Trump 42, Biden 36, RFK jr. 22....oh my!

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Trump is sitting out the debates of his own accord. What's he going to do, defend himself against a bunch of indictments and commission of sedition?

This is where your bullshlt falls apart. You hate fascists and fascism, then unironically support the candidate with the highest authoritarian tendencies, supported by those that hold the law in contempt. You're not too far away from being an anarchist/ terrorist. A few more months of whatever you're consuming oughtta get you there. Godspeed.

Indictments are are all bullshit.  Every business owner puffs up his financial statement.  Everyone has a rosey view of what their assets are worth, and the truth is Ttumps valuations are much closer to the market than what the Trump-hating judge says.  And it is beyond ridiculous that the New York prosecutor is turning a single legal tax deduction into 34 felony fraud charges.   It is sickening that you bastards cheerlead these gross abuses of the justice system to try to eliminate the opposition. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

17 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Biden is old as hell. He doesn’t have dementia. If he does how does he keep making House republicans his betch?

If the mental acuity of these dudes is your priority you should listen to one of Don’s speeches he’s reading off the promoter these days. Dude thinks he won the election, is rambling about windmills killing whales, mixing up leaders of countries, thinks he wasn’t indicted, confuses Obama and Biden, on and on. 

So if that's the case, then all of the ills of the country are because of the Democrats because they're the ones pulling the strings, even on the Republican side?  Good to know.

[Fnord 2,275]

13 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

This is more logistical for VPOTUS than for avoiding talks of "sedition" 

Trump has zero chance to be charged with sedition. It's pretty clear you are either reading sources that are making up sedition claims or you just don't understand the practical legal mechanics of actual sedition. 

I never claimed he would be charged with it, only that he'd have to defend himself in a debate against it. So your condescending remarks above are just wasted bandwidth. 

I'll add that there is no way he is able or willing to address those charges within a debate format, since he can't help himself when the opportunity arises to spout off about BS election lies and slander those that are involved in the ongoing prosecution. The simple act of doing that could further imperil him legally. He will not debate.

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6 hours ago, Fnord said:

I never claimed he would be charged with it, only that he'd have to defend himself in a debate against it. So your condescending remarks above are just wasted bandwidth. 

I'll add that there is no way he is able or willing to address those charges within a debate format, since he can't help himself when the opportunity arises to spout off about BS election lies and slander those that are involved in the ongoing prosecution. The simple act of doing that could further imperil him legally. He will not debate.

 

 

 

The narrative you are pushing is that if Trump showed up to one of these GOP debates, that some combination of DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy, Scott, Pence, Burgum, Hutchinson and/or Christie would accuse Donald Trump of sedition. Obviously someone on that stage would need to accuse Trump of actual sedition since why would Trump need to 'defend himself' from a claim of sedition otherwise? 

Now Pence, Christie and DeSantis have zero chance to be selected as a VPOTUS candidate if Trump wins the primary for the 2024 cycle. However particularly Haley, Scott and Ramaswamy are very prime candidates to split the ticket. Why would they accuse Trump of sedition during a debate? Then do what? Try to backtrack that later as a potential VPOTUS? 

Why would Pence, Christie, DeSantis, Burgum and/or Hutchinson do it since there is no legal pathway for it? To look stupid? ( i.e. as if they don't have the legal teams and common sense at their disposal to realize they shouldn't accuse Trump of something that isn't considered an actual legally viable pathway against him? ) 

What in the entire world are you even talking about? 

There is ZERO legal pathway to charge Trump with sedition. That's an extremely high legal bar. How does Team Blue and the DNC plan to skirt around the Brandenburg Test? If someone asked me if Brandenburg is likely outdated given the reality of changes in technology and speed of information, I'd actually agree with that. But it's the law on the books right now. And SCOTUS will not set Brandenburg on fire just to get Trump. Even if SCOTUS was loaded with liberals and leftists, they still wouldn't do it. The catastrophic legal slippery slope to that would split this country in half. 

You want to talk about "wasted bandwidth"? You are trying to sell the idea that Trump would walk into this hypothetical debate and be hammered with something that has no practical legal pathway against him ( Just because MSNBC tries to flirt with the idea for ratings doesn't mean their canned partisan hack job is in good faith) By potentially half the stage who want the VPOTUS slot themselves. 

Personally, I find Trump to be a total imbecile. He's a 4th rate failed narcissist grifter. I'm totally exhausted with his gutless trolling routine. I'd prefer he exit professional politics and never come back. However he's still an American citizen. And Team Blue and the DNC can't just try to leverage all major institutions beyond all practical legal and ethical measure to go get him and put him down because he won before and might actually win again. 

Why would anyone on that stage, even the ones that despise him the most, accuse of him of something that can't possible exist?  If someone hammered Trump over the documents case or Trump University, sure, that would make sense. But sedition? 

You're an idiot. You are saying stupid sh!t and then trying to flail around to defend it. It's pretty clear you don't understand sedition. Which is fine in that most Americans don't on a casual level. Most don't work anywhere near the law. But you could have looked it up. Instead you just make sh!t up and then you find the most ridiculous path to backtrack to try to paper mache it all away. You know who kept harping on "sedition"? CNN, MSNBC, plenty of the hard partisan left leaning outlets. Odds are you kept hearing and then just repeated it. 

I want to ping @Tree of Knowledge and @Patented Phil . See this guys? See what Fnord is doing here? This is what I'm talking about when I discuss the difference between a "traditional liberal" and a "leftist"  I have no quarrel with traditional liberals. But look at Fnord and his BS leftist flailing. This kind of stupidity is what you guys should expect from leftists. In real life, I know many traditional liberals. I don't agree with all of them, but some are really good people and good neighbors and assets to their community. However I've never met a leftist in my entire life that I've respected, nor trusted, nor thought was worth a single damn.  Mouthbreathers like Fnord trying to shovel his crap down Conservatives throats because he's too frail and arrogant to use Google. 

[Fnord 2,275]

1 hour ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

The narrative you are pushing is that if Trump showed up to one of these GOP debates, that some combination of DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy, Scott, Pence, Burgum, Hutchinson and/or Christie would accuse Donald Trump of sedition. Obviously someone on that stage would need to accuse Trump of actual sedition since why would Trump need to 'defend himself' from a claim of sedition otherwise? 

Now Pence, Christie and DeSantis have zero chance to be selected as a VPOTUS candidate if Trump wins the primary for the 2024 cycle. However particularly Haley, Scott and Ramaswamy are very prime candidates to split the ticket. Why would they accuse Trump of sedition during a debate? Then do what? Try to backtrack that later as a potential VPOTUS? 

Why would Pence, Christie, DeSantis, Burgum and/or Hutchinson do it since there is no legal pathway for it? To look stupid? ( i.e. as if they don't have the legal teams and common sense at their disposal to realize they shouldn't accuse Trump of something that isn't considered an actual legally viable pathway against him? ) 

What in the entire world are you even talking about? 

There is ZERO legal pathway to charge Trump with sedition. That's an extremely high legal bar. How does Team Blue and the DNC plan to skirt around the Brandenburg Test? If someone asked me if Brandenburg is likely outdated given the reality of changes in technology and speed of information, I'd actually agree with that. But it's the law on the books right now. And SCOTUS will not set Brandenburg on fire just to get Trump. Even if SCOTUS was loaded with liberals and leftists, they still wouldn't do it. The catastrophic legal slippery slope to that would split this country in half. 

You want to talk about "wasted bandwidth"? You are trying to sell the idea that Trump would walk into this hypothetical debate and be hammered with something that has no practical legal pathway against him ( Just because MSNBC tries to flirt with the idea for ratings doesn't mean their canned partisan hack job is in good faith) By potentially half the stage who want the VPOTUS slot themselves. 

Personally, I find Trump to be a total imbecile. He's a 4th rate failed narcissist grifter. I'm totally exhausted with his gutless trolling routine. I'd prefer he exit professional politics and never come back. However he's still an American citizen. And Team Blue and the DNC can't just try to leverage all major institutions beyond all practical legal and ethical measure to go get him and put him down because he won before and might actually win again. 

Why would anyone on that stage, even the ones that despise him the most, accuse of him of something that can't possible exist?  If someone hammered Trump over the documents case or Trump University, sure, that would make sense. But sedition? 

You're an idiot. You are saying stupid sh!t and then trying to flail around to defend it. It's pretty clear you don't understand sedition. Which is fine in that most Americans don't on a casual level. Most don't work anywhere near the law. But you could have looked it up. Instead you just make sh!t up and then you find the most ridiculous path to backtrack to try to paper mache it all away. You know who kept harping on "sedition"? CNN, MSNBC, plenty of the hard partisan left leaning outlets. Odds are you kept hearing and then just repeated it. 

I want to ping @Tree of Knowledge and @Patented Phil . See this guys? See what Fnord is doing here? This is what I'm talking about when I discuss the difference between a "traditional liberal" and a "leftist"  I have no quarrel with traditional liberals. But look at Fnord and his BS leftist flailing. This kind of stupidity is what you guys should expect from leftists. In real life, I know many traditional liberals. I don't agree with all of them, but some are really good people and good neighbors and assets to their community. However I've never met a leftist in my entire life that I've respected, nor trusted, nor thought was worth a single damn.  Mouthbreathers like Fnord trying to shovel his crap down Conservatives throats because he's too frail and arrogant to use Google. 

Jesus Christ. I was talking about there being no way Trump will debate Biden. THAT'S who will bring up sedition. You're entire diatribe above is just more wasted time based on your misconception. You're a long-winded mutherfuker that somehow says very little but manages to build platoons of strawmen. 

How about you stick to your hard-right fever dream dissertations and incessant video links and stop telling me or anyone else what we think. You, and everyone that does the same, are invariably full of shite, and are simply cultivating division and mistrust. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Can’t wait till Trump brings up Bidens beach house he bought for millions in cash after working for the government his whole life. And the corvette. 

[MDC 7,431]

Trump is going to call Biden out on grift.

You can’t make this up.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Stay down @Fnord

[Fnord 2,275]

15 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Stay down @Fnord

Appreciate the advice, but I'm not deterred. You're good people, Tree of Knowledge Dropper. You might be on the wrong side of history, but at least you're a decent person, which is more than can be said of many.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Appreciate the advice, but I'm not deterred. You're good people, Tree of Knowledge Dropper. You might be on the wrong side of history, but at least you're a decent person, which is more than can be said of many.

Good to know you’re pro war and corruption. 

[Flipper 61]

Just need to know how to spell his middle name for the write-in ... All of this yakety-yak can just float away any day ...

[jonmx 2,429]

12 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Good to know you’re pro war and corruption. 

Was that ever in doubt.  We have quite a few bootlickers in here.  

[jonmx 2,429]

15 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

The narrative you are pushing is that if Trump showed up to one of these GOP debates, that some combination of DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy, Scott, Pence, Burgum, Hutchinson and/or Christie would accuse Donald Trump of sedition. Obviously someone on that stage would need to accuse Trump of actual sedition since why would Trump need to 'defend himself' from a claim of sedition otherwise? 

Now Pence, Christie and DeSantis have zero chance to be selected as a VPOTUS candidate if Trump wins the primary for the 2024 cycle. However particularly Haley, Scott and Ramaswamy are very prime candidates to split the ticket. Why would they accuse Trump of sedition during a debate? Then do what? Try to backtrack that later as a potential VPOTUS? 

Why would Pence, Christie, DeSantis, Burgum and/or Hutchinson do it since there is no legal pathway for it? To look stupid? ( i.e. as if they don't have the legal teams and common sense at their disposal to realize they shouldn't accuse Trump of something that isn't considered an actual legally viable pathway against him? ) 

What in the entire world are you even talking about? 

There is ZERO legal pathway to charge Trump with sedition. That's an extremely high legal bar. How does Team Blue and the DNC plan to skirt around the Brandenburg Test? If someone asked me if Brandenburg is likely outdated given the reality of changes in technology and speed of information, I'd actually agree with that. But it's the law on the books right now. And SCOTUS will not set Brandenburg on fire just to get Trump. Even if SCOTUS was loaded with liberals and leftists, they still wouldn't do it. The catastrophic legal slippery slope to that would split this country in half. 

You want to talk about "wasted bandwidth"? You are trying to sell the idea that Trump would walk into this hypothetical debate and be hammered with something that has no practical legal pathway against him ( Just because MSNBC tries to flirt with the idea for ratings doesn't mean their canned partisan hack job is in good faith) By potentially half the stage who want the VPOTUS slot themselves. 

Personally, I find Trump to be a total imbecile. He's a 4th rate failed narcissist grifter. I'm totally exhausted with his gutless trolling routine. I'd prefer he exit professional politics and never come back. However he's still an American citizen. And Team Blue and the DNC can't just try to leverage all major institutions beyond all practical legal and ethical measure to go get him and put him down because he won before and might actually win again. 

Why would anyone on that stage, even the ones that despise him the most, accuse of him of something that can't possible exist?  If someone hammered Trump over the documents case or Trump University, sure, that would make sense. But sedition? 

You're an idiot. You are saying stupid sh!t and then trying to flail around to defend it. It's pretty clear you don't understand sedition. Which is fine in that most Americans don't on a casual level. Most don't work anywhere near the law. But you could have looked it up. Instead you just make sh!t up and then you find the most ridiculous path to backtrack to try to paper mache it all away. You know who kept harping on "sedition"? CNN, MSNBC, plenty of the hard partisan left leaning outlets. Odds are you kept hearing and then just repeated it. 

I want to ping @Tree of Knowledge and @Patented Phil . See this guys? See what Fnord is doing here? This is what I'm talking about when I discuss the difference between a "traditional liberal" and a "leftist"  I have no quarrel with traditional liberals. But look at Fnord and his BS leftist flailing. This kind of stupidity is what you guys should expect from leftists. In real life, I know many traditional liberals. I don't agree with all of them, but some are really good people and good neighbors and assets to their community. However I've never met a leftist in my entire life that I've respected, nor trusted, nor thought was worth a single damn.  Mouthbreathers like Fnord trying to shovel his crap down Conservatives throats because he's too frail and arrogant to use Google. 

A lot of your criticism of Trump is accurate, but gutless is not one of them.  That is probably his more endearing quality is his willingness to stand up to the media, the FBI, Congress, and state and federal prosecutors.   The abuse of power and massive corruption by the deep state has gotten way out of control and is making a joke out of our Constitution.   These organizations which are supposed to be defending the Constitution is its biggest enemy. 

[Fnord 2,275]

14 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Good to know you’re pro war and corruption. 

 

15 hours ago, Fnord said:

 Stop telling me or anyone else what we think. You, and everyone that does the same, are invariably full of shite, and are simply cultivating division and mistrust. 

 

[Fnord 2,275]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

A lot of your criticism of Trump is accurate, but gutless is not one of them.  That is probably his more endearing quality is his willingness to stand up to the media, the FBI, Congress, and state and federal prosecutors.   The abuse of power and massive corruption by the deep state has gotten way out of control and is making a joke out of our Constitution.   These organizations which are supposed to be defending the Constitution is its biggest enemy. 

Trump is the Constitution's biggest enemy.

You already know this. It's really unfortunate you cant allow it to sink in, or change your bootlicking bastard narrative to accommodate the TRUTH.

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Trump is the Constitution's biggest enemy.

You already know this. It's really unfortunate you cant allow it to sink in, or change your bootlicking bastard narrative to accommodate the TRUTH.

Says the bootlicker right on que.