Trump's NY Election Interference Trial (Trial Continues, Trump fined, warned by Merchan)

[The Real timschochet 2,973]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Said neither the feds nor prior NY administrations

Because it’s sleazy and they were concerned with the political consequences. Doesn’t mean Bragg made the wrong decision. 

[jonmx 1,598]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Political persecution my a$S. Next time don’t pay off porn stars right before an election. Lock up this motherfocker, seriously. 

Hush money is not a crime.  Banging porn stars is not a crime.  Writing a memo on those payments saying legal expenses is not a crime.    New York is twisting laws and inventing crimes to.charge Trump with.  They have illegally ignored the statue of limitations.  They are illegally upgrading the law from a misdemeanor to a felony.  They are lying about some kind of federal campaign contribution violation was done. These lawyers and judges are abusing the system to do real interference in election and you bootlickers cheer on these abuses.  

I seriously can't stand you lying hypocrits.  You overlook our government colluding to suppress illegal activities by the Biden's which was also illegal interference in an election and you have no issue. 

Trump is not the one who interefered with the Democratic process.  Fuk people like you who cheer on these  authoritarian tactics.  You hate every principle this country stands for 

[The Real timschochet 2,973]

2 hours ago, jonmx said:

Hush money is not a crime.  Banging porn stars is not a crime.  Writing a memo on those payments saying legal expenses is not a crime.    New York is twisting laws and inventing crimes to.charge Trump with.  They have illegally ignored the statue of limitations.  They are illegally upgrading the law from a misdemeanor to a felony.  They are lying about some kind of federal campaign contribution violation was done. These lawyers and judges are abusing the system to do real interference in election and you bootlickers cheer on these abuses.  

I seriously can't stand you lying hypocrits.  You overlook our government colluding to suppress illegal activities by the Biden's which was also illegal interference in an election and you have no issue. 

Trump is not the one who interefered with the Democratic process.  Fuk people like you who cheer on these  authoritarian tactics.  You hate every principle this country stands for 

I should be asleep right now but your gross hyperbole woke me up. 

[BeachGuy23 516]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Said neither the feds nor prior NY administrations

LMFAO

The Trump DOJ didn't pursue a case against their orange master?

There's the proof we need!

WITCHHUNT!!!!

It's like you people don't have an ounce of critical thinking ability. 

[jonmx 1,598]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I should be asleep right now but your gross hyperbole woke me up. 

None of my points were hyperbole.   These cases are a gross abuse of power in a desparate attempt to help Biden win re-election.  Your hatred of Trump blinds you.

 

 

 

 

[BeachGuy23 516]

13 minutes ago, jonmx said:

None of my points were hyperbole.   These cases are a gross abuse of power in a desparate attempt to help Biden win re-election.  Your hatred of Trump blinds you.

 

 

 

 

You're nothing but a bootlicker for some establishment, rich guy who abuses the system for his own good.

Try living life not under the heel of a corrupt politician for a change.

[jonmx 1,598]

12 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You're nothing but a bootlicker for some establishment, rich guy who abuses the system for his own good.

Try living life not under the heel of a corrupt politician for a change.

Lol...there is one man standing up against the corrupt FBI, White House, DoJ, Soro-Prosecutors, and corrupt judges..  Here is a hint for the really really really stupid people.  One man is not the establishment.  The establishment is the corrupt institutions which have become way too powerful you stupid cok-suking moron.  

[BeachGuy23 516]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Lol...one man standing up against the corrupt FBI, White House, DoJ, Soro, Prosecutors, andccorrupt judges.  Here is a hint for the really really really stupid people.  One man is not the establishment.  The establishment is the corrupt institutions which have become way too powerful you stupid cok-suking moron.  

You're a boot licker for some rich dude who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Standing up against the establishment?  He filled with cabinet and advisors with the establishment you inbred moron.  He also used his power to syphon as much money into the company that he didn't give up like every other POTUS did that he could.

You're a disgusting, low IQ bootlicker.

I laugh at you. 

[jonmx 1,598]

6 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You're a boot licker for some rich dude who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Standing up against the establishment?  He filled with cabinet and advisors with the establishment you inbred moron.  He also used his power to syphon as much money into the company that he didn't give up like every other POTUS did that he could.

You're a disgusting, low IQ bootlicker.

I laugh at you. 

Like I give a fuk what actual bootlicking morons like you who worship at the alter of authoritarians asholes..  It is your type we had to fight wars against to get or keep the freedoms we have.  The only point you kind of get is his failure last time around was he did have too many corrupt backstabbing bastards in his administration who bootlick for the authoritarians like you do.   Only fuking brainwashed idiots hate free speech and hate a fair justice system.

[Ron_Artest 686]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I've tried to welcome you as a poster here, despite the advice of numerous other posters.  But I don't know what to do with your initial post.

"But the orange man is bad, right?"  What response to you expect from this?  Do you want me to say that it's OK for NY to dredge up old cases that both the feds and prior NY admins rightfully decided were nothingburgers, but the current admin decided that "orange man is bad, right?", so here we are, prosecuting the Republican POTUS candidate for it?  Sorry, I won't sign up for that.

Help me help you, if I'm missing something.

I'm gonna need you to back up this claim that others called this cases a nothing burger, but it was Biden that decided to go after Trump.  That just smacks of trump propaganda easily swallowed by your side.

I can't find anything to support that claim.

In fact here is a good article that lays out the history of this case and why it took so long.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/trump-hush-money-case-history-00152172

Tl:Dr it was delayed since trump was president, trump fought against the subpoena and released of records for years.

But I welcome anything you can provide to support your opinion.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,678]

1 hour ago, BeachGuy23 said:

LMFAO

The Trump DOJ didn't pursue a case against their orange master?

There's the proof we need!

WITCHHUNT!!!!

It's like you people don't have an ounce of critical thinking ability. 

The Biden DOJ turned the case down. It’s like you just say things. 

[jonmx 1,598]

30 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm gonna need you to back up this claim that others called this cases a nothing burger, but it was Biden that decided to go after Trump.  That just smacks of trump propaganda easily swallowed by your side.

I can't find anything to support that claim.

In fact here is a good article that lays out the history of this case and why it took so long.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/trump-hush-money-case-history-00152172

Tl:Dr it was delayed since trump was president, trump fought against the subpoena and released of records for years.

But I welcome anything you can provide to support your opinion.

Did you read you article.  It says so right there:

Several months later, after federal prosecutors said in a court filing that they had “effectively concluded” their investigation without bringing additional charges

Federal authorities thoroughly investigated the case and concluded there were no violations on Trump's part.  So then the state went into action and found obscure laws about fraudulent records that they could possibly charge Trump on, due to some questionable notes on check stubs.  The problem is they had to link these so-called fraudulent records to some felony.  The whole case revolves around insisting that Trump's payments were felony violations of campaign laws, which the feds have already concluded that it wasn 't.   The case is a complete farse and this NY judge is playing along.

[Ron_Artest 686]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Biden DOJ turned the case down. It’s like you just say things. 

If the Biden DOJ decided not to prosecute then how is this a Biden directed witch hunt?

[Alias Detective 1,180]

38 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm gonna need you to back up this claim that others called this cases a nothing burger, but it was Biden that decided to go after Trump.  That just smacks of trump propaganda easily swallowed by your side.

I can't find anything to support that claim.

In fact here is a good article that lays out the history of this case and why it took so long.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/trump-hush-money-case-history-00152172

Tl:Dr it was delayed since trump was president, trump fought against the subpoena and released of records for years.

But I welcome anything you can provide to support your opinion.

You are wanted in the battery thread.  They need you to back up you assertion that he got got.  Fuckstick

[Ron_Artest 686]

10 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Did you read you article.  It says so right there:

Several months later, after federal prosecutors said in a court filing that they had “effectively concluded” their investigation without bringing additional charges

Federal authorities thoroughly investigated the case and concluded there were no violations on Trump's part.  So then the state went into action and found obscure laws about fraudulent records that they could possibly charge Trump on, due to some questionable notes on check stubs.  The problem is they had to link these so-called fraudulent records to some felony.  The whole case revolves around insisting that Trump's payments were felony violations of campaign laws, which the feds have already concluded that it wasn 't.   The case is a complete farse and this NY judge is playing along.

Obviously you didn't read the article.

Though the prosecutors had gathered evidence of possible crimes by Trump, they couldn’t charge him due in part to longstanding Justice Department policy that bars federal authorities from bringing criminal charges against a sitting president.

Has nothing to do with the federal prosecutors finding no violations, you made that up.

Then after he lost and wasn't president, there was another reason the DOJ decided not to prosecute and that was regarding Cohen's plea deal.  They wanted Cohen to divulge all previous crimes which he refused to do.

The decision not to indict appeared to be rooted in lingering concerns about Mr. Cohen’s credibility and cooperation as a government witness.

The Southern District prosecutors had informed Mr. Cohen that he had to provide a comprehensive accounting of his conduct as a condition of a cooperation deal, but he declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct, if any, in his past, the prosecutors said in a 2018 court filing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/nyregion/justice-dept-trump-indictment-charges.html

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

[Ron_Artest 686]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

You are wanted in the battery thread.  They need you to back up you assertion that he got got.  Fuckstick

You're following me around to comment on a car battery?  Yeah I was wrong, I had no idea it was a Kia soul and they need special $250 batteries.  My bad.

[jonmx 1,598]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Obviously you didn't read the article.

Though the prosecutors had gathered evidence of possible crimes by Trump, they couldn’t charge him due in part to longstanding Justice Department policy that bars federal authorities from bringing criminal charges against a sitting president.

Has nothing to do with the federal prosecutors finding no violations, you made that up.

Then after he lost and wasn't president, there was another reason the DOJ decided not to prosecute and that was regarding Cohen's plea deal.  They wanted Cohen to divulge all previous crimes which he refused to do.

The decision not to indict appeared to be rooted in lingering concerns about Mr. Cohen’s credibility and cooperation as a government witness.

The Southern District prosecutors had informed Mr. Cohen that he had to provide a comprehensive accounting of his conduct as a condition of a cooperation deal, but he declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct, if any, in his past, the prosecutors said in a 2018 court filing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/nyregion/justice-dept-trump-indictment-charges.html

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

I see, so you did not read the article.  

[BeachGuy23 516]

27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Biden DOJ turned the case down. It’s like you just say things. 

Ron is skull cracking you moron cultist with citations as usual.

I just spit facts that you cultist should have learned by now to accept.

Cuck

[Ron_Artest 686]

9 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I see, so you did not read the article.  

You're a dishonest ass hole.

[Ron_Artest 686]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Ron is skull cracking you moron cultist with citations as usual.

I just spit facts that you cultist should have learned by now to accept.

Cuck

The lies and misinformation is astounding.

They don't care about the truth, they only care about protecting their leader.  It's sick.

[Alias Detective 1,180]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're following me around to comment on a car battery?  Yeah I was wrong, I had no idea it was a Kia soul and they need special $250 batteries.  My bad.

[Ron_Artest 686]

We saw it here the other day with retards calling the judge a POS for not letting Trump go to the graduation.

[IGotWorms 3,321]

lol Jerry is pretty solidly on tilt over for this for someone who “doesn’t really like Trump”

[BeachGuy23 516]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The lies and misinformation is astounding.

They don't care about the truth, they only care about protecting their leader.  It's sick.

Nothing but cucks.

[BeachGuy23 516]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

lol Jerry is pretty solidly on tilt over for this for someone who “doesn’t really like Trump”

Jerry is a cultist through and through.

He's just gaslighting us because he's embarrassed by it.

As he should be. 

[Ron_Artest 686]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

lol Jerry is pretty solidly on tilt over for this for someone who “doesn’t really like Trump”

Many trumpers are like this.  You got youre die hard maga idiots draped in trump flags with their F Joe Biden shirts saying trump is their savior.  No hope for them.

Then you got your Jerry crew who say they don't like trump but will try and defend him to no end.  Eventually they turn and decide they don't need to make excuse after excuse for such a vile disgusting person.  Jerry will get there.

[Ron_Artest 686]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

Jerry is a cultist through and through.

He's just gaslighting us because he's embarrassed by it.

As he should be. 

Sunk cost fallacy.  Defending trump all those years, and some of it rightfully so, they can't accept what a turd trump has become.  They keep defending before they realize they are no better than the guy yelling Hang Pence and beating up a cop.

[Horseman 1,515]

43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Sunk cost fallacy.  Defending trump all those years, and some of it rightfully so, they can't accept what a turd trump has become.  They keep defending before they realize they are no better than the guy yelling Hang Pence and beating up a cop.

 Midget that fell off the turnip wagon fallacy.  

[jerryskids 5,212]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm gonna need you to back up this claim that others called this cases a nothing burger, but it was Biden that decided to go after Trump.  That just smacks of trump propaganda easily swallowed by your side.

I can't find anything to support that claim.

In fact here is a good article that lays out the history of this case and why it took so long.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/trump-hush-money-case-history-00152172

Tl:Dr it was delayed since trump was president, trump fought against the subpoena and released of records for years.

But I welcome anything you can provide to support your opinion.

By admin, I meant NY admin. Sorry for the confusion.

[jerryskids 5,212]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

lol Jerry is pretty solidly on tilt over for this for someone who “doesn’t really like Trump”

I'm on tilt? Great detective work, counselor.

 

[Ron_Artest 686]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

By admin, I meant NY admin. Sorry for the confusion.

No problem.  So you're referring to Cy Vance and why he didn't prosecute.

In a 2023 interview, he explains why...

I think it's public record that we commenced the investigation at around the same time as the Southern District of New York did. I was asked - we were asked by the Southern District of New York to stand down. We did stand down for probably over a year. And then it got to the point where Michael Cohen was indicted and pleaded guilty, and then it stopped. So that was one reason why we didn't move forward at the beginning.

We were asked because the federal prosecutors were looking at it. They had better laws. So up until Michael Cohen pleaded guilty - and then this was really something that the federal government had asked that we not get involved with.

His statements contradict your statement that he thought it was a nothing burger.  Thoughts?

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/02/1167665437/former-manhattan-da-cyrus-vance-calls-trump-indictment-extraordinary-event

[jerryskids 5,212]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No problem.  So you're referring to Cy Vance and why he didn't prosecute.

In a 2023 interview, he explains why...

I think it's public record that we commenced the investigation at around the same time as the Southern District of New York did. I was asked - we were asked by the Southern District of New York to stand down. We did stand down for probably over a year. And then it got to the point where Michael Cohen was indicted and pleaded guilty, and then it stopped. So that was one reason why we didn't move forward at the beginning.

We were asked because the federal prosecutors were looking at it. They had better laws. So up until Michael Cohen pleaded guilty - and then this was really something that the federal government had asked that we not get involved with.

His statements contradict your statement that he thought it was a nothing burger.  Thoughts?

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/02/1167665437/former-manhattan-da-cyrus-vance-calls-trump-indictment-extraordinary-event

My thought is that "they had better laws" is an odd statement, almost like they were looking for some way to get Trump, vs. objectively prosecuting.

Also, I don't understand "and then it stopped."

Sounds like a guy who was under fire for not getting the mean orange man earlier, coming up with excuses.

[jerryskids 5,212]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Many trumpers are like this.  You got youre die hard maga idiots draped in trump flags with their F Joe Biden shirts saying trump is their savior.  No hope for them.

Then you got your Jerry crew who say they don't like trump but will try and defend him to no end.  Eventually they turn and decide they don't need to make excuse after excuse for such a vile disgusting person.  Jerry will get there.

I voted for Nikki Haley in the recent primary.  And this board is full of my posts supporting DeSantis initially until he flamed out, and stating that the Republicans would boat race to the presidency if they ran anyone but Trump.

Funny, this psychoanalysis coming from a centrist, except everything he posts is Left.  At least Worms owns his liberal dooshbaggery, as I own being a Republitard.  You don't even know what you believe.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,542]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I voted for Nikki Haley in the recent primary.  And this board is full of my posts supporting DeSantis initially until he flamed out, and stating that the Republicans would boat race to the presidency if they ran anyone but Trump.

Funny, this psychoanalysis coming from a centrist, except everything he posts is Left.  At least Worms owns his liberal dooshbaggery, as I own being a Republitard.  You don't even know what you believe.

He believes whatever his masters on the far-left plantation tell him to believe.  No thinking necessary on his part.

[Ron_Artest 686]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My thought is that "they had better laws" is an odd statement, almost like they were looking for some way to get Trump, vs. objectively prosecuting.

Also, I don't understand "and then it stopped."

Sounds like a guy who was under fire for not getting the mean orange man earlier, coming up with excuses.

So you've changed your story from "He thought it was a nothingburger" to "He couldn't prosecute him under NY Law" Is that correct?  But obviously Bragg can right?  Because he is.  We'll see if he's successful, but your argument that the only reason he is in court is because "Orange man is bad" is a BS argument right?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,542]

Waiting for BeachGhey to show up and post right after his fellow boyosexual. 

[Ron_Artest 686]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

He believes whatever his masters on the far-left plantation tell him to believe.  No thinking necessary on his part.

[jerryskids 5,212]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

So you've changed your story from "He thought it was a nothingburger" to "He couldn't prosecute him under NY Law" Is that correct?  But obviously Bragg can right?  Because he is.  We'll see if he's successful, but your argument that the only reason he is in court is because "Orange man is bad" is a BS argument right?

Nothing I said leads to that conclusion.  Otherwise, good post, good effort.

"They had better laws" means "we didn't have good enough laws to convict him", no?  And if the feds had better laws, then later decided not to pursue, what happened to suddenly make NY laws more betterer?

[Ron_Artest 686]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

"They had better laws" means "we didn't have good enough laws to convict him", no?  

Not necessarily, could mean "better chance", but as we know, Bragg is prosecuting and wouldn't do so unless he thought he could convict, so obviously NY has enough good laws to convict in his opinion, and a grand jury's opinion.

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And if the feds had better laws, then later decided not to pursue, what happened to suddenly make NY laws more betterer?

I already covered that.  You can read the post above. The fed wanted Cohen to make a plea deal and he refused.  So again it's not about the "nothingburger" that you lied about and thankfully will stop saying.

[jerryskids 5,212]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Not necessarily, could mean "better chance", but as we know, Bragg is prosecuting and wouldn't do so unless he thought he could convict, so obviously NY has enough good laws to convict in his opinion, and a grand jury's opinion.

I already covered that.  You can read the post above. The fed wanted Cohen to make a plea deal and he refused.  So again it's not about the "nothingburger" that you lied about and thankfully will stop saying.

Could mean, could not mean.  You speak pretty confidently about your interpretation of a bunch of weird statements from Vance.

The laws got more betterer when they figured out a way to up it to a felony.  Why wasn't it originally a felony?