Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,118]

30 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are democrats seriously ok with Kamala automatically being the candidate?  That bothers the crap out of me.  No one voted for her to be in this position but they seem eager to vote for her as President.  I don't care if you hate Trump, this is just wrong.

For all the talk the left does about Trump and the right being "Fascists" and "Dictators",  they're doing exactly that.  They're giving the people no choice- which is exactly what Fascists and Dictators do.  Kamala was soundly rejected as a POTUS candidate last election cycle but now you're gonna' tell everyone that she's the best candidate out there for the Dems not even 4 years later?  And give no one a choice?  The party elites have spoken for you.

Let's just drop the charade about the Democrats protecting Democracy.  They ain't.

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I’m guessing Maine or North Dakota is honkeyville, USA.

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10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

If you look at the "Meet Kamala Harris" section as it goes through what they've done so far you can infer what she will look to do as President. But again- that is why I noted it isn't explicitly laid out. 

That is not a platform in any way, shape, or form.  If it is she has no plan for immigration or the wars around the world,   It's basically a list of supposed accomplishments.  There is no policy or plan in there.  Just stop. 

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32 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are democrats seriously ok with Kamala automatically being the candidate?  That bothers the crap out of me.  No one voted for her to be in this position but they seem eager to vote for her as President.  I don't care if you hate Trump, this is just wrong.

How would you propose this have been handled?

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

How would you propose this have been handled?

Open convention?

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

The Harris website still lies about Walz's military rank.

 

Wasn't the "lie" that he retired with that rank? He did actually obtain it, but then was either demoted or didn't complete the proper paperwork to maintain it into retirement or somesuch? I haven't followed very closely because IDGAF. When you're about to vote for Trump but picking at these nits you're pretty much a lost cause politically. 

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3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

For all the talk the left does about Trump and the right being "Fascists" and "Dictators",  they're doing exactly that.  They're giving the people no choice- which is exactly what Fascists and Dictators do.  Kamala was soundly rejected as a POTUS candidate last election cycle but now you're gonna' tell everyone that she's the best candidate out there for the Dems not even 4 years later?  And give no one a choice?  The party elites have spoken for you.

Let's just drop the charade about the Democrats protecting Democracy.  They ain't.

It’s maddening. I’m so sick of the two parties. Both full of crap and completely bought into their own lies. 

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How would you propose this have been handled?

Not gaslight the country for the last four years that Biden was mentally competent, and then not run him again knowing he WASN'T.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It’s maddening. I’m so sick of the two parties. Both full of crap and completely bought into their own lies. 

When is the last time you voted third party?

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How would you propose this have been handled?

There has to be a way to give the people a way to vote. Isn’t that how the whole system is suppose to work?  What happened to the citizens deciding who represent them?  

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

When is the last time you voted third party?

Last election

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

High corporate tax rate yet they still do fine and companies thrive there

Not following your point about the whites.

Producing energy is obviously important. Personally just asking to move away from dirty sources as fast as possible without damaging our economy. Definitely a fan of promoting new energy sources through tax breaks and we should lead in this category.

Yes, I'm saying that high tax rates are anathema to corporate success, and yet they seem to be successful.  Quite the conundrum.  Why would that be?

Which led me to a deeper dive into their system.  Significant refining revenue:  is Minnesota in a similar position to dominate the American green energy landscape?  I doubt it.  Walz is basically talking a good game about green energy while spending all that sweet, sweet refining tax revenue.

I'm pretty sure you can come up with a theory on the ethnic breakdown, if you think about it.

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not gaslight the country for the last four years that Biden was mentally competent, and then not run him again knowing he WASN'T.

Let's be honest here: Biden hasn't been running the country all these years.  It's been a secret junta of leftists that have been making the decisions and just trotting him out there as the face only.  It's that same junta that kept him in so they could control and make decisions for the next for years if he had won.  They don't want to give that power up.

IIMO, the REAL issue is that this country is being run by an unelected cabal/junta and THAT is what people should be concerned with.  All this talk from the Democrats about "protecting Democracy" is just another FOS lie.  They're protecting they're power.  The leftist elites have literally done a silent coup by controlling Biden, and they're doing the same now with the nomination process with Kamala.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

anathema

https://youtu.be/htcwu1EEFU0?si=sJs0qyZKBqtBOglI

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Open convention?

In theory sure but a bunch of delegates being shuffled around by some random dudes doesn’t seem that much better.

Furthermore, in practice (at least listening to political nerds discuss this on some podcast) they best described this idea of it working as a fairy tale. Not like a West Wing episode that people have in mind. Would have been fractious, a mess, and push the selection back weeks giving even less time for the Dem candidate. 

Biden focked this up. It has gone about as seamless as possible up to this point. I don’t think many would have imagined it could go better.

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not gaslight the country for the last four years that Biden was mentally competent, and then not run him again knowing he WASN'T.

This was Biden’s choice to run. He earned it, but it was a bad decision on his part.

Now dealing in reality…what way do you propose this could have been handled differently?

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, I'm saying that high tax rates are anathema to corporate success, and yet they seem to be successful.  Quite the conundrum.  Why would that be?

Which led me to a deeper dive into their system.  Significant refining revenue:  is Minnesota in a similar position to dominate the American green energy landscape?  I doubt it.  Walz is basically talking a good game about green energy while spending all that sweet, sweet refining tax revenue.

I'm pretty sure you can come up with a theory on the ethnic breakdown, if you think about it.

They have quite a few big businesses there in Minneapolis that I am aware of: 3M, Target, Best Buy.

I don’t know what your point is about the whites. Why isn’t West Virginia crushing, they are white as an episode of Leave it to Beaver and the place looks like Eastern Europe circa 1974. So what is your point again?

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8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There has to be a way to give the people a way to vote. Isn’t that how the whole system is suppose to work?  What happened to the citizens deciding who represent them?  

Right how would that occur in July the year of the election?

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5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This was Biden’s choice to run. He earned it, but it was a bad decision on his part.

Now dealing in reality…what way do you propose this could have been handled differently?

He didn't earn it.   All the higher ups in the Dem party knew he wasn't there mentally.  They LIED to us, and do their donors.  That's the gaslighting.  Without the support of his party the money doesn't come in and his campaign never gets off the ground.  You know how I know that?  Because that's what ended it a few weeks ago.  Once the debate happened and they could no longer LIE to us about his cognitive state the money dried up.  And when that happened his party forced him out.  If it was "HIS CHOICE" he would still be the candidate.  I mean, you don't think he backed out willingly, do you? 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

He didn't earn it.   All the higher ups in the Dem party knew he wasn't there mentally.  They LIED to us, and do their donors.  That's the gaslighting.  Without the support of his party the money doesn't come in and his campaign never gets off the ground.  You know how I know that?  Because that's what ended it a few weeks ago.  Once the debate happened and they could no longer LIE to us about his cognitive state the money dried up.  And when that happened his party forced him out.  If it was "HIS CHOICE" he would still be the candidate.  I mean, you don't think he backed out willingly, do you? 

He chose to run again. Ego is a powerful drug. Yeah he got the boot after he crapped the bed. He could have stayed then if he wanted too TBH.

In any case…after he drops out how would you propose the next nom be selected other than how it occurred?

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He chose to run again. Ego is a powerful drug. Yeah he got the boot after he crapped the bed. He could have stayed then if he wanted too TBH.

In any case…after he drops out how would you propose the next nom be selected other than how it occurred?

No, he couldn't.  He wouldn't have had any money.  It would have been conceding the election to Trump 4 months early.

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7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right how would that occur in July the year of the election?

Not the people's problem.  You don't take away their rights and voice because you think there isn't enough time.  Pretty sure if there is a will, there  is a way.

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59 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That prepared, teleprompter statement was presented fairly well.  I think it wasn't the first time in the past few weeks she has said it, but if that kind of thing makes you feel hopey and changey, then good for you.   

As one of the few semi-rational righties remaining here, I appreciate you, Jerry. So I'll be honest about my "excitement."

I never liked Biden and publicly said after the debate I would not vote for him. I would have greatly preferred an open convention, but since the DNC are cowardly idiots, they decided not to go that route. It sounds as though there were legalities involved with the money and the delegates, so perhaps it was necessary that it transpire this way, I dunno.

I wouldn't vote for Kamala normally. But she's fairly bright, getting more well spoken, and the all important caveat: she stands against Trump. Also, I voted for Walz already and would again. I think his "progressive" bona fides are overblown in that he never had that label until Dems won everything in MN and decided to go on a liberal policy spree. What's the governor going to do when that happens, tell his party to stop? While actively working to raise his national profile? Please. Prior to that he was great at reaching across the aisle. He won a solid red district as a blue dog Democrat, and his cohorts spoke fondly of him. He's an affable guys guy that most MAGA, politics aside, would enjoy having a beer with.

And again, NOT TRUMP.

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

As has been pointed out Harris and Walz have no policy.  Zero.  Their plan to win is to keep Harris sequestered as much as possible, rely on folks like Tim to eat up and spread the "we're so enthused!" message, and in a perfect world, never have her speak off script.

I for one would like to see her in more than one "debate" where George Snuffalupagus gives her the questions and answer key.

What are you guys afraid of?  I've been told that she'll mop the floor with Trump.   

I am dying to know where she stands on Hannibal Lecter. 

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9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right how would that occur in July the year of the election?

I’d rather delay the election. Seems against the American way to not have a choice at who our candidates are. Regardless of how stupid our citizens are, we need to be voting. 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, he couldn't.  He wouldn't have had any money.  It would have been conceding the election to Trump 4 months early.

He still could have stayed. He is the Prez. It wouldn’t have been smart

So…again…what process should they have used to pick a new candidate after he dropped?

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’d rather delay the election. Seems against the American way to not have a choice at who our candidates are. Regardless of how stupid our citizens are, we need to be voting. 

Sorry I don’t think this is realistic.

I think the Republicans would have had a problem with this.

 

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5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Not the people's problem.  You don't take away their rights and voice because you think there isn't enough time.  Pretty sure if there is a will, there  is a way.

EXACTLY

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6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Not the people's problem.  You don't take away their rights and voice because you think there isn't enough time.  Pretty sure if there is a will, there  is a way.

This isn’t an answer. This is the process. Delegates lined up in advance of the Convention to go with Kamala.

 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Sorry I don’t think this is realistic.

I think the Republicans would have had a problem with this.

 

You know who else gives you no choice?  That's right, Dictators.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

EXACTLY

“When there is a will there is a way” isn’t an answer

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

This isn’t an answer. This is the process. Delegates lined up in advance of the Convention to go with Kamala.

 

Huh?  It for sure 100% is the answer.  So you're okay with taking away everyone else's rights because you're okay with yours being taken away?

You telling me the Democrat Party couldn't have made it work?  GTFO.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’d rather delay the election. Seems against the American way to not have a choice at who our candidates are. Regardless of how stupid our citizens are, we need to be voting. 

Why would we delay the election due to the ineptness of one party out of how many, 5 or so?   There are plenty of choices.  Honestly, we shouldn't allow parties to have any say in the election.  I've never understood why the state pays for primary elections for some parties but not others and has rules that give some parties advantages over others, etc.....Parties shouldn't technically exist within our government.  If private entities want to consider themselves parties, great.  But for office?   Anyone should be eligible based on certain criteria, such as a petition of a certain percentage of constituents, just to limit the number of candidates to a reasonable number.  But organized entities (parties) shouldn't have anything to do with our elections.

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Timmy and generalpimpledoosh try so hard. They always fail though. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Sorry I don’t think this is realistic.

I think the Republicans would have had a problem with this.

 

I don’t give a sh!t. Our rights as citizens should come first. We decide who represents us. Why are you so willing to give up your rights and what use to make our country so great?  

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You know who else gives you no choice?  That's right, Dictators.

the delegates selecting Kamala prior to the convention is a dictatorship! 

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Huh?  It for sure 100% is the answer.  So you're okay with taking away everyone else's rights because you're okay with yours being taken away?

You telling me the Democrat Party couldn't have made it work?  GTFO.

People’s rights weren’t taken away.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t give a sh!t. Our rights as citizens should come first. We decide who represents us. Why are you so willing to give up your rights and what use to make our country so great?  

My rights weren’t taken away.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This isn’t an answer. This is the process. Delegates lined up in advance of the Convention to go with Kamala.

 

The process is to allow someone to be the presidential candidate without anyone ever voting for them? Fock that. Go to another country where it’s all decided for you then. 

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7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I am dying to know where she stands on Hannibal Lecter. 

I presume she wants him to be what can be, unburdened by what has been.