Let's discuss the NFL's divisional round matchups

[cmh6476 1,010]

McCaffrey a full participant in practice

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

21 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

It was Miami in Germany for me because I went to the watch party in kc and they had an amazing brunch and it was a blast. 

From a football perspective, they didn't play any cupcakes imo.  Easiest game was the last week against chargers without herbert but they rested starters.  Best performance for them probably was the Miami game.   

Give me a team with a top 10 defense and pat mahomes any year.  It's a recipe for success. 

1-4 against playoff teams. No cupcakes? 12 of their games were against non playoff teams. 

[Voltaire 5,182]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

1-4 against playoff teams. No cupcakes? 12 of their games were against non playoff teams. 

I agree with him that Miami on a neutral field was their best win ... until Miami at home in the playoffs. They do have Mahomes, a solid D, lots of playoff experience,  and a track record of success but they haven't gotten out of 4th gear all season.

[DonS 3,292]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I agree with him that Miami on a neutral field was their best win ... until Miami at home in the playoffs. They do have Mahomes, a solid D, lots of playoff experience,  and a track record of success but they haven't gotten out of 4th gear all season.

Never underestimate the Taylor Swift factor!!!!  Millions of young white girls can't be wrong when it comes to football.

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19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

1-4 against playoff teams. No cupcakes? 12 of their games were against non playoff teams. 

Lost to the Lions by 1 first game of the year.   Ok.  Then they go on a nice 6 game run, beat the Jags, bears, Jets (who probably make the playoffs with rodgers), Vikings with cousins, Broncos and chargers with Herbert.  That's a good run against good teams.

Then they lose a shocker against the Broncos, then rebound nicely against the Fins before the bye week. 

They then lose to the eagles by 4 (ok), beat the raiders and then lose to the packers who aren't slouches. Another disappointment against the bills, beat the pats and once again letdown against the raiders.   Then the Bengals and chargers at the end weren't really contested games. 

They've been tested, but they are where they are; in a position to win three consecutive games.  That's your chiefs season narrated by cmh, but it isn't like it's just been an awful season.   Just not up to the standard of the Chiefs the last few years. 

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2 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Lost to the Dolphins by 1 last game of the year.   Ok.  Then they go on a nice 6 game run, beat the Jags, bears, Jets (who probably make the playoffs with rodgers), Vikings with cousins, Broncos and chargers with Herbert.  That's a good run against good teams.

Then they lose a shocker against the Broncos, then rebound nicely against the Fins before the bye week. 

They then lose to the eagles by 4 (ok), beat the raiders and then lose to the packers who aren't slouches. Another disappointed against the bills, beat the pats and once again letdown against the raiders.   Then the Bengals and chargers at the end weren't really contested games. 

 

They've been tested, but they are where they are; in s position to win three consecutive games.  That's your chiefs season narrated by cmh, but it isn't like it's just been an awful season.   Just not up to the standard of the Chiefs the last few years. 

Vikings with Cousins is solid win against what likely would have been a playoff team.

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Vikings with Cousins is solid win against what likely would have been a playoff team.

I edited that it wasn't all accurate at first

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

Jefferson hurt in the Vikings game. They lose if he plays the whole game. As long as we are playing the what if game. 

[DonS 3,292]

If KC loses on Sunday will we see Chiefs fans burning Taylor "Yoko Ono" Swift in effigy? 

[Voltaire 5,182]

2 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

I edited that it wasn't all accurate at first

The NFC North and AFC West had a lot of overlap games this season since they all played themselves and each other this year. We have some tough teams in the North, Green Bay is ahead of schedule,  Minny when Cousins is healthy, and soon Chicago, who are already pretty good and improved as the season went on, will cash in on their draft capitol.

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Jefferson hurt in the Vikings game. They lose if he plays the whole game. As long as we are playing the what if game. 

who's playing what if?  I'm playing when we beat dem Bills

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5 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

who's playing what if?  I'm playing when we beat dem Bills

The jets probably make the playoffs if they have Rodgers is ok to offer up as a good victory. The Vikings probably win if they had Jefferson the whole game. 

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17 minutes ago, DonS said:

If KC loses on Sunday will we see Chiefs fans burning Taylor "Yoko Ono" Swift in effigy? 

nah we just wait a few months until the chiefs have a new wr room, add some pieces via the draft and head into training camp with a mindset on our 9th consecutive AFC West division title.

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12 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

nah we just wait a few months until the chiefs have a new wr room, add some pieces via the draft and head into training camp with a mindset on our 9th consecutive AFC West division title.

Are you saying you want to move on from Toney? 

Rashee Rice has been a nice surprise for sure.  I had him on my fantasy team so he made me happy.  The fact that the rest of the WR corps have been a steaming pile of sh1t probably helped accelerate his maturation.

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Damn I was just looking stuff up, and it looks like 2014 was the last year the Chiefs failed to make the playoffs.  They are 13-6 in that span

I was 35 in 2014.  I think they're like 3-9 the rest of my time as a teen/adult, paying attention to this football team.  I'm starting to feel spoiled.

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1 minute ago, cmh6476 said:

Damn I was just looking stuff up, and it looks like 2014 was the last year the Chiefs failed to make the playoffs.  They are 13-6 in that span

I was 35 in 2014.  I think they're like 3-9 the rest of my time as an adult, paying attention to this football team.  I'm starting to feel spoiled.

Spoiled that they play pansies in their division like the people you hang with in life. 

You go girl. You are empowered!!

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Spoiled that they play pansies in their division like the people you hang with in life. 

You go girl. You are empowered!!

Their division sucks but that's not their fault. They only have to run their own ship soundly. Just couldn't find but one WR worth a damn.

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11 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Their division sucks but that's not their fault. They only have to run their own ship soundly. Just couldn't find but one WR worth a damn.

The dude is an idiot.  I'm referencing their playoff record, which most assuredly is opponents NOT in their division (for the most part), and he's saying it's because their division sucks.  Ok.

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6 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

The dude is an idiot. 

You are. So sad. 

Oh, boy. go chiefs. rah.

[DonS 3,292]

7 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

The dude is an idiot.  I'm referencing their playoff record, which most assuredly is opponents NOT in their division (for the most part), and he's saying it's because their division sucks.  Ok.

He may have been referring to your following statement:

nah we just wait a few months until the chiefs have a new wr room, add some pieces via the draft and head into training camp with a mindset on our 9th consecutive AFC West division title. 

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8 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

The dude is an idiot.  I'm referencing their playoff record, which most assuredly is opponents NOT in their division (for the most part), and he's saying it's because their division sucks.  Ok.

That division led to more Ws-> higher seed-> more home field-> play lower seeds

[Voltaire 5,182]

Been a long time since the days of Elway and Peyton in Denver. While the Chargers can sometimes gather all the pieces, they can never figure out how to put the puzzle together. As for the Raiders, they are just there to make it a quartet.

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4 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

That division led to more Ws-> higher seed-> more home field-> play lower seeds

I guess that would make more sense. 

 

However, it isn't what he quoted

[DonS 3,292]

https://x.com/bengalsben513/status/1747363633300910485?s=20

 

[Voltaire 5,182]

There's a lot to be said for finding a way to stay on top for so long. The Chiefs spend year-after-year picking at the back end of the draft. They can't pay/retain all the great players that make them successful, so they watch them go elsewhere and try to fill the gap. Can't be easy but they consistently pull the trick off.

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12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

There's a lot to be said for finding a way to stay on top for so long. The Chiefs spend year-after-year picking at the back end of the draft. They can't pay/retain all the great players that make them successful, so they watch them go elsewhere and try to fill the gap. Can't be easy but they consistently pull the trick off.

Hopefully you Lions are witnessing a shift in how your franchise is run.  You'll eventually need a franchise quarterback though.  Goff is a guy that might get you there in a random year, but not going to be consistently in the conversation year after year.

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1 hour ago, cmh6476 said:

Hopefully you Lions are witnessing a shift in how your franchise is run.  You'll eventually need a franchise quarterback though.  Goff is a guy that might get you there in a random year, but not going to be consistently in the conversation year after year.

No. When you take into account that Goff has been consistently putting up  better numbers than Mahomes all year, perhaps KC should move on from Mahomes.

Look, I thought Goff was a bridge QB when he arrived but that's not that case. I watch this dude every week and LA focked up. When Goff has an O-Line that can protect him, he's as deadly as anyone.  With Vaitai out for the year though, we can't afford to lose another O-Lineman; we're down to exactly five good/excellent ones and we need each of them to play every snap because the backups are all a huge step down. The offense is not only solid under Goff, it carries the team.

No, Detroit's Achilles Heel is the defense. A Goff-led offense can easily win a Super Bowl if he had a defense that pulled it's weight. Specifically, the non-Hutchinson pass rush and the cornerback(s). Getting James Houston back would be a huge boost, I'd thought for sure the start of the playoffs would mean he gets activated, but no, his return date continued to get pushed back anyway. There's no getting Moseley back. Just have to hope Vildor can hold his own. At least he's now supplanted Jerry Jacobs but that's not saying much, only a slight upgrade; either way, that CB2 spot continues to be where other teams pick on. Sadly Cam Sutton has strung together a bad few weeks in a row on the other side too, which is bad timing because most of the year he was getting it done. Moseley as CB1 and Sutton as CB2 was the plan going into the season and would be wonderful, but we don't have that.

Brad Holmes had uncovered a hidden gem undrafted rookie cornerback in training camp named Starling Thomas but he was among the last cuts made and the focking Cardinals plucked him off our practice squad. I don't rightly know how he's been doing in the desert but he did record plenty of playing time for them this year and he could have potentially been hugely helpful. Unfortunately, we kept Jacobs instead.

Anyway, Goff... until Stafford came along, we'd had gawd-awful QB play in Detroit over the years and Goff is an asset not a liability. It's not hard to imagine that he could have won the '90s Lions a Super Bowl or three. The offense is not the problem but if this is still the attitude of the rest of the league maybe the Lions can save money on resigning him.

That said, Green Bay seems to have stumbled on a good plan at developing QBs. Aaron Rodgers was a late first rounder who sat on his ass for years, the same thing happened with his successor Love. Maybe the Lions can follow that trajectory with Hendon Hooker. Not following the team, most of you guys likely hadn't noticed that he's healthy now. They've taken him off IR and he's being rostered as a QB3 which has allowed him to practice full speed for the last several weeks.

So there may be a plan in place anyway.

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1 hour ago, cmh6476 said:

Hopefully you Lions are witnessing a shift in how your franchise is run.  You'll eventually need a franchise quarterback though.  Goff is a guy that might get you there in a random year, but not going to be consistently in the conversation year after year.

What an uneducated dope...

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24 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

No. When you take into account that Goff has been consistently putting up  better numbers than Mahomes all year, perhaps KC should move on from Mahomes.

Look, I thought Goff was a bridge QB when he arrived but that's not that case. I watch this dude every week and LA focked up. When Goff has an O-Line that can protect him, he's as deadly as anyone.  With Vaitai out for the year though, we can't afford to lose another O-Lineman; we're down to exactly five good/excellent ones and we need each of them to play every snap because the backups are all a huge step down. The offense is not only solid under Goff, it carries the team.

No, Detroit's Achilles Heel is the defense. A Goff-led offense can easily win a Super Bowl if he had a defense that pulled it's weight. Specifically, the non-Hutchinson pass rush and the cornerback(s). Getting James Houston back would be a huge boost, I'd thought for sure the start of the playoffs would mean he gets activated, but no, his return date continued to get pushed back anyway. There's no getting Moseley back. Just have to hope Vildor can hold his own. At least he's now supplanted Jerry Jacobs but that's not saying much, only a slight upgrade; either way, that CB2 spot continues to be where other teams pick on. Sadly Cam Sutton has strung together a bad few weeks in a row on the other side too, which is bad timing because most of the year he was getting it done. Moseley as CB1 and Sutton as CB2 was the plan going into the season and would be wonderful, but we don't have that.

Brad Holmes had uncovered a hidden gem undrafted rookie cornerback in training camp named Starling Thomas but he was among the last cuts made and the focking Cardinals plucked him off our practice squad. I don't rightly know how he's been doing in the desert but he did record plenty of playing time for them this year and he could have potentially been hugely helpful. Unfortunately, we kept Jacobs instead.

Anyway, Goff... until Stafford came along, we'd had gawd-awful QB play in Detroit over the years and Goff is an asset not a liability. It's not hard to imagine that he could have won the '90s Lions a Super Bowl or three. The offense is not the problem but if this is still the attitude of the rest of the league maybe the Lions can save money on resigning him.

That said, Green Bay seems to have stumbled on a good plan at developing QBs. Aaron Rodgers was a late first rounder who sat on his ass for years, the same thing happened with his successor Love. Maybe the Lions can follow that trajectory with Hendon Hooker. Not following the team, most of you guys likely hadn't noticed that he's healthy now. They've taken him off IR and he's being rostered as a QB3 which has allowed him to practice full speed for the last several weeks.

So there may be a plan in place anyway.

Maybe?  I guess for me, to imagine what Mahomes would do with weapons like St. Brown, LaPorta, Reynolds, Gibbs and Montgomery...

Goff can certainly prove me wrong though.  Wouldn't be the first time I would be.

Also, also I think Mahomes sitting a year behind Alex Smith was a huge benefit to his quick success.

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24 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Maybe?  I guess for me, to imagine what Mahomes would do with weapons like St. Brown, LaPorta, Reynolds, Gibbs and Montgomery...

Goff can certainly prove me wrong though.  Wouldn't be the first time I would be.

Also, also I think Mahomes sitting a year behind Alex Smith was a huge benefit to his quick success.

And Jaemo. Considering what Mahomes did with Tyreek Hill, he would do wonders with Jaemo.

Goff is solid on short to intermediate routes whereas Stafford had a cannon could have used Jaemo much more effectively. People are down on Jaemo for his stupid suspension, and drops, for not living up to the hype. But the kid has a good attitude and he's always downfield blocking as if he were a 7th rounder trying to make the team, not a first round prima donna speedster. It's the mentality that filters through everyone in a WR room led by Amon-Ra St. Brown.

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7 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

nah we just wait a few months until the chiefs have a new wr room, add some pieces via the draft and head into training camp with a mindset on our 9th consecutive AFC West division title.

There it is!  Mahomes doesn't have enough weapons.  Lmao.

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6 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

Maybe?  I guess for me, to imagine what Mahomes would do with weapons like St. Brown, LaPorta, Reynolds, Gibbs and Montgomery...

Goff can certainly prove me wrong though.  Wouldn't be the first time I would be.

Also, also I think Mahomes sitting a year behind Alex Smith was a huge benefit to his quick success.

I genuinely don't understand the Goff hate.   He's played extremely well and he absolutely can get the Lions to the next level.   I was saying that last year.  He dropped off a bit with picks this year, but the guy is more than enough to win a superbowl with.   

I liked Stafford fine, but he could never get it done.  And his stats in Detroit are massively inflated due to a lot of his yards and TDS coming in garbage time.  

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44 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I genuinely don't understand the Goff hate.   He's played extremely well and he absolutely can get the Lions to the next level.   I was saying that last year.  He dropped off a bit with picks this year, but the guy is more than enough to win a superbowl with.   

I liked Stafford fine, but he could never get it done.  And his stats in Detroit are massively inflated due to a lot of his yards and TDS coming in garbage time.  

It's not hate.   It's the Alex Smith versus pat mahomes debate.   Nobody in kc hated Smith, he was a fine qb and a tremendous, stand-up dude.  He just isn't going to take your team to the next level like a guy like mahomes will.

I see Goff more in the Alex Smith mold than the pat mahomes mold.   And I don't ever want my team not to have a guy running the show like pat mahomes anymore.

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

There it is!  Mahomes doesn't have enough weapons.  Lmao.

Mahomes doesn't have the weapons he's had in past years.  And he doesn't have the weapons that Detroit has.  He's still getting the job done though. 

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3 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Mahomes doesn't have the weapons he's had in past years.  And he doesn't have the weapons that Detroit has.  He's still getting the job done though. 

NFC is full of weapons.  Then there is GB with a bunch of mid round rookies and 2nd year players.  Love doesn't care.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

NFC is full of weapons.  Then there is GB with a bunch of mid round rookies and 2nd year players.  Love doesn't care.  

KC leads the league in drops.   I can't tell you guys how many times this year a third down completion has bounced off our receivers hands and we get off the field and punt.  Its a problem. 

I remember watching preseason with my son in 2017, when he would have been ten.   Smith had been taking us to the playoffs, year after year and my son couldn't figure out why we needed a different qb.  Then Hill gets deep and Mahomes launches and his him in stride for a 60 yard in the air completion.   I'm like Michael, Alex Smith isn't doing that right there.   Since then pat has made him a believer. 

I haven't watched Goff enough to say he don't have it, but there aren't many humans who do have pat's natural abilities and determination to win. 

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32 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

It's not hate.   It's the Alex Smith versus pat mahomes debate.   Nobody in kc hated Smith, he was a fine qb and a tremendous, stand-up dude.  He just isn't going to take your team to the next level like a guy like mahomes will.

I see Goff more in the Alex Smith mold than the pat mahomes mold.   And I don't ever want my team not to have a guy running the show like pat mahomes anymore.

I don't agree.  Goff is a very very good QB.  Would I like a Mahomes?  Well sure.  Who wouldn't?  But he's more then enough to get them there, and win it.  

I don't wanna discuss this further.  I'm spouting Goff love, and now he will have a bad game Sunday, and it will be my fault the Lions lost.   

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13 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I don't agree.  Goff is a very very good QB.  Would I like a Mahomes?  Well sure.  Who wouldn't?  But he's more then enough to get them there, and win it.  

I think my opinion has been molded by being dominated by 1 or 2 QBs over the past 30 years in the afc.  It was awful.   However, it's nice for the tables to have turned and everyone else can suck it for awhile. 

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16 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I don't agree.  Goff is a very very good QB.  Would I like a Mahomes?  Well sure.  Who wouldn't?  But he's more then enough to get them there, and win it.  

I don't wanna discuss this further.  I'm spouting Goff love, and now he will have a bad game Sunday, and it will be my fault the Lions lost.   

I sorta wrote Goff off late with the Rams. Kid didn't even know which way thr sun came up as a rookie. 

He has surprised me.  Hes a solid QB.  I still think you get him outside in thr winter and hes liable to have a bad game.  Hes a top like 12ish QB.  Enough to win with.  Maybe Lions finish this thing out.  I still think their defense is meh.  But they get hot fot a couple more games and who knows.  Not like they have any cold games in front of them. 

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What was the 9ers signature win this year?  

The team GB just boat raced?  Or the team TB just thoughoughly embarrassed?

Probably the rams without kupp.