Harrison Butker, geek club hero

[BrahmaBulls 628]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Anyone who lives life according to some sky fairy's rules deserves ridicule boyo...oh wait, that's you too.

LMFAO

Moron caveman, nothing more.

Sounds like you want Squis's c0ck up your rotted out a$$.   Piece of sh!t loser.

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What is this Nordic Model?  If we let women choose their life path, then they will not choose?  Therefore men have to choose for them?

The nations which have made the greatest progress toward egalitarian outcomes are the Nordic nations.   And the outcomes really surprised everyone as when left to their own choices women chose careers in opposition to feminist doctrines.

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n contrast, there is reason to expect that gender differences in preferences expand with economic development and gender equality (resource hypothesis). As suggested by post-materialist theory (15, 16), a critical societal precondition for self-expression is the fulfillment of basic material needs. In line with this, existing research shows that the unrestricted expression of preferences hinges on the availability of sufficient material and social resources (17–20). Therefore, gender differences in preferences should manifest themselves only if both women and men obtain sufficient access to these resources to independently develop and express their intrinsic preferences (21).

 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

I knew you were going to say that.  But, just let me make sure I got this right:

The "finance executive" thinks that he's going to permanently benefit from a two year period where the S&P is up 30% instead of using the historical average (or conservatively less) when doing a projection?  That this 2 year period is somehow going to transform into a 33% increase in the projection in 10 years or sooner?

Surprising since just two years ago you told us this:

What if the wrong guy gets elected again!?!?!  lol

I kind of hope you do have a good job in finance and all these hot takes on the economy and your inability to know how your own finances work is just all shtick and not what you've told us in your own words.  "non-essential"  "wfh".  Otherwise it's just pathetic.  

Wait, you can't protect gains to a large extent and move into less risky investments that still produce good gains?

Oh, and my income is up bigly in the last two years.

It's like you know zero about finance.  No surprise.

Now let's talk about you, something you never do, what's your retirement goal?  $10M and 55 years old?  Or something as equally absurd?  When you lie like you do it's tough to keep things straight.

What say you Mr. Online Big Man, what are your goals?

[TimHauck 2,627]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Willing to bet he's right.

1) I’d agree, because they could have gotten just as good of an education for a fraction of the price if they went to a community college and/or went to a public in-state school.  Not because they should all go be homemakers

2) You still don’t tell that to them at their graduation, lol

 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Sounds like you want Squis's c0ck up your rotted out a$$.   Piece of sh!t loser.

You believe in a sky fairy directing your life...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[RLLD 4,143]

7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You sourced an article that's outdated.

And I'm sourcing what women are actually choosing to do.

Feel free to keep telling yourself that you no what women want which flies in the face of what women are actually doing. 

Argument from authority is not going to work here.  My source is a peer-reviewed and relevant example of egalitarian systems.  And your misrepresentation has already been refuted by my other conversations in this thread multiple times, so your lie is rather evident.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Argument from authority is not going to work here.  My source is a peer-reviewed and relevant example of egalitarian systems.  And your misrepresentation has already been refuted by my other conversations in this thread multiple times, so your lie is rather evident.

What am I lying about?  Are women not waiting longer to get married?  Attending college in greater numbers?  Having fewer kids?

Where's the lie?

[TimHauck 2,627]

3 hours ago, DonS said:

Wait a sec...  I thought Ron_Artest was Gutter.  Gutter started this thread and now Ron is responding??? 

Yeah that’s dumb.  Has he done that before this thread though?

[TimHauck 2,627]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. 

Women have been sold a bunch of lies with feminism and it haunts most of them once they reach their 30's when they're childless and alone.  Feminists like to "say" it's a choice between motherhood and work, but those that choose motherhood are shamed for it by those very same feminists so, yeah, "choice" is not really an option in the feminist world.

Of course, the weak and spineless beta soy boy male trash like Gutterboy and his Power Twink buddy BeachGhey who like to be dominated by women will lose their bacon, but they're weak and spineless soy boy males so EVERYTHING fake outrages them. 

Do you agree with what he said about IVF and surrogacy?

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What am I lying about?  Are women not waiting longer to get married?  Attending college in greater numbers?  Having fewer kids?

Where's the lie?

You are lying about my positions and what I have asserted, which to be fair is your defining tactic.  But in this instance my discussion with Gutter has already gotten ahead of you, so as you post your standard lie.....others have already read the direct refutation of your misrepresentations of me

[cmh6476 1,010]

4 focking pages already?

[Fireballer 2,639]

17 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You sourced an article that's outdated.

And I'm sourcing what women are actually choosing to do.

Feel free to keep telling yourself that you no what women want which flies in the face of what women are actually doing. 

I’m not disagreeing here, I’ve encouraged my kids to do whatever makes them happy.  But don’t confuse making an actual choice, with simply going down a path where they feel  like they have no real choice.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The nations which have made the greatest progress toward egalitarian outcomes are the Nordic nations.   And the outcomes really surprised everyone as when left to their own choices women chose careers in opposition to feminist doctrines.

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this study is basically saying that men and women choose different things likely due to genetics, right?

Doesn't mean that women don't make choices or men should make choices for them.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

I’m not disagreeing here, I’ve encouraged my kids to do whatever makes them happy.  But don’t confuse making an actual choice, with simply going down a path they feel they feel like they have no real choice.  

How do they not have a choice?  Women can meet men easier than ever now.  They can get married as young as they want and have kids as young as they want.

They are choosing instead education, putting off getting married, and having fewer kids.

This is all by choice IMHO.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

24 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You believe in a sky fairy directing your life...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Okay, phag.  

[RLLD 4,143]

13 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this study is basically saying that men and women choose different things likely due to genetics, right?

Doesn't mean that women don't make choices or men should make choices for them.

Men should not make choices for women.

The study confirms that which worried Beauvoir all along;  given the choice, women will not choose what feminists suggest they should.

So they choose based on what they prefer, and the results will emerge as a disparity; this disparity has been used historically as a "proof" that women were being held back etc....which was not true.....

So if we think trying to compel or encourage or motivate or manipulate or whatever....women....into pursuing things other than what they want, those women will ultimately return to the historical distribution...and this is not a problem, its not "wrong" and its not evidence of some "patriarchy".....

Its women choosing, even though they might choose something other than what we insist they should, and this is a very good thing

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Okay, phag.  

You believe in a sky fairy, worship a moronic orange conman, AND are a closeted gay?

Talk about having a rough go in life...I feel for ya boyo. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

40 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And I think that's fine that you have that view, but they're choosing careers in their early 20's - nothing wrong with that - but regretting it by the time they're hitting their 30's so I think your logic only works if you're talking about women in their early to mid 20's.  Of course, there are exceptions to EVERY rule, but I believe the vast majority of women prefer the traditional role but are being told or "guilted" into pursuing a career.

Again, like I said above, it's an illusion of "choice" because the second they choose the traditional role they are mocked and shamed by the feminists and weak soy boys (not you).

Yeah, and I think it goes both ways because being a stay home dad if I take my girls somewhere, it’s usually me and like 30 moms with kids running around. And I do kind of look at them and go how many of you regret giving up things you wanted to do in life to stay home so your husband could work? I feel like it has to be a lot.
I mean, I coached basketball for a lot of years and I would go back to it in a second if I could, but I can’t. Do I regret it? Yeah a lot of days I do. But we all make choices. I just wonder how many of those women that feel like they want to fall into that stay at home mom role actually regret that they didn’t pursue things and they just acquiesced to their husband 

[Fireballer 2,639]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

How do they not have a choice?  Women can meet men easier than ever now.  They can get married as young as they want and have kids as young as they want.

They are choosing instead education, putting off getting married, and having fewer kids.

This is all by choice IMHO.

All those are possible, yes, but men’s choices weigh heavily into this. Women are meeting more men, but men also have access to more women. Do you think more women in serious relationships are actually turning down marriage proposals from men?  Or are women not even approached with marriage at the rate that we’ve historically seen?  Marriage rates are falling, primarily, because people don’t feel like they can even afford to have a family without 2 incomes.  Higher infidelity and divorce rates are factors also.  So, you can’t just simply say women truly want to follow the career path, without examining the factors that they need in place to even feel like they have a choice not to. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Men should not make choices for women.

The study confirms that which worried Beauvoir all along;  given the choice, women will not choose what feminists suggest they should.

So they choose based on what they prefer, and the results will emerge as a disparity; this disparity has been used historically as a "proof" that women were being held back etc....which was not true.....

So if we think trying to compel or encourage or motivate or manipulate or whatever....women....into pursuing things other than what they want, those women will ultimately return to the historical distribution...and this is not a problem, its not "wrong" and its not evidence of some "patriarchy".....

Its women choosing, even though they might choose something other than what we insist they should, and this is a very good thing

So we agree that we shouldn't tell women that their only path to happiness is caring for a husband, correct?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, and I think it goes both ways because being a stay home dad if I take my girls somewhere, it’s usually me and like 30 moms with kids running around. And I do kind of look at them and go how many of you regret giving up things you wanted to do in life to stay home so your husband could work? I feel like it has to be a lot.
I mean, I coached basketball for a lot of years and I would go back to it in a second if I could, but I can’t. Do I regret it? Yeah a lot of days I do. But we all make choices. I just wonder how many of those women that feel like they want to fall into that stay at home mom role actually regret that they didn’t pursue things and they just acquiesced to their husband 

They're out there.  I've talked to many of the moms in my town that felt that way and went back to work, also talked to many moms that were grateful to be able to stay home.  There is no right or wrong, we're all different, and men should not be telling women that they should stay home to be happy.

[TimHauck 2,627]

49 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The fatal flaw in his pretzel logic is "choice".  The modern feminists and soy boy weak male like GutterDouche proclaim to want to give them a choice but then shame them for making the choice they don't want them to make.  "Choice" is an illusion in the feminist and soy boy weak male movements.  There is no choice at all. 

Is there really much shaming in the real world of women that choose to be homemakers?  I would disagree with that being the case as it is of course very common for women to be stay at home moms.   If anything there are a significant number of women that would tell you that being a stay at home mom with multiple children is actually more difficult than working a 9-5 (and thus would not shame them), and I know several women that chose to work partly for that reason (they still loved their kids of course but couldn’t handle being with them 24/7).

There of course are some working moms that would rather be a homemaker if their family could afford it, but there are also stay at home moms that really only chose to do it for financial reasons.  To pay for daycare for 2 kids and not just break even, a woman basically needs to make around $50K+.

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

All those are possible, yes, but men’s choices weigh heavily into this. Women are meeting more men, but men also have access to more women. Do you think more women in serious relationships are actually turning down marriage proposals from men?  Or are women not even approached with marriage at the rate that we’ve historically seen?  Marriage rates are falling, primarily, because people don’t feel like they can even afford to have a family without 2 incomes.  Higher infidelity and divorce rates are factors also.  So, you can’t just simply say women truly want to follow the career path, without examining the factors that they need in place to even feel like they have a choice not to. 

Interesting points.  I'd suggest that women have typically held the upper hand when it came to dating and setting down.  And the incel issue we have in this country shows that women are being far more selective than in the past.

Women are choosing college and career and no religion.  They likewise are largely attracted to men who choose the same.  The amount of men who choose college and then career with no religion is falling quite precipitously.

Women are significantly a larger % of the college population and growing.  This is problematic as in general they're seeking educated men.  Not always quite clearly but the majority are.

This tells me where their priorities lie. 

[BrahmaBulls 628]

8 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You believe in a sky fairy, worship a moronic orange conman, AND are a closeted gay?

Talk about having a rough go in life...I feel for ya boyo. 

You have a$$ rot, fanboy a gay body builder website, and have 10 accounts here because everyone hates you.   Is that what a good life is?

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You have a$$ rot, fanboy a gay body builder website, and have 10 accounts here because everyone hates you.   Is that what a good life is?

Let's see, I don't have as$ rot, fitness is important so I frequent fitness boards, that's healthy boyo.  And everyone hates me here because I tell you cultist morons how much you suck and how stupid and cucked you are.

And unlike most of you cultist here, my IRL determines if I'm having a good life, not some likes from some uneducated, sky fairy believing, orange moron worshipping, closeted gay boi.

Feel me gay boi?

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So we agree that we shouldn't tell women that their only path to happiness is caring for a husband, correct?

I think this assertion is true, but rather than tell women we essentially have to let them discover it on their own.   Its a simple truth that each woman should be allowed to discover on her own schedule.  This will result in a variety of outcomes from perfectly happy CEO's to distraught 40-year olds as we already see, slowly realizing they were sold lies.....and they are just unhappy.

I think his assertion is spot on, and I have no problem with him espousing it any more than I have with feminists espousing the opposite.  Silencing people is not what we are about.

[cyclone24 1,912]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

They're out there.  I've talked to many of the moms in my town that felt that way and went back to work, also talked to many moms that were grateful to be able to stay home.  There is no right or wrong, we're all different, and men should not be telling women that they should stay home to be happy.

Yeah, I just wonder how much of that correlates because women still struggle in the workplace so they are taking jobs that are not what I would say are the most fulfilling? You’re waitress jobs your service industry jobs. So yeah, when faced with the option of staying home and raising kids versus crap jobs? Easy choice. 
 

Like how many teachers have that regret? How many doctors? How many female CEOs? Probably not nearly as many. 
 

I don’t know. It’s an interesting topic but I agree that we shouldn’t tell women what they should be doing.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I think this assertion is true, but rather than tell women we essentially have to let them discover it on their own.   Its a simple truth that each woman should be allowed to discover on her own schedule.  This will result in a variety of outcomes from perfectly happy CEO's to distraught 40-year olds as we already see, slowly realizing they were sold lies.....and they are just unhappy.

I think his assertion is spot on, and I have no problem with him espousing it any more than I have with feminists espousing the opposite.  Silencing people is not what we are about.

There are also many happy homemakers and also miserable homemakers.  That's part of life.

I don't think Butker should be silenced, just ridiculed, for espousing such nonsense.  I enjoy exposing people's stupidity and laughing at them.

[TimHauck 2,627]

10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Do you think more women in serious relationships are actually turning down marriage proposals from men?  Or are women not even approached with marriage at the rate that we’ve historically seen?  Marriage rates are falling, primarily, because people don’t feel like they can even afford to have a family without 2 incomes.  

“Not even approached with marriage”?  You realize probably like 90% of engaged couples have discussed their plans before actually getting engaged right?  This isn’t 1950.

Why would marriage rates fall because people don’t feel like they can afford a family without 2 incomes?  If anything that should raise marriage rates…

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There are also many happy homemakers and also miserable homemakers.  That's part of life.

I don't think Butker should be silenced, just ridiculed, for espousing such nonsense.  I enjoy exposing people's stupidity and laughing at them.

100%

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

There are also many happy homemakers and also miserable homemakers.  That's part of life.

I don't think Butker should be silenced, just ridiculed, for espousing such nonsense.  I enjoy exposing people's stupidity and laughing at them.

He should not be ridiculed any more than someone suggesting women would be happier in the workplace.   Two distinctive views, each with factual evidence to support them.

I think the two points should be discussed and debated forthrightly, without suggesting that either camp us "stupid".  People are not stupid simply because we might disagree with them.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, I just wonder how much of that correlates because women still struggle in the workplace so they are taking jobs that are not what I would say are the most fulfilling? You’re waitress jobs your service industry jobs. So yeah, when faced with the option of staying home and raising kids versus crap jobs? Easy choice. 
 

Like how many teachers have that regret? How many doctors? How many female CEOs? Probably not nearly as many. 
 

I don’t know. It’s an interesting topic but I agree that we shouldn’t tell women what they should be doing.

I would venture to say that a woman who leaves the home to be a waitress is either doing so because she has no choice and needs the money, or she really really hates being home and just wants to be out of the house.

[TimHauck 2,627]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

Simone de Beauvoir was a woman, a prominent feminist, but also rather smart.....and understood women.

Was she a pedo?

She and her long-time lover, Jean-Paul Sartre, along with numerous other French intellectuals, campaigned for the release of people convicted of child sex offenses and signed a petition which advocated the abolition of age of consent laws in France.^[11]

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Was she a pedo?

She and her long-time lover, Jean-Paul Sartre, along with numerous other French intellectuals, campaigned for the release of people convicted of child sex offenses and signed a petition which advocated the abolition of age of consent laws in France.^[11]

I dont know, are you seeking to mute her intellect through this tactic? As I see conservatives doing toward Biden?

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I would venture to say that a woman who leaves the home to be a waitress is either doing so because she has no choice and needs the money, or she really really hates being home and just wants to be out of the house.

Well, my point was the idea of these women having regrets that how many of them just didn’t have a highly successful and fulfilling job they were doing. The more educated the better job and potentially the more fulfilling job to where you don’t have that regret of not staying home was what I was getting at. 
 

we can debate whether he’s right. He just probably shouldn’t of said it because anyone telling another group of people what would make them happy or how they should live is always going to go badly.

[MDC 7,148]

The stupid part is saying that at a college graduation. Obviously the women there want a career at least in the short term. But they probably knew what they signed up for at Benedictine College.

[Fireballer 2,639]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

“Not even approached with marriage”?  You realize probably like 90% of engaged couples have discussed their plans before actually getting engaged right?  This isn’t 1950. 

Why would marriage rates fall because people don’t feel like they can afford a family without 2 incomes?  If anything that should raise marriage rates…

1. Marriage is still vastly proposed by the man, over 90%.  Whether you want to call it discussions, or whatever, women aren’t initiating it.  
2.  People are wholly writing off marriage/family because of finances.  I’m not saying this, the people who are doing it are saying this.

[TimHauck 2,627]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I dont know, are you seeking to mute her intellect through this tactic? As I see conservatives doing toward Biden?

Well if the topic is views on women’s lives, I think it would be relevant if she doesn’t see much difference between children and adult women

[TimHauck 2,627]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

1. Marriage is still vastly proposed by the man, over 90%.  Whether you want to call it discussions, or whatever, women aren’t initiating it.  
2.  People are wholly writing off marriage/family because of finances.  I’m not saying this, the people who are doing it are saying this.

1.  I would bet “discussions” of marriage are absolutely more often “initiated” by women.  This of course does not contradict anything I said earlier.  I do think it is human nature for women to want to get married and have families.  I just don’t necessarily think it’s human nature for women to want their primary occupation to be a homemaker.

2.  I agree with that on “families,” AKA children.   But IMO the biggest financial reason to delay marriage is the cost of engagement rings and the wedding itself, not the cost of being married.  If anything being married saves money by being able to get on the health insurance plan of who’s ever coverage is better (and I know people that rushed into marriage due to health insurance).

[RLLD 4,143]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well if the topic is views on women’s lives, I think it would be relevant if she doesn’t see much difference between children and adult women

I think she was correctly observed as an important feminist of her time, and I am disinclined to be distracted by the attempt to impugn her in this way. 

I disagree with her on a number of topics, but I will happily debate those positions....rather than resort to the personal takedown to refute her.