Biden to announce drastic border action on Tuesday

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3 hours ago, torridjoe said:

Not compared to immigrants. Y’all commit far more crime. You’re wrong. But that’s a habit for you. 

No Rusty, it’s not. Middle aged middle class white Christians barely register when it comes to violent crime. 

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47 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

The exception to the rule isn't the rule bud 

Culture isn't just a question of affiliation; it's also a question of choice.

It's also a question of group membership. And it's usually associated with a geographic region. It's also often confused or conflated with nationality, but that's not the same thing.

Today people identify with ethnicity positively because they see themselves as being part of that group. People can't just simply say, "Well, I want to become a member of that race." You either are or are not a member of that race. Whereas, if you wanted to look at ethnicity based on culture, you could learn a language, you can learn customs - there are things that you can learn so that you could belong to that group.

I think the most powerful argument about the differentiation between race and culture is that race becomes institutionalized in a way that has profound social consequences on the members of different groups.

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So you're saying that when Obama was putting kids in cages and separating them from the adults that brought them here... Biden was adamantly against it and said it publicly?  Link?

No, it is false that Obama separated children from their family.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policy

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy

THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations. [...]

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On 6/3/2024 at 12:36 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

Right before the election 

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/03/biden-border-executive-order-immigration-asylum

A bipartisan immigration bill was in play last year, but MAGAturds derailed it because they didn't want Biden to get a W.

He's still supposed to do his job, boyo.

MAGAturds whine about the problem.

MAGAturds whine about a bipartisan bill.

MAGAturds whine about Biden doing something.

The MAGAturd is a hateful, ignorant thing.

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Border patrol agents: “too little, too late” “ waste of time”.  

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5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So poor non generational weath come with nothing illegals.. dont commit crime at a high rate?

So what are the poor Americans who commit crime at high rates excuse?  We always hear it is a poverty issue.

Thats the loud sound of :crickets: falling down the stairs.  

Check your notebook to see smoothest way to spin the answer.  Call me a racist to make it easier.   Anything you need.  

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49 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

A bipartisan immigration bill was in play last year, but MAGAturds derailed it because they didn't want Biden to get a W.

He's still supposed to do his job, boyo.

MAGAturds whine about the problem.

MAGAturds whine about a bipartisan bill.

MAGAturds whine about Biden doing something.

The MAGAturd is a hateful, ignorant thing.

We don't need borders anymore, we have sanctuary cities  

You dumb F! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

33 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Thats the loud sound of :crickets: falling down the stairs.  

Check your notebook to see smoothest way to spin the answer.  Call me a racist to make it easier.   Anything you need.  

Real Tim, paging Real Tim. 

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39 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Thats the loud sound of :crickets: falling down the stairs.  

Check your notebook to see smoothest way to spin the answer.  Call me a racist to make it easier.   Anything you need.  

I agree with you. Poverty leads to crime, as a general rule. 

But the vast majority of undocumented immigrants come here and are typically able to get work very quickly, mainly because they’re willing to work for wages lower than minimum wage. Not only do they work, they work long hours and are too busy to get involved in violent crime. In addition, they have strong reason to avoid situations that might lead to confrontation with police because they fear deportation. For these two reasons, most undocumented immigrants don’t fall into the “poverty leads to crime” category. Statistics continually bear this out, though all too many people focus on the exceptions who do commit violent crimes. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with you. Poverty leads to crime, as a general rule. 

But the vast majority of undocumented immigrants come here and are typically able to get work very quickly, mainly because they’re willing to work for wages lower than minimum wage. Not only do they work, they work long hours and are too busy to get involved in violent crime. In addition, they have strong reason to avoid situations that might lead to confrontation with police because they fear deportation. For these two reasons, most undocumented immigrants don’t fall into the “poverty leads to crime” category. Statistics continually bear this out, though all too many people focus on the exceptions who do commit violent crimes. 

Why arent poor people accumulated here able to ot want to work fot low wages?  Instead demand an increase in wages for minimal jobs.  Mcds is less responsibility and less work than say someone who does general labor for you.  

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If you are saying our home grown poor are lazy and really arent trying then you can just say it.  Its thr only logical answer.    You can spin it off which way.  But bottom line is our poor think they are too good or too lazy for said jobs?  Am I correct?

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Heres the run down

Libs: our country is filled with guns and racists!   No wonder its dangerous!

Also Libs: mexico is dangerous! Of course they want to come here!

Libs: illegals come here for a better life!

Also some Libs: I might have to leave the country if Trump wins! (2016)

Libs: our country's crime problem is poverty and a lack of generational wealth.  

Also Libs: illegals with absolutely nothing will come here and be fine no problem.. 

Hard to keep up  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you are saying our home grown poor are lazy and really arent trying then you can just say it.  Its thr only logical answer.    You can spin it off which way.  But bottom line is our poor think they are too good or too lazy for said jobs?  Am I correct?

Your bottom line is correct. More “too good” than too lazy. 
But is there really something wrong with that? Farm labor sucks. Manual labor sucks. Nobody enjoys it. You do what you have to do to feed your family but of course Americans born here think they’re above it. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Border patrol agents: “too little, too late” “ waste of time”.  

Too bad MAGAturds derailed the immigration bill last year. They only want reform when it benefits their Clownzo boyo.

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

We don't need borders anymore, we have sanctuary cities  

You dumb F! 

Keep crying about Biden taking the action that MAGAturds wanted but didn't want if it gave Biden a W.

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2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

We don't need borders anymore, we have sanctuary cities  

You dumb F! 

The whole concept of “sanctuary cities” is weird, given that the entire country is literally a sanctuary according to the constitution. It’s a federal matter and nonfederal LEO have no role. 

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12 hours ago, squistion said:

No, it is false that Obama separated children from their family.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policy

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy

THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations. [...]

LOL, liberal "fact" checking.  We know it happened, stop pretending it didn't.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, liberal "fact" checking.  We know it happened, stop pretending it didn't.

I mean, we literally had pictures and videos of kids in cages during the Obama years.

We're dealing with members of a cult, remember.  They don't believe anything outside what leftist orthodoxy tells them.  Leftism is so bad, even Scientologists call liberals and the DNC, "Those crazy cult members". 

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3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I mean, we literally had pictures and videos of kids in cages during the Obama years.

We're dealing with members of a cult, remember.  They don't believe anything outside what leftist orthodoxy tells them.  Leftism is so bad, even Scientologists call liberals and the DNC, "Those crazy cult members". 

Obama did separate children from families, but the policy was just ramped up under Trump. IMHO it was a fantastic strategic move to hopefully dissuade more from coming, but I think it may have in the end not worked.  In fact, I think it illuminated to the human traffickers a way to make more money, which is why we see so much more trafficking today....

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If we stopped incentivizing this and we published that we have it would reduce, though not stop the flow.  If we published in the countries from which the flow is coming the reality of life in America taht too would stem the flow.  Imagine letting floks in religious countries know thaat upon arrival here their kids would be put in schools teaching woke DEI policies from an obese, shrieking,  green-haired, atheist, angry lesbian.  They may think twice about coming here. 

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24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, liberal "fact" checking.  We know it happened, stop pretending it didn't.

You can't dispute the fact checking because it is true. If you have proof otherwise, please provide a link.

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2 hours ago, squistion said:

You can't dispute the fact checking because it is true. If you have proof otherwise, please provide a link.

Here you go big guy... from the AP, not Fox or any conservative outlet.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

 

Quote

WASHINGTON (AP) — Michelle Obama assailed President Donald Trump on Monday for ripping migrant children from their parents and throwing them into cages, picking up on a frequent and distorted point made widely by Democrats.

She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before. But what she did not say is that the very same “cages” were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily.

Took a simple google search.

 

Let me guess though... THIS, was (D)ifferent, right?  

 

Looks like your liberal fact check was b.s., doesn't it.  Oh wait, I forgot, it's (D)ifferent.

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15 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here you go big guy... from the AP, not Fox or any conservative outlet.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

 

Took a simple google search.

 

Let me guess though... THIS, was (D)ifferent, right?  

 

Looks like your liberal fact check was b.s., doesn't it.  Oh wait, I forgot, it's (D)ifferent.

It was different. But not for the “cages” reason, for the deliberate family separation reason. 

1. What Obama did was awful. 
2. What Trump did was far worse. 
3. What Biden is doing now is awful but not as bad as what Trump did. 
4. What Trump is promising to do if elected again will be catastrophic and horrific. 
 

NONE of these are “solutions” to this issue or in any way helpful. We need to rethink this entire matter. 

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The ACLU will be suing the Biden Administration as they claim that this executive order is illegal. Good for them, I am proud to be a regular contributor. 

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Nothing is Bidens fault.  This guy has it better than Obama. Imagine being told by this corrupt old fool the Birder is republicans, and of course, Trumps fault, and running with it? Afghanistan disaster wasn’t his fault either. And on and on. 

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Biden fulfilling all of Trump’s broken promises: Afghanistan withdrawal, infrastructure bill, fixing the border etc. He should pay off the debt and replace the ACA with “something wonderful” next!  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

MDC is sad. Real sad. 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It was different. But not for the “cages” reason, for the deliberate family separation reason. 

1. What Obama did was awful. 
2. What Trump did was far worse. 
3. What Biden is doing now is awful but not as bad as what Trump did. 
4. What Trump is promising to do if elected again will be catastrophic and horrific. 
 

NONE of these are “solutions” to this issue or in any way helpful. We need to rethink this entire matter. 

Biden said he wouldn't separate kids.  He already did that by supporting Obama.  So, I was right... he lied and @squistion's (fact check was bull crap).  Thanks for playing.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The ACLU will be suing the Biden Administration as they claim that this executive order is illegal. Good for them, I am proud to be a regular contributor. 

The Biden Administration doesn't care if the order goes through, they just need to the undocumented's that are here (and still to come), know that he's fighting for them.  He's trying to get the Hispanic vote.  He/(they... the DNC), knows that no matter what comes of this bill, the base is voting for him.  It's all about virtue signaling to the Hispanic community... nothing more, nothing less.

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41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The Biden Administration doesn't care if the order goes through, they just need to the undocumented's that are here (and still to come), know that he's fighting for them.  He's trying to get the Hispanic vote.  He/(they... the DNC), knows that no matter what comes of this bill, the base is voting for him.  It's all about virtue signaling to the Hispanic community... nothing more, nothing less.

I rarely agree with you but…yeah I think you’re right here. 

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On 6/4/2024 at 4:34 PM, squistion said:

No, it is false that Obama separated children from their family.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policy

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy

THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations. [...]

This isn’t correct. It wasn’t a policy but it’s the practical reality. And they continued to be separated for long periods of time. Neither the Obama nor Biden admins have any room to criticize Trump for that, frankly. 

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10 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Biden said he wouldn't separate kids.  He already did that by supporting Obama.  So, I was right... he lied and @squistion's (fact check was bull crap).  Thanks for playing.

Yeah this is mostly accurate, sadly.