The Lib law of unintended consequences......

[Strike 5,327]

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-ordinance-intended-app-delivery-workers-hurting-them/281-9516c79c-3161-41f3-a662-798b9db16d3f

Who'd of thunk?

[RLLD 4,168]

And when people who have common sense attempt to explain this, often those who champion such galactically stupid ideas  roll their eyes and shrug as if the rest of us are just too dumb to understand.....

[TheNewGirl 1,409]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And when people who have common sense attempt to explain this, often those who champion such galactically stupid ideas  roll their eyes and shrug as if the rest of us are just too dumb to understand.....

Because they use words like "living wage" and "workplace protections." 

If those cost a company more, of course they pass that onto the consumer. That's the part that always gets me....you want $20 for McDonalds workers? Be prepared for your kids Happy Meal to go up to $10 instead of $6. (Or whatever they are now, I don't know). They THINK and they WANT you to believe that the CEOs and Execs are the ones that will take the cut for this stuff, but why? They just pass it onto the little people. 

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7 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Because they use words like "living wage" and "workplace protections." 

If those cost a company more, of course they pass that onto the consumer. That's the part that always gets me....you want $20 for McDonalds workers? Be prepared for your kids Happy Meal to go up to $10 instead of $6. (Or whatever they are now, I don't know). They THINK and they WANT you to believe that the CEOs and Execs are the ones that will take the cut for this stuff, but why? They just pass it onto the little people. 

A higher minimum wage means there is more money for the government tax.

[TheNewGirl 1,409]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

A higher minimum wage means there is more money for the government tax.

If they pay their taxes. 

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What a pain.  

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The Democrats have the best PR department in the world, the Main Stream Media.  They pander to the low income to secure their votes.  They pass bills that they know won't help, then when it's proven that it doesn't work, their PR department gets to work.  The media will be out there vilifying the consumer, the business, and Republicans (even when none exist), and tell you all the reasons why the elected officials were right, despite the fact that the results say otherwise.  This is how Democrats create their base.  They create victims, blame everyone else, and then tell you how they're going to fix things for you.... rinse and repeat.  There is no greater piece of garbage to ever walk this planet, than a Democrat politician.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,212]

Some of the information gleaned from reading the article that provides a little context. 

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One delivery worker said the new ordinance is hurting drivers and customers.

On top of that, Lardizabal and others told KING 5 they believe they are competing against more drivers now.

"Everybody in cars, planes, trains, automobiles, mopeds are converging on the city," Lardizabal said. "We're grinding. And we are for real not getting $26 an hour.”

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Some of the information gleaned from reading the article that provides a little context. 

 

Well, then its all good....the legislation that led to people who were being productive and happy no longer having it...well, fock them I guess....

[Mike Honcho 5,212]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, then its all good....the legislation that led to people who were being productive and happy no longer having it...well, fock them I guess....

You must go through a lot of 'Jump to Conclusions ' mat.  

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17 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Because they use words like "living wage" and "workplace protections." 

If those cost a company more, of course they pass that onto the consumer. That's the part that always gets me....you want $20 for McDonalds workers? Be prepared for your kids Happy Meal to go up to $10 instead of $6. (Or whatever they are now, I don't know). They THINK and they WANT you to believe that the CEOs and Execs are the ones that will take the cut for this stuff, but why? They just pass it onto the little people. 

You’re not wrong but the alternative is an increasing % of the workforce working low wage no benefit gig jobs. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

Or how about stop being lazy and cook something or pick it up on your own?? Nobody NEEDS door dash besides maybe elders. We were just fine prior. 

Loser Liberals think they deserve everything. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,111]

Portland legalized drugs 

Portland just declared a state of emergency due to drugs. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Portland legalized drugs 

Portland just declared a state of emergency due to drugs. 

 

[RLLD 4,168]

50 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You must go through a lot of 'Jump to Conclusions ' mat.  

When they pursue this legislation....and people such as myself lament that this will in the end harm the people they are pretending to help.....and call out exactly what will happen....and then that thing happens.....yeah, I am going to roll with my "conclusion"......

[Mike Honcho 5,212]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

When they pursue this legislation....and people such as myself lament that this will in the end harm the people they are pretending to help.....and call out exactly what will happen....and then that thing happens.....yeah, I am going to roll with my "conclusion"......

Even if your conclusion is based on the local reporter asking a couple of guys with door dash stickers hanging out at a restaurant, not taking any other factors or actual evidence into account. Good for you.

[Strike 5,327]

57 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re not wrong but the alternative is an increasing % of the workforce working low wage no benefit gig jobs. 

Really?  There was a time when the alternative was an increasing percentage of the workforce learning a marketable, decent paying skill.   And low wage jobs like being a fry cook at McDonalds or being a delivery driver were considered "transitory jobs" that you took while acquiring those marketable skills. 

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Really?  There was a time when the alternative was an increasing percentage of the workforce learning a marketable, decent paying skill.   And low wage jobs like being a fry cook at McDonalds or being a delivery driver were considered "transitory jobs" that you took while acquiring those marketable skills. 

Yeah there was a time that was true. Now upwards of a third of US workers are independent contractors of some type including gig workers. Maybe the Door Dash drivers can join former coal workers in coding school?

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Yeah there was a time that was true. Now upwards of a third of US workers are independent contractors of some type including gig workers. Maybe the Door Dash drivers can join former coal workers in coding school?

First of all, being a contract worker isn't a bad thing.  A good number of those work in decent paying professions so not sure why you're lumping them all in together.  That's what happened in CA when AB5 passed and focked over a LOT of people who enjoyed being independent contractors, including the former mayor of SF Willie Brown.  As far as gig workers go, so what?  I knew a guy who enjoyed being a pizza delivery guy.  The only reason he quit was he had a kid and needed health insurance for the kid.  But regardless, if someone chooses that line of work that's on them; either they chose it because of it's flexibility or due to a lack of skills.  The former is a personal choice and the latter is fixable if the person is so inclined.   Regardless, this bill isn't helping them, is it?

[RLLD 4,168]

14 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Even if your conclusion is based on the local reporter asking a couple of guys with door dash stickers hanging out at a restaurant, not taking any other factors or actual evidence into account. Good for you.

My "conclusion" is based on market awareness, macroeconomics and micro.....

Moreover, this is not at all difficult to project.  Which is why....one can easily assert.....raising the minimum wage hurts employment at the lowest strata, impeding people from access and person growth.  This is not some revelation so much as a documented truth...

I recall a poster here on this forearm, whom I will not name for now, who called BS when fast food chains started exploring more automation and less labor when the minimum wage was raised.....suggesting it was just a ploy.....but that person had no concept for ROI  and payback period....which became evident the more we spoke....and when you do not have this integral understanding, you make mistakes...

[RLLD 4,168]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

First of all, being a contract worker isn't a bad thing.  A good number of those work in decent paying professions so not sure why you're lumping them all in together.  That's what happened in CA when AB5 passed and focked over a LOT of people who enjoyed being independent contractors, including the former mayor of SF Willie Brown.  As far as gig workers go, so what?  I knew a guy who enjoyed being a pizza delivery guy.  The only reason he quit was he had a kid and needed health insurance for the kid.  But regardless, if someone chooses that line of work that's on them; either they chose it because of it's flexibility or due to a lack of skills.  The former is a personal choice and the latter is fixable if the person is so inclined.   Regardless, this bill isn't helping them, is it?

PLUS...if you have a unique skill set you are well-advised to sell yourself with some I9 arrangement with a company seeking a short term gig to help them out.

 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

First of all, being a contract worker isn't a bad thing.  A good number of those work in decent paying professions so not sure why you're lumping them all in together.  That's what happened in CA when AB5 passed and focked over a LOT of people who enjoyed being independent contractors, including the former mayor of SF Willie Brown.  As far as gig workers go, so what?  I knew a guy who enjoyed being a pizza delivery guy.  The only reason he quit was he had a kid and needed health insurance for the kid.  But regardless, if someone chooses that line of work that's on them; either they chose it because of it's flexibility or due to a lack of skills.  The former is a personal choice and the latter is fixable if the person is so inclined.   Regardless, this bill isn't helping them, is it?

I never said the bill was helping them. Just pointing out that an increasing % of US workers are non benefit independent contractors of some type. Some are small business owners and/or well paid. Others are being hired on a contract basis to do what used to be a salaried job, and then others are cobbling together freelance and gig work.

Overall it’s not a great trend.

[Strike 5,327]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I never said the bill was helping them. Just pointing out that an increasing % of US workers are non benefit independent contractors of some type. Some are small business owners and/or well paid. Others are being hired on a contract basis to do what used to be a salaried job, and then others are cobbling together freelance and gig work.

Overall it’s not a great trend.

Uh, small business owners have been around pretty much since this country was founded.  You do realize that most big companies started out as small businesses, don't you?   And as I said there are a lot of  people who enjoy contract work.  IOW, you're making a lot of assumptions.  And I'm not sure why you're doing so when this discussion should be focused on the gig workers.  Unless you've got specific stats about that particular demographic your broad generalization in trying to make some type of vague lib point is really not having it's intended impact.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Uh, small business owners have been around pretty much since this country was founded.  You do realize that most big companies started out as small businesses, don't you?   And as I said there are a lot of  people who enjoy contract work.  IOW, you're making a lot of assumptions.  And I'm not sure why you're doing so when this discussion should be focused on the gig workers.  Unless you've got specific stats about that particular demographic your broad generalization in trying to make some type of vague lib point is really not having it's intended impact.

My assumption is that the huge increase in the % of workers who are independent contractors of some type is due mostly to 1) businesses hiring non benefit contract workers to do jobs that used to be salaried to save $ and 2) a much higher % of people cobbling together low wage gig jobs to get by, vs. a boom in small businesses.

That’s a “lib point”? Mkay Bud.

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

My assumption is that the huge increase in the % of workers who are independent contractors of some type is due mostly to 1) businesses hiring non benefit contract workers to do jobs that used to be salaried to save $ and 2) a much higher % of people cobbling together low wage gig jobs to get by, vs. a boom in small businesses.

That’s a “lib point”? Mkay Bud.

Well, you know what they say about assumptions......

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Well, you know what they say about assumptions......

True. And the guy on the Door Dash commercials always talks about how much he likes the flexibility and having a little extra cash in his pocket. lol

[Engorgeous George 2,231]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

First of all, being a contract worker isn't a bad thing.  A good number of those work in decent paying professions so not sure why you're lumping them all in together.  That's what happened in CA when AB5 passed and focked over a LOT of people who enjoyed being independent contractors, including the former mayor of SF Willie Brown.  As far as gig workers go, so what?  I knew a guy who enjoyed being a pizza delivery guy.  The only reason he quit was he had a kid and needed health insurance for the kid.  But regardless, if someone chooses that line of work that's on them; either they chose it because of it's flexibility or due to a lack of skills.  The former is a personal choice and the latter is fixable if the person is so inclined.   Regardless, this bill isn't helping them, is it?

Did he have a college degree, and if so, was it from Nebraska?

[RLLD 4,168]

44 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, you know what they say about assumptions......

I think it is likely fair to assert that MDC had wayyyy more insights into minimum wage experiences than your I do......

[MDC 7,219]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think it is likely fair to assert that MDC had wayyyy more insights into minimum wage experiences than your I do......

Did you surmise that professor?