one cop kills a black drugged out violent criminal and it's time to burn down cities and loot and destroy every store in site.

You're such a genius. 

[MDC 7,427]

I have yet to see any left leaning Geek defend violence, looting and riots. Plenty of Geek MAGAtards defend 1/6 though. 

[Fnord 2,272]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not at all. If the police stop you, then work with them.  They are the wall between us and the criminals. As a non-criminal, I have never objected to the police. If you have a problem with the police, it is likely the problem is NOT the police 

I grew up in a rural area, pretty much completely devoid of minorities. When I was a kid, we WERE the minority. Ever seen undercover cops at a keg party? I have. Ever been pulled over, searched, and grilled because you had the audacity to stop at a soda vending machine at 1:00 am? I have. Been questioned and searched because you were wearing shorts outside in the middle of winter? Pulled over late at night because the cop saw you drinking a big gulp while driving and assumed there was alcohol in it?

Obviously this is nothing compared to what can occur in a city, but it exemplifies my point. FWIW, I was never in trouble in these instances because I wasn't doing anything wrong. But I really fuking hated the local cops, because they targeted the hell out of us for no good reason.

[RogerDodger 798]

Late night keg party, but it was totally unreasonable to think there might be alcohol in that big gulp cup.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

I have yet to see any left leaning Geek defend violence, looting and riots. Plenty of Geek MAGAtards defend 1/6 though. 

Triggered. Lol 

[shadrap 228]

9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I grew up in a rural area, pretty much completely devoid of minorities. When I was a kid, we WERE the minority. Ever seen undercover cops at a keg party? I have. Ever been pulled over, searched, and grilled because you had the audacity to stop at a soda vending machine at 1:00 am? I have. Been questioned and searched because you were wearing shorts outside in the middle of winter? Pulled over late at night because the cop saw you drinking a big gulp while driving and assumed there was alcohol in it?

Obviously this is nothing compared to what can occur in a city, but it exemplifies my point. FWIW, I was never in trouble in these instances because I wasn't doing anything wrong. But I really fuking hated the local cops, because they targeted the hell out of us for no good reason.

Me too as far as growing up.  hung out in a bowling/pool hall because I wasn't good enough or big enough for football.  we were the guys who didn't go for all the ra ra stuff that encompasses high school, did drugs & alcohol before anyone else & got pulled over many times for doing nothing.   thing is we always did what the cops said, took our lumps when required, & moved on with a little more street smarts.  it is what it is.  53% of violent crime is committed by 13% of blacks & it's actually 53% is committed by 6% of blacks because almost all of these are by male blacks.   I just wish they would own up to it; look in the mirror & say I'm a major league fock up.  but no, we have people like the real Tim blaming it on systematic racism or some god forsaken stupid reason other than the individual.  we have passed that bridge.  I'm sorry but this is no longer whiteys fault.  This is the fault of those committing crimes.  Own it & fix it!  I can't do it for you and neither can government.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Cops broke up my kegger! I hate cops! Let it go. 

[RLLD 4,230]

13 hours ago, Fnord said:

I grew up in a rural area, pretty much completely devoid of minorities. When I was a kid, we WERE the minority. Ever seen undercover cops at a keg party? I have. Ever been pulled over, searched, and grilled because you had the audacity to stop at a soda vending machine at 1:00 am? I have. Been questioned and searched because you were wearing shorts outside in the middle of winter? Pulled over late at night because the cop saw you drinking a big gulp while driving and assumed there was alcohol in it?

Obviously this is nothing compared to what can occur in a city, but it exemplifies my point. FWIW, I was never in trouble in these instances because I wasn't doing anything wrong. But I really fuking hated the local cops, because they targeted the hell out of us for no good reason.

I am not inclined to having my feeling hurt so eaily, notably when I have done something wrong and know I am simply being held accountable for it. 

[Fnord 2,272]

19 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Late night keg party, but it was totally unreasonable to think there might be alcohol in that big gulp cup.   

Separate incidents genius. In your part of the world it's common for county cops to go undercover at a kegger?

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Separate incidents genius. In your part of the world it's common for county cops to go undercover at a kegger?

The clown show is back. 

[Fnord 2,272]

5 hours ago, RLLD said:

I am not inclined to having my feeling hurt so eaily, notably when I have done something wrong and know I am simply being held accountable for it. 

I didn't do anything wrong in any of the incidents I mentioned, all of which were unrelated and happened at different times.

LOL at you guys thinking I'm still somehow butt hurt about it or still have an axe to grind with cops. I'm just relaying personal experiences. They opened my eyes for sure.

[Fnord 2,272]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The clown show is back. 

Would you prefer I start a new thread, short round?

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Would you prefer I start a new thread, short round?

I don't care what you do Corky. You're just a clown. 

[RogerDodger 798]

13 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Separate incidents genius. In your part of the world it's common for county cops to go undercover at a kegger?

This:

18 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Cops broke up my kegger! I hate cops! Let it go. 

Let me get this straight, your real world experience of cop racism is them trying to break up your black kegger in the 1980s?

We literally had guys assigned to hide the kegs and split the scene with the taps so they wouldn't get confiscated because they followed us around so much.  100% white.  OMG, I just realized, they hated white people!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

17 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

This:

Let me get this straight, your real world experience of cop racism is them trying to break up your black kegger in the 1980s?

We literally had guys assigned to hide the kegs and split the scene with the taps so they wouldn't get confiscated because they followed us around so much.  100% white.  OMG, I just realized, they hated white people!

I got 11 speeding tickets between 1985- 88. Racist ! One of the troopers was black! He got me twice. Had nothing to do with the fact that I was speeding of course. 

[RLLD 4,230]

28 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I didn't do anything wrong in any of the incidents I mentioned, all of which were unrelated and happened at different times.

LOL at you guys thinking I'm still somehow butt hurt about it or still have an axe to grind with cops. I'm just relaying personal experiences. They opened my eyes for sure.

The sheep hate the sheep dog....until the wolves come sniffing around....

[Fnord 2,272]

20 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

This:

Let me get this straight, your real world experience of cop racism is them trying to break up your black kegger in the 1980s?

We literally had guys assigned to hide the kegs and split the scene with the taps so they wouldn't get confiscated because they followed us around so much.  100% white.  OMG, I just realized, they hated white people!

 

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I got 11 speeding tickets between 1985- 88. Racist ! One of the troopers was black! He got me twice. Had nothing to do with the fact that I was speeding of course. 

God you guys suck at reading comprehension. Or you're just that fuking dumb. Nowhere in my posts did I claim racism. Go ahead and read it again, slowly.

It wasn't my keg party, and I arrived just in time to pass a breathalyzer and drive a couple of people home. Everyone that didn't pass a breathalyzer got a minor consumption ticket AND 24 hours in jail. That night is enshrined in local legend.

[RogerDodger 798]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

It wasn't my keg party, and I arrived just in time to pass a breathalyzer and drive a couple of people home. Everyone that didn't pass a breathalyzer got a minor consumption ticket AND 24 hours in jail. That night is enshrined in local legend.

Wow, that must mean a lot to you.  For us it was just another Saturday night.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

God you guys suck at reading comprehension. Or you're just that fuking dumb. Nowhere in my posts did I claim racism. Go ahead and read it again, slowly.

It wasn't my keg party, and I arrived just in time to pass a breathalyzer and drive a couple of people home. Everyone that didn't pass a breathalyzer got a minor consumption ticket AND 24 hours in jail. That night is enshrined in local legend.

Oh. I’m still wondering how I got all those speeding tickets and I was stopped numerous other times? I’m white as Fock. Did I not get my white privilege card? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

It’s so funny that people drive in this country and think it’s difficult to pull someone over for a serious infraction.  I can count about 10 on my way to work every day. Now put a lot of cops in an urban setting and the best they can come up with is racism? I got news for you. Cops let a lot, lot more things go then they actually take action on. People in cities actually think it’s ok to stop in the middle of the street to run into a store if they have their flashers on.  I could have spent half the day giving out tickets for that alone. Not a one in 20 years. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s so funny that people drive in this country and think it’s difficult to pull someone over for a serious infraction.  I can count about 10 on my way to work every day. Now put a lot of cops in an urban setting and the best they can come up with is racism? I got news for you. Cops let a lot, lot more things go then they actually take action on. People in cities actually think it’s ok to stop in the middle of the street to run into a store if they have their flashers on.  I could have spent half the day giving out tickets for that alone. Not a one in 20 years. 

How that and people that don't get pulled over for tailgating at 45 mph+ is just mind boggling. 

I would love to see more of these losers off the road.

[Fnord 2,272]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. I’m still wondering how I got all those speeding tickets and I was stopped numerous other times? I’m white as Fock. Did I not get my white privilege card? 

Slow down dumbass. Also, use your whiteness better. I've found I can get away with quite a bit on the road being a respectable looking middle age white dude in a late model vehicle.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

51 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Slow down dumbass. Also, use your whiteness better. I've found I can get away with quite a bit on the road being a respectable looking middle age white dude in a late model vehicle.

Oh. I was an active duty member of the armed forces all yes sir, no sir.  Still racked them up. Racist! 

[seafoam1 3,025]

Ok. So no one can say how the the selfiefest was worse than the 2020 liberal riots.

Got it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

39 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So no one can say how the the selfiefest was worse than the 2020 liberal riots.

Got it. 

People told you, but you were never going to listen or agree anyway. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So no one can say how the the selfiefest was worse than the 2020 liberal riots.

Got it. 

They said it, they just failed at it. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They said it, they just failed at it. 

Yes. They told me but simply didn't make the case. Not in the least. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

On 9/14/2023 at 10:35 AM, GutterBoy said:

The problems with many police forces is that they are corrupt across all levels.  By "Disbanding" the police force and replacing it with a new police force, it eliminates corruption, reduces costs, and reduces crime.

I don't know why the right has this "Cops can do no wrong" mantra.

Psycho. Loves cops now. Well, the Jan 6 ones. 

[RLLD 4,230]

As  a political weapon, this strategy on the part of the Democrats seems to have not worked.  I am grateful.  This shows that people can see past the lies. 

[MDC 7,427]

At the GC, nobody defends the 2020 riots but several Geeks support the 1/6 sore loser parade or think it was a Deep State inside job. 

[jonmx 2,429]

29 minutes ago, MDC said:

At the GC, nobody defends the 2020 riots but several Geeks support the 1/6 sore loser parade or think it was a Deep State inside job. 

'nobody defends'....what a crock of crap.   The complete complacency was a defense.  Anyone proclaiming the protestors were mostly peaceful were absolutely defending it.  The DAs who refuse to charge violent looters and arsonists were defending the summer of love rioters.  The DA who prosecuted anyone who dare stood up to the rioters were defending the rioters.  The groups who were putting up billboards 'No Justice, No Peace' were defending the rioters.  The mayor's and governors who refused to send in the national gaurd to defend the cities were defending ding the rioters.  The politicians who spoke at the rallies which ultimately resulted in riots, were justifying these actions.

What a complete load of crap you spew.   Those riots had a ton of support, that is what allowed them to go on for so long.  

[MDC 7,427]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

'nobody defends'....what a crock of crap.   The complete complacency was a defense.  Anyone proclaiming the protestors were mostly peaceful were absolutely defending it.  The DAs who refuse to charge violent looters and arsonists were defending the summer of love rioters.  The DA who prosecuted anyone who dare stood up to the rioters were defending the rioters.  The groups who were putting up billboards 'No Justice, No Peace' were defending the rioters.  The mayor's and governors who refused to send in the national gaurd to defend the cities were defending ding the rioters.  The politicians who spoke at the rallies which ultimately resulted in riots, were justifying these actions.

What a complete load of crap you spew.   Those riots had a ton of support, that is what allowed them to go on for so long.  

I said the difference “at the GC” is that nobody here defends it. Not one Geek supported the 2020 riots or justified it in any way. On the other hand, several Geeks think 1/6 was great. And goobers like you think it was an inside job.

HTH

[jonmx 2,429]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I said the difference “at the GC” is that nobody here defends it. Not one Geek supported the 2020 riots or justified it in any way. On the other hand, several Geeks think 1/6 was great. And goobers like you think it was an inside job.

HTH

Oh there were numerous people excusing and supporting every item I listed above.   Of course nobody says they support violence, but their words suggest otherwise. But to accept it and allow it to happen is to condone it.   

[MDC 7,427]

Just now, jonmx said:

Oh there were numerous people excusing and supporting every item I listed above.   Of course nobody says they support violence, but their words suggest otherwise. But to accept it and allow it to happen is to condone it.   

It’s hard to unpack your deranged stream of consciousness babble item by item. There probably were Geeks saying the protests were mostly peaceful. Like the 1/6 sore loser parade, the 2020 protests were mostly peaceful. No Geeks ever condoned rioting or looting. But several Geeks defend 1/6 or think it was an inside job. HTH

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

16 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Oh there were numerous people excusing and supporting every item I listed above.   Of course nobody says they support violence, but their words suggest otherwise. But to accept it and allow it to happen is to condone it.   

Prove it with quotes