Philadelphia Business Curfew

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Councilmembers Cindy Bass and Mike Driscoll have introduced late-night curfews for businesses in the 8th and 6th districts. Driscoll said the goal is to reduce quality of life crime.

Wondering if any of the Philly geeks know more about this effort and its effectiveness.

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I hadn’t heard about it but assumed from your headline they were cracking down on problem bodegas. Looks like it’s limited to some rougher districts.

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I hadn’t heard about it but assumed from your headline they were cracking down on problem bodegas. Looks like it’s limited to some rougher districts.

I want to know if this helps, I mean....it could and it might....I assume there is some knowledge on the ground about what is going on that led them to try this. 

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I want to know if this helps, I mean....it could and it might....I assume there is some knowledge on the ground about what is going on that led them to try this. 

Had t heard about it until your article. I assume they’re trying to crack down on corner bodegas where shady folks loiter all night. There’s one on every corner in North Philly.

[weepaws 3,193]

More big bother.  I wonder how those businesses think about it.  If they like it way not close early before the curfew was in effect. 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

Keeping the stereotypes alive 

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6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

More big bother.  I wonder how those businesses think about it.  If they like it way not close early before the curfew was in effect. 

Maybe, but that is just what it appears to be on its face.   I think perhaps a more apt assessment might be whether or not it could be true that the business instead of the people are at fault here....

I want to know....when you take away the business, what do the people then do....suddenly become good citizens?

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

Shocking they've proposed this in SF too: https://abc7news.com/mayor-london-breed-proposes-business-curfew-for-san-franciscos-tenderloin/14721396/

But just for those business that may deal with "high crime" activities: 

The proposal would impose curfews on smoke shops and corner stores--forcing them to close between midnight and 5 a.m. or they would face fines.

The proposed curfew would not apply to restaurants, bars or event halls.

Supporters say the pilot program could help crack down on people who gather outside retail stores or smoke shops late at night and engage in drug-related crimes.

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If only Sephora was closed.....Jasmine could have been spared....

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38 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Maybe, but that is just what it appears to be on its face.   I think perhaps a more apt assessment might be whether or not it could be true that the business instead of the people are at fault here....

I want to know....when you take away the business, what do the people then do....suddenly become good citizens?

When you close the business, the people who loiter outside of it disperse, instead of drinking outside of it, getting into fights, dealing and otherwise being a nuisance to the neighborhood.

[Cdub100 3,909]

Democrat logic. If the business isn't open the "problem people" (this would be racist if anyone else did this) will go home.

No they will just move someplace else.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,434]

Are these MAGA types? You know, the biggest threat. 

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

When you close the business, the people who loiter outside of it disperse, instead of drinking outside of it, getting into fights, dealing and otherwise being a nuisance to the neighborhood.

Where do they go instead?

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Just now, RLLD said:

Where do they go instead?

The park.  

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Where do they go instead?

They go home to get a good night sleep and prepare for their work day.

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I have some doubts that this will be true.....but will wait to see if there is some evidence to support the notion. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

So, forcing stores owned and operated by minorities are being targets by the government and controlling the hours of operation.  Wonder when @The Real timschochet will be here to point out how this is systemic racism..... 

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

So, forcing stores owned and operated by minorities are being targets by the government and controlling the hours of operation.  Wonder when @The Real timschochet will be here to point out how this is systemic racism..... 

I don’t know anything about Philadelphia, never been there. However I plan to go for the first time this fall to visit my nephew who was accepted into Drexel. So I’ll keep you updated! 

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I have some doubts that this will be true.....but will wait to see if there is some evidence to support the notion. 

I’m not saying it’s good legislation but I understand the rationale. If you lived in one of these neighborhoods it would suck to listen to the ruckus every night of the week. Contrary to Geek Club logic even in the hood are working people who need to get kids to school and go to jobs the next day. Even if you’re just pushing the problem around I’m sure it’s appreciated.

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23 minutes ago, MDC said:

When you close the business, the people who loiter outside of it disperse, instead of drinking outside of it, getting into fights, dealing and otherwise being a nuisance to the neighborhood.

Do you think they’ll go home and get a good nights rest or move to another shithole?

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

They go home to get a good night sleep and prepare for their work day.

 

Just now, Alias Detective said:

Do you think they’ll go home and get a good nights rest or move to another shithole?

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Just now, Alias Detective said:

Do you think they’ll go home and get a good nights rest or move to another shithole?

I think it’s easier to loiter outside a corner bodega without attracting police attention than a public park or the side of the road. Easier to get a fresh 40 too.  

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not saying it’s good legislation but I understand the rationale. If you lived in one of these neighborhoods it would suck to listen to the ruckus every night of the week. Contrary to Geek Club logic even in the hood are working people who need to get kids to school and go to jobs the next day. Even if you’re just pushing the problem around I’m sure it’s appreciated.

I get that.  I simply do not believe that the people causing the undesirable activity will say " gee whiz, they closed some stores, I guess I will change my behavior and just go home....."

Such a notion seems to ignore how people really are....

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I get that.  I simply do not believe that the people causing the undesirable activity will say " gee whiz, they closed some stores, I guess I will change my behavior and just go home....."

Such a notion seems to ignore how people really are....

Nobody thinks that. 

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Nobody thinks that. 

I think I perhaps took your statement too literally