Arizona indicts "fake elector" Clownzo boyos

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Curious timing, once again. Liberals are good with it though. 

Yeah we're good with election integrity, honesty, law and order, democracy, absolutely.

You're against all of it.  You're not an American, you only live here.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah we're good with election integrity, honesty, law and order, democracy, absolutely.

You're against all of it.  You're not an American, you only live here.

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Justice delayed is Justice denied. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

9 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I doubt they’ll go after Trump since the fake elector scheme is the cornerstone of the federal indictment against him (the election interference one), and he will be held to account there.

Technically the state charges may be different and it might possibly not constitute double jeopardy, but I don’t think they’ll go down that road.

Not a lawyer, but if the it's a federal charge, I think it's possible to be charged and tried for the same crime in state and federal court.

Though I agree, it's unlikely the state is going to do the same thing as Jack Smith is already doing. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Isn't it amazing that as soon as the story broke, cultist like Jerry, knowing zero details of the charges jump in with both feet to claim the charges were political.

And they wonder why we call them cultist...SMH

[5-Points 3,535]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

In layman terms...

In 2016 democratic electors from 2 states asked the Republican electors not to vote for Trump, knowing full well that they would anyway.

In 2020, Republicans from 7 states forged legal documents saying that they actually won the election, against the will of the voters, and they they were going to DC to elect Trump.  This was an illegal attempt to commit fraud and steal an election.  All these people, dozens of them, are now being indicted for their crimes.

For idiots like you, it the same thing, and anyone that thinks differently has TDS.

You've lost your mind.

 

52 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Tell me boyo, did you really think this was an attempt to steal the election?  Comparable to what the orange moron did?

Next this dude will bring up Alaska from 50 years ago that once again bears zero relation to Trump trying to steal the election by literally trying to replace the will of the people with his fake electors.

LMFAO

As expected, you guys were fine with it when the Dems tried it but think it's a crime when Trump tried it. 

Just one more thing, in the long list of things, that Trump was not the first to do but is the first to be charged with a crime for doing. Another ball of political sh!t the left is throwing against the wall in the hopes that it sticks. 

You would be ashamed if you had an ounce of integrity. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

12 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

As expected, you guys were fine with it when the Dems tried it but think it's a crime when Trump tried it. 

Just one more thing, in the long list of things, that Trump was not the first to do but is the first to be charged with a crime for doing. Another ball of political sh!t the left is throwing against the wall in the hopes that it sticks. 

You would be ashamed if you had an ounce of integrity. 

Please aware me boyo when the dems hatched a scheme to literally replace lawfully certified electors with fake electors.  Fake electors who were flown to DC and who tried to replace lawfully certified electors simply because of cultist feelz.

Aware me when that happened boyo. 

You can't because you've got nothing but stupid whataboutisms.

It's like when you people say democrats called elections rigged too because there were a couple of times when democrats cried about elections and you have the audacity to try to make that equivalent to Trump and tons of his sycophants and cultist 3+ years of non-stop lying about the election being stolen.  The two things aren't remotely comparable but you people try to do it anyway.

Freaking LMFAO

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

14 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

As expected, you guys were fine with it when the Dems tried it but think it's a crime when Trump tried it. 

Just one more thing, in the long list of things, that Trump was not the first to do but is the first to be charged with a crime for doing. Another ball of political sh!t the left is throwing against the wall in the hopes that it sticks. 

You would be ashamed if you had an ounce of integrity. 

They have zero integrity. Ron/ Gutterboy actually mocked a girl that was raped father because the rapist was trans. Think about that. A young girl raped at school and he took the rapists side. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

24 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

As expected, you guys were fine with it when the Dems tried it but think it's a crime when Trump tried it. 

Boyo, Dems didn't try this.  You can't be this stupid.

And for the record it's pretty lame for the Dems to ask republicans to not vote for Trump.  But it's criminal for Republicans to fraudulently declare themselves winners when they lost.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

37 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Isn't it amazing that as soon as the story broke, cultist like Jerry, knowing zero details of the charges jump in with both feet to claim the charges were political.

And they wonder why we call them cultist...SMH

Not only that, but they also claim that this could help Trump.  Enough with the BS about how these trials help Trump.  Trump is currently sitting in court, looking like a feeble old man, crying about being cold, crying about sitting in a chair, crying about his gag order.  None of this helps his image of a tough, alpha, law and order, strong candidate.

No smart person is going to see him catch more indictments and say to themselves, "Welp Trump has my vote now".  And since Trump is fighting and delaying all these cases, he knows that they hurt him.  He doesn't want to charged.  He's terrified of going to jail.  Such nonsense.

[double tour 90]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Boyo, Dems didn't try this.  You can't be this stupid.

And for the record it's pretty lame for the Dems to ask republicans to not vote for Trump.  But it's criminal for Republicans to fraudulently declare themselves winners when they lost.

It's crimal to call out cheaters now? 

[Gutterboys Flip Flops 110]

11 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Sure.  What undecided voter won’t be swayed by the guy who tried to steal the election?

Such a bizarre take you cultist have.

Morons...thats who.

[5-Points 3,535]

39 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Please aware me boyo when the dems hatched a scheme to literally replace lawfully certified electors with fake electors.  Fake electors who were flown to DC and who tried to replace lawfully certified electors simply because of cultist feelz.

Aware me when that happened boyo. 

You can't because you've got nothing but stupid whataboutisms.

It's like when you people say democrats called elections rigged too because there were a couple of times when democrats cried about elections and you have the audacity to try to make that equivalent to Trump and tons of his sycophants and cultist 3+ years of non-stop lying about the election being stolen.  The two things aren't remotely comparable but you people try to do it anyway.

Freaking LMFAO

 

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Boyo, Dems didn't try this.  You can't be this stupid.

And for the record it's pretty lame for the Dems to ask republicans to not vote for Trump.  But it's criminal for Republicans to fraudulently declare themselves winners when they lost.

Was the plan, in both instances, to have electors change the outcome of an election by voting contrary to their mandate?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a liar. If you answer "yes", you're a hypocrite. 

Take your pick.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Interesting development.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

 

Was the plan, in both instances, to have electors change the outcome of an election by voting contrary to their mandate?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a liar. If you answer "yes", you're a hypocrite. 

Take your pick.

Was the plan, in both instances, to fraudulently declare that you won the election in an attempt to steal the election?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a doosh. If you answer "yes", you're a retard. 

Take your pick.

[double tour 90]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Was the plan, in both instances, to fraudulently declare that you won the election in an attempt to steal the election?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a doosh. If you answer "yes", you're a retard. 

Take your pick.

"Fraudulently". 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Not a lawyer

That makes two of us  

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

29 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

Was the plan, in both instances, to have electors change the outcome of an election by voting contrary to their mandate?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a liar. If you answer "yes", you're a hypocrite. 

Take your pick.

Yeah, but the "Dem plan" if you call for that was to ask duly elected electors to vote faithlessly. IIRC, electors not voting for the candidate they are pledged isn't even mandated in all states. Pretty sure most have made it some type of crime, but it varies. Asking electors to not vote for their pledged candidate isn't a crime though. 

Submitting fake electors to Congress is fraud, plain and simple. They were not the certified electors. Big difference in the two instances. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

21 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah, but the "Dem plan" if you call for that was to ask duly elected electors to vote faithlessly. IIRC, electors not voting for the candidate they are pledged isn't even mandated in all states. Pretty sure most have made it some type of crime, but it varies. Asking electors to not vote for their pledged candidate isn't a crime though. 

Submitting fake electors to Congress is fraud, plain and simple. They were not the certified electors. Big difference in the two instances. 

Succinctly summarized.

[5-Points 3,535]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Was the plan, in both instances, to fraudulently declare that you won the election in an attempt to steal the election?

Yes or no

If you answer "no", you're a doosh. If you answer "yes", you're a retard. 

Take your pick.

Hypocrite it is. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Hypocrite it is. 

It was wrong and douchey for one of the Dem electors to try and get a R elector to not vote for Trump.

It's illegal and a threat democracy to fake that you won an election.

You're retarded

[5-Points 3,535]

49 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah, but the "Dem plan" if you call for that was to ask duly elected electors to vote faithlessly. IIRC, electors not voting for the candidate they are pledged isn't even mandated in all states. Pretty sure most have made it some type of crime, but it varies. Asking electors to not vote for their pledged candidate isn't a crime though. 

Submitting fake electors to Congress is fraud, plain and simple. They were not the certified electors. Big difference in the two instances. 

Absolutely. 

However, I don't think that was Trump's idea. Somebody told him they could do it and, much like during his previous term, he listened to idiots. And it cost him. 

[5-Points 3,535]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

It was wrong and douchey for one of the Dem electors to try and get a R elector to not vote for Trump.

It's illegal and a threat democracy to fake that you won an election.

You're retarded

Downplaying when dems do it. Pearl clutching when reps do it. 

You're a hypocrite. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Downplaying when dems do it. Pearl clutching when reps do it. 

You're a hypocrite. 

Thinking that asking someone to vote their conscience is the same thing as telling Congress that you actually won.

You're a complete moron.

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Isn't it amazing that as soon as the story broke, cultist like Jerry, knowing zero details of the charges jump in with both feet to claim the charges were political.

And they wonder why we call them cultist...SMH

Trump hasn't been charged, boyo.  Otherwise, good post, good effort about your feelz on the case.

You know, for a guy who consults with the CEO on the regular, you sure spend a lot of time here.   

[5-Points 3,535]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Thinking that asking someone to vote their conscience is the same thing as telling Congress that you actually won.

You're a complete moron.

Trying to overturn the results of an election because your candidate lost is wrong. Regardless of how you do it. You can't admit that's what the Dems did in 2016 because you're a hypocrite with zero integrity. 

Carry on. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

21 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Absolutely. 

However, I don't think that was Trump's idea. Somebody told him they could do it and, much like during his previous term, he listened to idiots. And it cost him. 

Much like Julius Caesar and JFK, Trump wqs surrounded by traitors. He won’t make that mistake this time. No more Mr. Nice Guy.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Trump hasn't been charged, boyo.  Otherwise, good post, good effort about your feelz on the case.

You know, for a guy who consults with the CEO on the regular, you sure spend a lot of time here.   

Oh dang the cog got me on a technicality.

The unindicted co-conspirator hasn't been charged...YET

Does it take you a long time to read and post...oh wait, you're a cog.  Nevermind.

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

22 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Trying to overturn the results of an election because your candidate lost is wrong. Regardless of how you do it. You can't admit that's what the Dems did in 2016 because you're a hypocrite with zero integrity. 

Carry on. 

LOL

That's like comparing a campfire to a forest fire.

Is something wrong with your brain boyo?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Much like Julius Caesar and JFK, Trump wqs surrounded by traitors. He won’t make that mistake this time. No more Mr. Nice Guy.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Rapey Trumpy could sexually assault a teenage girl on a freeway shoulder during rush-hour traffic, and MAGAturds would still portray him as a witch-hunt victim who can do no wrong.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Quote

The “fake electors” scheme involved alternate electors from seven states where Joe Biden was declared the winner. These electors pledged to support President Trump by casting ballots on Dec. 14, 2020, the date when electors nationwide were required to meet at state capitols to vote. While labeled “fake electors,” they viewed themselves as contingent electors. They believed they were putting in a procedural vote for President Trump to reserve the right of such a vote in the case of President Trump succeeding in legal challenges reviewing the integrity of the state’s election outcome, adding that it was important to recognize that, “Constitution takes precedent over statute.”

For what it's worth.  Here is a link which talks more about "contingent electors" and their historical precedence:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/pennsylvania-georgia-nevada-and-arizona-republican-electors-cast-votes-for-trump-3618147

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

It’s like we are living in 1930’s Germany. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It’s like we are living in 1930’s Germany. 

Yup. It’s just the beginning. 

[MDC 7,431]

Four years and dozens of lawsuits later and the only fraud we find is the fraud committed by grifter Donald Trump.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

For what it's worth.  Here is a link which talks more about "contingent electors" and their historical precedence:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/pennsylvania-georgia-nevada-and-arizona-republican-electors-cast-votes-for-trump-3618147

Prosecutors alleged that an email Chesebro wrote on Dec. 13, 2020, showed that the strategy “was not to use the fraudulent electors only in the circumstance that the Defendant’s litigation was successful in one of the targeted states.” Instead, prosecutors alleged, “the plan was to falsely present the fraudulent slates as an alternative to the legitimate slates at Congress’s certification proceeding.”

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce

Also Epoch Times 

[jerryskids 6,799]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Prosecutors alleged that an email Chesebro wrote on Dec. 13, 2020, showed that the strategy “was not to use the fraudulent electors only in the circumstance that the Defendant’s litigation was successful in one of the targeted states.” Instead, prosecutors alleged, “the plan was to falsely present the fraudulent slates as an alternative to the legitimate slates at Congress’s certification proceeding.”

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce

Also Epoch Times 

Yes, that's what they claim, that's why they are prosecuting.

I began my post "FWIW," and presented what it appears their defense will be.  The link you disparage, that I posted, said "they viewed themselves as contingent electors."  That is their defense.  It didn't argue that they were in fact contingent electors.  But the other link about contingent electors laid out some historical precedence.

And yes, The Epoch Times leans right.  I have in general found their reporting to be fairly good, albeit with a right bent.

BTW, the AP is not as objective as you think with your high and mighty link.

Quote

About Associated Press's Bias Rating

Associated Press is a news media source with an AllSides Media Bias Rating™ of Lean Left.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/associated-press-media-bias#:~:text=About Associated Press's Bias Rating,-Associated Press is&text=Associated Press is a news,Rating™ of Lean Left.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, that's what they claim, that's why they are prosecuting.

I began my post "FWIW," and presented what it appears their defense will be.  The link you disparage, that I posted, said "they viewed themselves as contingent electors."  That is their defense.  It didn't argue that they were in fact contingent electors.  But the other link about contingent electors laid out some historical precedence.

And yes, The Epoch Times leans right.  I have in general found their reporting to be fairly good, albeit with a right bent.

BTW, the AP is not as objective as you think with your high and mighty link.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/associated-press-media-bias#:~:text=About Associated Press's Bias Rating,-Associated Press is&text=Associated Press is a news,Rating™ of Lean Left.

OK, because it was kinda presented like it was fact, not that it will be their excuse.

Also if you want to compare AP and Epoch Times, I like Ad Fontes media.  They do a thorough job of scoring bias and use a multi scoring system, not just right or left.  They grade multiple articles and produce a cool scatter plot.  More transparent than a simple right or left.  You can also filter to find another news source that you might want to follow.

https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/

You can see they have AP in the Middle or Balanced quadrant with good reliability.

Epoch Times falls into Strong Right, almost Hyper Partisan right, and well below the reliability scale on the border of propaganda.

 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

It will be interesting to see this fleshed out.  Will the indictment be amended?  will the unindicted become indicted?  Will deals for testimony be cut?  This could be an interesting story for some time.

[double tour 90]

"boyos"