John Kelly is not a Trump fan

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Tardcore has posted this Robert Gates quote multiple times all over the Ukraine thread. I guess we’re supposed to take Gates’ word for it but disregard Kelly. 

 

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9 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

There are times that Trump would help himself by like 10 thousand percent total by just occasionally shutting up. 

85 percent of the time, Trump is legitimately being openly persecuted and the activist MSM and most of Big Social Media are just trying to spin anything possible to use him as a deflection point for Team Blue's horrific public policies, corruption and scandals. 

But about 15 percent of the time, Trump is just a total imbecile. Do I believe 2020 POTUS was a "free and fair" election? No, I don't. I believe both sides cheated as much as they could. But the DNC and Team Blue simply had more horses in that race to do it. Instead of just shutting up, gathering his assets and making a clean run at 2024 ( then go on a revenge tour later during his 2nd term, albeit with that gap), he had to make everything harder than it had to be. 

Biden's a mess. Biden has said and done things that will have a devastating negative impact on the US military for generations to come. However it's a separate issue from Trump being totally exhausting. 

Look at Sean Spicer and Huckabee Sanders, Trump's insanity probably shaved off decades off their lifespan in turmoil and stress. 

This is like a new NFL GM who walks onto a team with huge problems. You already have big problems, don't take each situation and make it worse. Your job, at minimum, is to not cause a crash and burn for stuff that is already on the edge. If nearly the entire activist MSM is gunning for you, don't give them any ammo to use against you. 

All Trump had to do in 2016 was say nothing. Say literally zero. Let Kellyanne Conway run the country. Then when he got reelected, then say whatever he wants. Go for broke then. But Trump can't do that. He just can't stop himself from always trying to be the total center of attention at all times. 

BINGO!

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Tardcore has posted this Robert Gates quote multiple times all over the Ukraine thread. I guess we’re supposed to take Gates’ word for it but disregard Kelly. 

 

All Kelly did is, at best, reaffirm that Trump is an a-hole. But I didn’t hear him saying what he got wrong.  Now the other guy that we are comparing him to,  ….well he’s got a bucket full of Fock ups. And he’s an a-hole as well. It’s 2:30 a-hole. 

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14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All Kelly did is, at best, reaffirm that Trump is an a-hole. But I didn’t hear him saying what he got wrong.   

Here ya go. Over 30,000 outright lies or fock ups. Quoted and fact checked. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

 

 

 

BTW, calling soldiers losers, disrespecting the wounded, calling for the execution of our top military leader... I don't know how those get classified. 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Here ya go. Over 30,000 outright lies or fock ups. Quoted and fact checked. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

 

 

 

BTW, calling soldiers losers, disrespecting the wounded, calling for the execution of our top military leader... I don't know how those get classified. 

 

 

 

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Lol. Oh so with the two choices we have, you want to make it about lies. Biden got his crackhead son a special commission. Knowing he was a crackhead. Yes, very respectful of the military. GTFO. 

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2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Hell Trump trashed John McCain left and right.  You're ok with that I assume?

Absolutely , I can separate McCain the war veteran with McCain the politician . Like Trump , McCain was a vulgarian and also had a major role in the Steele dossier . He much like Pierre Delecto were consumed by jealousy that Donald accomplished what they couldn’t. Now I wouldn’t have spoken about mccain but I don’t have a problem with Donald doing it after all he’s endured 

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Was Kelly lying then or is he lying now??

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2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Did Biden say soldiers were morons?  Did he say he didn't want wounded soldiers in his parade?

Please give an example of how Biden has contempt for the military.

Hell Trump trashed John McCain left and right.  You're ok with that I assume?

I’m sure you jumped to McCains defense when the left was branding him a racist. I guess you were ok with that? 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m sure you jumped to McCains defense when the left was branding him a racist. I guess you were ok with that? 

Good times back then . Everything was much more innocent 

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Madonna kicked off her [article id="1587065"]Sticky & Sweet Tour[/article] in the U.K. Saturday, and stirred up a beehive of controversy by comparing Republican presidential nominee John McCain to Adolf Hitler in a video montage during the show.

During the song "Get Stupid," Madonna flashed images of McCain alongside photos of Hitler and brutal Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, as well as images of destruction and global warming, according to British paper The Times.

By contrast, in the next segment of the performance, she used the image of Democratic nominee Barack Obama alongside pictures of John Lennon, Mahatma Ghandi and Al Gore.

 

 

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Good times back then . Everything was much more innocent 

 

The whole leftist establishment went full bore against McCain, saying worse things than Trump did. Now they want to use him.  Disgusting. 

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Anybody on the left say McCain isn’t a war hero?

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4 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

How anyone can be so slavishly devoted to Trump after Kelly confirmed what we all knew was true to begin with.

Trump dodged the draft.  He hates our military.  He actually has contempt for our military just like he has contempt for his slavish fans.

All you who think Trump cares an iota about what happens to you or your family will feel really foolish when Trump is thankfully gone from the spotlight.  Trump cares about Trump, nothing else.

But keep carrying the water for this dumb, silver spoon, woman abusing rich guy.  Essentially everyone who's worked for him tells us what a horrible person he is.

You can not be ruled a draft dodger if you were never drafted. Also there are no such thing as loopholes. Just clear things up

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This thread is a microcosm of what we are facing as a nation. There is no news, no evidence that will turn Trump’s supporters away from him. No matter what happens they will find excuses, or blame Democrats, or both. 

There is nothing to be done with these people. I still think most of them are good people, and that they have been duped, But at a certain point you must take responsibility for having been duped. The only thing the rest of us can do is try to beat them at the ballot box. I sure hope we can. 

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2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Inflation exploded because of Trump.  Job losses exploded because of Trump.  NATO was fractured under Trump.  The debt exploded under Trump.

Your definition of focking things up is certainly different than mine.

How do you feel about just about everyone who worked directly for Trump telling the world what an imbecile he is?  I assume you think they're all lying because only Trump tells the truth?

Trump caused Covid??? And fock nato. Nato is a group of countries riding the coattails of our military and money. Not our problem

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Anybody on the left say McCain isn’t a war hero?

Criticizing McCain the politician isn’t criticizing McCain the war veteran. The same crap was thrown out there about Obama. If you weren’t 100% lockstep with dear leader you were racist

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9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Criticizing McCain the politician isn’t criticizing McCain the war veteran. The same crap was thrown out there about Obama. If you weren’t 100% lockstep with dear leader you were racist

Was Trump criticizing McCain the politician or McCain the war veteran when he said McCain wasn’t a war hero?

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3 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Inflation exploded because of Trump.  Job losses exploded because of Trump.  NATO was fractured under Trump.  The debt exploded under Trump.

Your definition of focking things up is certainly different than mine.

How do you feel about just about everyone who worked directly for Trump telling the world what an imbecile he is?  I assume you think they're all lying because only Trump tells the truth?

We were assured inflation was transitory. 

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11 minutes ago, MDC said:

Was Trump criticizing McCain the politician or McCain the war veteran when he said McCain wasn’t a war hero?

He was a war veteran, I tip my cap to him. Maybe I wouldn’t if he tried to destroy me, I don’t know. Different strokes for different folks and all that. 

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1 hour ago, wiffleball said:

Here ya go. Over 30,000 outright lies or fock ups. Quoted and fact checked. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

 

 

 

BTW, calling soldiers losers, disrespecting the wounded, calling for the execution of our top military leader... I don't know how those get classified. 

 

 

 

  (Where exactly IS Nambia?  Like Narnia?)

Ahh I remember this amazing article. Some of trumps famous lies include I’m building a wall I think stated something like 11000 times  complete lie cause some of it was a fence.  Another one of his lies they listed was there were so many cheeseburgers. They must have been a mile high

meanwhile you support a plagiarist and guy who even lied about why he was running for president. (Good people on both sides hoax)

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24 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Trump caused Covid??? And fock nato. Nato is a group of countries riding the coattails of our military and money. Not our problem

It doesn’t matter if he caused it, it happened and focked everything up around the world. 

The US is doing pretty well coming out of it comparatively.

 

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16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We were assured inflation was transitory. 

What is inflation at now?

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Just now, thegeneral said:

It doesn’t matter if he caused it, it happened and focked everything up around the world. 

The US is doing pretty well coming out of it comparatively.

 

I was quoting the fact that the inflation is because of trump. That is all. Read the context. Inflation was cause of Covid. How both presidents handled the financial has flat garbage. However when trump did it there was zero data or options. Biden doubled down and is still doing it 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All Kelly did is, at best, reaffirm that Trump is an a-hole. But I didn’t hear him saying what he got wrong.  Now the other guy that we are comparing him to,  ….well he’s got a bucket full of Fock ups. And he’s an a-hole as well. It’s 2:30 a-hole. 

Kelly said “God help us” at the prospect of Trump winning again

 

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17 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

He was a war veteran, I tip my cap to him. Maybe I wouldn’t if he tried to destroy me, I don’t know. Different strokes for different folks and all that. 

Just asking where Wutaboutism Pilot got the idea that liberals said worse things about McCain. I’m guessing these things were either related to his political positions / work in Congress, which is fair game, or said by lefties well below the position of major party candidate. Dude lies a lot.

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33 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What is inflation at now?

$5.10/gallon

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How about we stipulate that: 

1. Trump did not cause Covid. 
2. Biden did not cause inflation. 

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

What is inflation at now?

It’s awesome. Just locked in my heating oil. 60 cents more a gallon than last year. Hallelujah! 

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Kelly said “God help us” at the prospect of Trump winning again

 

The military is doing great under Biden. 

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In like how Kelly tosses in the Jews for affect.  Major red flag. Israel has no greater friend than Trump in the White House. His grandchildren and daughter are Jewish as well. Many Jews in his administration.  

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14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not hard to figure out what’s going on here, having all of these former military guys speaking out now, years later. It’s not going to wipe away the disaster in Afghanistan and Biden disrespecting the families of the dead. Those are visuals and devastating. 

You’re right, it’s not hard to see what’s going on.

These guys are realizing Trump could actually come back.

So they were going to hold their tongues out of respect for the office.

But now that they realize they need to speak up to avert disaster, they are doing the right thing and making sure the American people know what a dangerous piece of sh1t this person really is.

Unfortunately, it may not matter. We shall see

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s awesome. Just locked in my heating oil. 60 cents more a gallon than last year. Hallelujah! 

Interesting.  Gas is way less now than it was last year at this time.  Methinks you're being taken to the cleaners.

	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
2022	3.315	3.517	4.222	4.109	4.444	4.929	4.559	3.975	3.7	3.815	3.685	3.21
2023	3.339	3.389	3.422	3.603	3.555	3.571	3.597	3.84	3.836

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2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Interesting.  Gas is way less now than it was last year at this time.  Methinks you're being taken to the cleaners.

	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
2022	3.315	3.517	4.222	4.109	4.444	4.929	4.559	3.975	3.7	3.815	3.685	3.21
2023	3.339	3.389	3.422	3.603	3.555	3.571	3.597	3.84	3.836

That’s great. But I said home heating oil. Funny I wasn’t getting ripped off 4 years ago. They just decided to start ripping everyone off now. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s great. But I said home heating oil. Funny I wasn’t getting ripped off 4 years ago. They just decided to start ripping everyone off now. 

I'll wager you weren't paying that much less four years ago.  It's amazing how the american president controls the energy market.

Also did you know that 2023 will have the largest domestic production of oil in history?  Funny because conservatives tell us that Biden cancelled all domestic production. 

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re right, it’s not hard to see what’s going on.

These guys are realizing Trump could actually come back.

So they were going to hold their tongues out of respect for the office.

But now that they realize they need to speak up to avert disaster, they are doing the right thing and making sure the American people know what a dangerous piece of sh1t this person really is.

Unfortunately, it may not matter. We shall see

Well, we were told how dangerous he was before he got elected. I don’t think he was based on the body of work. Funny Putin wasn’t invading Ukraine back then. Unless you’re upset about bombing Putins aircraft In Syria? Or taking out terrorists? 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s great. But I said home heating oil. Funny I wasn’t getting ripped off 4 years ago. They just decided to start ripping everyone off now. 

How much do you pay for heating oil?

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The military is doing great under Biden. 

The discussion you started was that Kelly, a guy who worked closely with Trump, wasn’t speaking about anything other than him being an ahole.

It is very it goes much beyond him being the world’s biggest - “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law” and “God help us”

The amount of people who have worked with him who then slam him is very, very long. 

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Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

I'll wager you weren't paying that much less four years ago.  It's amazing how the american president controls the energy market.

Also did you know that 2023 will have the largest domestic production of oil in history?  Funny because conservatives tell us that Biden cancelled all domestic production. 

I was paying much less four years ago. I know that seeing as I was the one paying it. Now I’m paying even more than last year. Let’s see, the government controls every aspect of energy, but they can’t have any affect on the price. Ok. 

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This is not really confirmation. Kelly is clearly referencing media reports.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was paying much less four years ago. I know that seeing as I was the one paying it. Now I’m paying even more than last year. Let’s see, the government controls every aspect of energy, but they can’t have any affect on the price. Ok. 

The US government controls worldwide energy production and prices?

Interesting.  

And how much more do you reckon you're paying this year than four years ago?

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Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

The US government controls worldwide energy production and prices?

Interesting.  

And how much more do you reckon you're paying this year?

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/heating-oil