War in Israel

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

War is hell. Shouldn’t start any. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Look this is not a good situation. I don’t believe Israel is conducting this war consistent with American values. Seems like many of the Israelis feel this way as well. The problem is Netanyahu. I think Biden needs to cut off aid. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look this is not a good situation. I don’t believe Israel is conducting this war consistent with American values. Seems like many of the Israelis feel this way as well. The problem is Netanyahu. I think Biden needs to cut off aid. 

You only care because it’s putting a hurting on Biden and the democrats. 

[Strike 5,570]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look this is not a good situation. I don’t believe Israel is conducting this war consistent with American values. Seems like many of the Israelis feel this way as well. The problem is Netanyahu. I think Biden needs to cut off aid. 

What a load of crap.  Every poll I've seen since October shows the majority of Israelis support eradicating Hamas and have no problem with what Netanyahu is doing, and on the other side every poll I've seen shows the majority of Palestinians support Hamas and believe they've done nothing wrong.  This is really a pretty simple situation, and it should be easy to pick a side.  Those who oppose Israel are disgusting people IMO.  Welcome to the club oh disgusting one.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Imagine cucking yourself for rapists and murderers who state they are going to do it again. 

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think Biden needs to cut off aid. 

And Ukraine? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You only care because it’s putting a hurting on Biden and the democrats. 

That isn’t true. I have very close ties to Israel including family members. This whole situation is very important to me. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

What a load of crap.  Every poll I've seen since October shows the majority of Israelis support eradicating Hamas and have no problem with what Netanyahu is doing, and on the other side every poll I've seen shows the majority of Palestinians support Hamas and believe they've done nothing wrong.  This is really a pretty simple situation, and it should be easy to pick a side.  Those who oppose Israel are disgusting people IMO.  Welcome to the club oh disgusting one.

You’re correct that the majority of Israelis feel that way. But many don’t, and that is what I wrote. It is anything but a simple situation. Israel is not eradicating Hamas and they appear to have no plan as to when this war ends and how it ends. This war is making Israel less safe not more. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And Ukraine? 

No. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Apparently you guys have learned nothing from our disastrous wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, and Israel has learned nothing from its previous occupations. It’s so frustrating and tragic to see history repeat itself over and over. 

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[Strike 5,570]

38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct that the majority of Israelis feel that way. But many don’t, and that is what I wrote. It is anything but a simple situation. Israel is not eradicating Hamas and they appear to have no plan as to when this war ends and how it ends. This war is making Israel less safe not more. 

Yes, both things can be true.  But it's dumb to say that "many" Israelis don't feel like Netanyahu is conducting this war consistent with "American values."  Guess what Tim?  Israel isn't America.  They have their own values, many of which overlap with ours.  But one of theirs is a clear line having to do with defending themselves.  Apparently, if Biden represents "American values", our values are to let anyone who wants to walk in to our country, commit all sorts of crimes, squat in people's homes, and do nothing about it.  If those are our values give me Israeli values all day long. 

But taking a large country and saying "many" people disagree with something is pretty much moronic.  How many is many?  It would be almost impossible NOT to be able to make that statement.  Let me ask you a simple question.  Do you think it's fair to say that "many" American don't believe Biden's policies are consistent with American values?  Yes or no will suffice.

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yes, both things can be true.  But it's dumb to say that "many" Israelis don't feel like Netanyahu is conducting this war consistent with "American values."  Guess what Tim?  Israel isn't America.  They have their own values, many of which overlap with ours.  But one of theirs is a clear line having to do with defending themselves.  Apparently, if Biden represents "American values", our values are to let anyone who wants to walk in to our country, commit all sorts of crimes, squat in people's homes, and do nothing about it.  If those are our values give me Israeli values all day long. 

But taking a large country and saying "many" people disagree with something is pretty much moronic.  How many is many?  It would be almost impossible NOT to be able to make that statement.  Let me ask you a simple question.  Do you think it's fair to say that "many" American don't believe Biden's policies are consistent with American values?  Yes or no will suffice.

I think maybe 40% of Israelis disagree with how Netanyahu is handling this war. Thats many. I think that number will grow. 
 

You’ll have to be be more specific about Biden. He has a high disapproval rate but it’s divided in lots of different subjects. 

[Strike 5,570]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think maybe 40% of Israelis disagree with how Netanyahu is handling this war. Thats many. I think that number will grow. 
 

You’ll have to be be more specific about Biden. He has a high disapproval rate but it’s divided in lots of different subjects. 

You think?  Your "thoughts" are not consistent with the polling I've seen.  And you can't answer a simple yes/no question where the answer is obvious.  OBVIOUS.  Would be for ANY President.  Because we are a large country.  There will ALWAYS be "many" people who think the President isn't acting consistent with "American values" whatever the fock that means.  The fact that you can't answer a question with as obvious an answer as " what is 2+2"  is very telling.    And tiring.

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look this is not a good situation. I don’t believe Israel is conducting this war consistent with American values. Seems like many of the Israelis feel this way as well. The problem is Netanyahu. I think Biden needs to cut off aid. 

shut up

[Gepetto 1,372]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What action would Trump have taken? Please elaborate. 

Intelligence information gathering about all U.S. citizen hostage locations and movements, stealth helicopters, seal team(s), get in, get our citizens, get out. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

51 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Intelligence information gathering about all U.S. citizen hostage locations and movements, stealth helicopters, seal team(s), get in, get our citizens, get out. 

Yeah OK. This isn’t 24, guy. You want me to shut up, but you need to get real. 
 

The truth is that when Trump as President was met with a crisis he did what he’s done his entire life- crawl under the bed, refuse to make any decisions, and look for people to blame. No reason to believe he would have acted differently this time. At least in Biden we have a leader who tries to act responsiblity and isn’t a pu$$y. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

You think?  Your "thoughts" are not consistent with the polling I've seen.  And you can't answer a simple yes/no question where the answer is obvious.  OBVIOUS.  Would be for ANY President.  Because we are a large country.  There will ALWAYS be "many" people who think the President isn't acting consistent with "American values" whatever the fock that means.  The fact that you can't answer a question with as obvious an answer as " what is 2+2"  is very telling.    And tiring.

Whats tiring is your black and white views that have no bearing on reality. Netanyahu is allowing for the deaths of innocent people in order to stay in power. He’s not defeating Hamas. He’s making Israel less safe. Your willingness to support him whatever he does is, frankly idiotic. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Why are people still talking about a two state solution when the Palestinians have consistently rejected that? From the river to the sea isn’t a meaningless chant. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why are people still talking about a two state solution when the Palestinians have consistently rejected that? From the river to the sea isn’t a meaningless chant. 

Because not every Palestinian has rejected it and because it’s still the only solution that is viable. Ultimately Israel cannot survive without a state of Palestine. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Thousands of protesters march in Tel Aviv, demand an end to the war and Netanyahu to step down: 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-06-24/index.html

@Strike this is what I meant by “many Israelis”. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thousands of protesters march in Tel Aviv, demand an end to the war and Netanyahu to step down: 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-06-24/index.html

@Strike this is what I meant by “many Israelis”. 

Self hating Anti Semites, all of them.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Self hating Anti Semites, all of them.  

If they don't want to wait for the Palestinians to do  them in, they can get a MAiD pod in Canada.

[Strike 5,570]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thousands of protesters march in Tel Aviv, demand an end to the war and Netanyahu to step down: 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-06-24/index.html

@Strike this is what I meant by “many Israelis”. 

Give me a percentage.

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

On 4/4/2024 at 8:38 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Because not every Palestinian has rejected it and because it’s still the only solution that is viable. Ultimately Israel cannot survive without a state of Palestine. 

Exactly this. The Palestinians are savage 3rd World refugees. 

Can you imagine if Mexico or Canada was constantly lobbing mortars & missiles into The United States? We would level Mexico. How can anyone be against Isreal in this? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Give me a percentage.

I have no idea. 
 

But at some point Netanyahu is going to be forced to hold an election. That election will be, in effect, a referendum of his actions in Gaza. Then we will know. 

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Exactly this. The Palestinians are savage 3rd World refugees. 

Can you imagine if Mexico or Canada was constantly lobbing mortars & missiles into The United States? We would level Mexico. How can anyone be against Isreal in this? 

Intersectional people hate Western Civilization and always root for the underdog, even a rabid, vicious underdog. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Intersectional people hate Western Civilization and always root for the underdog, even a rabid, vicious underdog. 

And Liberals are a violent, sadistic breed anyhow. 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Exactly this. The Palestinians are savage 3rd World refugees. 

Can you imagine if Mexico or Canada was constantly lobbing mortars & missiles into The United States? We would level Mexico. How can anyone be against Isreal in this? 

You need to study a little Palestinian history. 
Seriously you are letting Trump’s bigotry (calling whole groups of people savages and animals) rub off on you. It’s sad and frankly very un-American. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

Liberals look to an Autistic Kid to tell them what to think because they can't think for themselves. 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Liberals look to an Autistic Kid to tell them what to think because they can't think for themselves. 

 

 

That’s.a fake poster. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s.a fake poster. 

No way

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s.a fake poster. 

Nice try, you worship an Autistic Weather person 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Nice try, you worship an Autistic Weather person 

It’s fake. 
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023/10/fact-check-greta-thunberg-did-not-post-photo-of-herself-holding-6-million-wasnt-enough-sign.html

You’re posting fake stuff, irresponsibly feeding into your hatred and bigotry. And it isn’t the first time. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s fake. 
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023/10/fact-check-greta-thunberg-did-not-post-photo-of-herself-holding-6-million-wasnt-enough-sign.html

You’re posting fake stuff, irresponsibly feeding into your hatred and bigotry. And it isn’t the first time. 

It’s real to me! 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s real to me! 

I know you think you’re being humorous or sarcastic, but actually this statement represents your delusional stance on about 90% of the issues you comment on in this forum. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

It's a sad state of affairs when people alter images or other more heinous uses of deep fakes to misrepresent politicians or political actors or anyone else. Photoshopping is easy for people who aren't me. You may recall the Johnny Cash recording of him singing the Barbie theme song was funny and harmless (and incredibly impressively done!). It also really drove home just how dangerous this can be in the hands of nefarious political actors, who can make Trump or Biden or in this case Greta Thunberg say whatever it is they want.

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It's a sad state of affairs when people alter images or other more heinous uses of deep fakes to misrepresent politicians or political actors or anyone else. Photoshopping is easy for people who aren't me, but the Johnny Cash recording of him singing the Barbie theme song was funny and harmless (and incredibly impressively done!) really drove home just how dangerous this can be in the hands of nefarious political actors, who can make Trump or Biden or in this case Greta Thunberg say whatever it is they want.

Agreed. I don’t even especially like Greta Thunberg. But this was just stupid. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I know you think you’re being humorous or sarcastic, but actually this statement represents your delusional stance on about 90% of the issues you comment on in this forum. 

Ok.  You think bringing in millions of uneducated, unvaccinated unvetted Illegals from all over the world is nothing but upside. You also believe that we should listen to a 12 year old and let them get a sex change operation or else they might kill themselves.  And I’m delusional. Have another drink. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

IDF leaving southern Gaza. Hamas declares victory.