No debate thread? Probably for the best

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Biden did not appear authoritarian enough for you.  But now that he is a mush head puppet and the authoritarians are running his administration, I am sure you have warmed up to even donating to Biden. 

Gutterboy is for the new thing. 

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11 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Vivek just called Hailey “ D!ck Cheney in 3” heels”.  
Also, Tim Scott seems decent, but he has no business there

 

The strategy here by Ramaswamy is to push Haley out of VPOTUS contention. Trump needs to split the ticket with a minority woman. Haley is the most ideal VPOTUS candidate EVER. There has never existed a political candidate, with her resume, demographic, background and lack of real scandal, more practically suited to slip right into the office of the Vice President. Her growing numbers, her appeal to suburban women voters, her Pro Israel stance (  for her entire career, has never wavered) and her desirability to the Military Industrial Complex are all value adds to Trump. 

What Ramaswamy is trying to do is associate Haley with all "America Last" policies happening right now ( i.e. Why is America sending billions overseas to total strangers than helping it's own citizens? This also drags in the issue of spending billions on illegal immigrants but not giving a single damn about Americans in poverty or the homeless crisis) 

The fight for VPOTUS, and even Speaker Of The House, is so fierce because the pathway to POTUS is so close to touch for them. No one would be surprised if the corporate establishment simply had Donald Trump assassinated at this point. In order to get Gavin Newsom on the ticket, Team Blue and the DNC need to "neutralize" Biden and Harris together. This is why you see Harris going on bizarre road trips, keep as much distance from Biden as possible. Because to linger too long in the same spot with Biden will simply encourage the corporate establishment to find the "simple solution" to their problem of Biden/Harris looking like a loser for the 2024 general election. 

If Trump wins POTUS, if he survives the legal battles, the clear cheating that will happen in the 2024 cycle and what will likely be a future assassination attempt on his life by the corporate establishment, he will likely offer Ramaswamy the Secretary Of Education post. 

[The Real timschochet 6,749]

28 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

If Trump wins POTUS, if he survives the legal battles, the clear cheating that will happen in the 2024 cycle and what will likely be a future assassination attempt on his life by the corporate establishment, he will likely offer Ramaswamy the Secretary Of Education post. 

You are your own level of crazy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,393]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You are your own level of crazy. 

You think men can menstruate.  

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9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I hate her tough guy position on the border. But other than that she comes off as pretty reasonable. Unfortunately these days conservatives don’t seem to want reasonable. They want Trump or Vivek. They embrace the crazy. So most Americans won’t have a choice but to vote for Biden even if most Americans don’t love him. 

We need somebody to jerk this country back to center-right, where it belongs. 

Then we can go back to being reasonable. 

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Its so weird living in another universe that libtards are in support of big war machine now. Jeezus what happened to you idiots 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,393]

21 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Its so weird living in another universe that libtards are in support of big war machine now. Jeezus what happened to you idiots 

The late actor, Ron Silver, was a raging liberal for much of his life (later converted). When he went to Clinton’s inaugural parade, he was upset that there was a military presence on display. Then someone told him “they are ours now”.  Leftists only care about power. And if you don’t wield power when you have it, you don’t have it.  

[Reality 3,121]

26 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Its so weird living in another universe that libtards are in support of big war machine now. Jeezus what happened to you idiots 

Blind loyalty.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

10 hours ago, Gepetto said:

She's pro war against Iran. She's a dangerous idiot. Another John McCain.

That’s true, she is too hawkish.

[The Real timschochet 6,749]

2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

It’s so weird living in another universe that libtards are in support of big war machine now. Jeezus what happened to you idiots 

Most of the people on the stage last night want to bomb Tehran. WTF are you even talking about? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,342]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Most of the people on the stage last night want to bomb Tehran. WTF are you even talking about? 

and the liberals here are supporting Haley, yet talk sh1t about the guys who don't want war

I am used to Republicans being warhawks, thats why I am not one, its just strange to see liberals all about war machine now

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

and the liberals here are supporting Haley, yet talk sh1t about the guys who don't want war

I am used to Republicans being warhawks, thats why I am not one, its just strange to see liberals all about war machine now

I'm not a liberal, nor am I a war machine.  I support Ukraine in the war against Russia, and I support Israel in their war against Hamas.  I don't think US troops should be used in either case, and I don't even think Israel needs any more money.

Out of the republican candidates, Haley is the most appealing to me, even though she is more hawkish than I would like.

Beavis (Vivek) is a non starter because he's a giant douche and would abandon our allies and let Russia and China take over the world.

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2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I'm not a liberal, nor am I a war machine.  I support Ukraine in the war against Russia, and I support Israel in their war against Hamas.  I don't think US troops should be used in either case, and I don't even think Israel needs any more money.

Out of the republican candidates, Haley is the most appealing to me, even though she is more hawkish than I would like.

Beavis (Vivek) is a non starter because he's a giant douche and would abandon our allies and let Russia and China take over the world.

China is already taking over the world, and Ukraine is not an ally, and you aren't a liberal lol

Russia can't even take over Ukraine, but you think they can take over the world

 

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

China is already taking over the world, and Ukraine is not an ally, and you aren't a liberal lol

Russia can't even take over Ukraine, but you think they can take over the world

 

Ukraine is an ally, and Russia would have already taken over Ukraine if we let them.

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31 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Ukraine is an ally, and Russia would have already taken over Ukraine if we let them.

you need to read some more then

cool though if they did they we could defend our actual allies like Poland and Germany if Russia advanced, which they wouldn't

just cause we overthrew the elected Ukranian govt in 2014, we feel obligated to spend billions 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you need to read some more then

cool though if they did they we could defend our actual allies like Poland and Germany if Russia advanced, which they wouldn't

just cause we overthrew the elected Ukranian govt in 2014, we feel obligated to spend billions 

Blame America first

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,342]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Blame America first

yes when America butts into other countries government, which creates these problems, it is an American problem

I am sure you are aware how bad venezuela, libya, syria, iraq, etc etc have been when we should have never stuck our heads in

I mean people like you and those you support claim to support democracy, yet Ukraine is not, and never has been, and the one election they did have America overthrew

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes when America butts into other countries government, which creates these problems, it is an American problem

I am sure you are aware how bad venezuela, libya, syria, iraq, etc etc have been when we should have never stuck our heads in

I mean people like you and those you support claim to support democracy, yet Ukraine is not, and never has been, and the one election they did have America overthrew

 

2019 never happened?

[Fnord 2,257]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes when America butts into other countries government, which creates these problems, it is an American problem

I am sure you are aware how bad venezuela, libya, syria, iraq, etc etc have been when we should have never stuck our heads in

I mean people like you and those you support claim to support democracy, yet Ukraine is not, and never has been, and the one election they did have America overthrew

 

The US installed Zelensky as president? First time I've heard that. Got a link?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2014? 2010? Going back to ‘91 these elections never happened?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Ukraine again scores a democratic election

Ukraine pulled off the March 31 election with no major hitch. Voting and ballot-counting proceeded smoothly. The Central Election Commission’s vote tallies corresponded with exit poll results and a non-governmental parallel count. The International Election Observer Mission (IEOM) released a preliminary assessment that noted some problems but termed the election competitive, reported that candidates campaigned freely, and said that the electorate had a broad choice.

The fact that Ukraine held a free, competitive presidential election should come as no surprise. The previous four presidential votes—the third round of the 2004 election (after the Supreme Court ordered a rerun of the run-off following the Orange Revolution), the general and run-off rounds of the 2010 election, and the 2014 election after the Maidan Revolution—all earned free, fair, and competitive assessments. Another indicator of a free and fair election: While he made it to the run-off, incumbent President Petro Poroshenko came in a distant second.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/five-key-things-to-know-about-ukraines-presidential-election/

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6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

The US installed Zelensky as president? First time I've heard that. Got a link?

I didn't say Zelensky

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-law-bans-pro-russia-parties-zelenskiy-signs/31849737.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

sounds like a democracy to me

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,342]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 

Ukraine again scores a democratic election

Ukraine pulled off the March 31 election with no major hitch. Voting and ballot-counting proceeded smoothly. The Central Election Commission’s vote tallies corresponded with exit poll results and a non-governmental parallel count. The International Election Observer Mission (IEOM) released a preliminary assessment that noted some problems but termed the election competitive, reported that candidates campaigned freely, and said that the electorate had a broad choice.

The fact that Ukraine held a free, competitive presidential election should come as no surprise. The previous four presidential votes—the third round of the 2004 election (after the Supreme Court ordered a rerun of the run-off following the Orange Revolution), the general and run-off rounds of the 2010 election, and the 2014 election after the Maidan Revolution—all earned free, fair, and competitive assessments. Another indicator of a free and fair election: While he made it to the run-off, incumbent President Petro Poroshenko came in a distant second.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/five-key-things-to-know-about-ukraines-presidential-election/

yep exactly, "free" the west meddling and pushing out the president that they didn't want in charge, remember when Russia meddled how much you cried?