June 27 Presidential debate

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

FWIW- there is an Ipsos poll that shows the person gained the most from the first debate was RFK. 

That just means people are abandoning Biden.

I will never vote for Trump and I can’t vote for Biden now. He simply is not up to the task.

But I sure as fock ain’t voting for crazy ass RFK Jr.

So I guess it’s write in or sitting this one out altogether.

Thanks Democrats

[Hardcore troubadour 14,864]

I voted on everything but President in 2000.  I have never regretted it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

That just means people are abandoning Biden.

I will never vote for Trump and I can’t vote for Biden now. He simply is not up to the task.

But I sure as fock ain’t voting for crazy ass RFK Jr.

So I guess it’s write in or sitting this one out altogether.

Thanks Democrats

 

The number movement was interesting. 

Of the voters polled prior to the debate:

48.2% were voting for Biden, 43.5% for Trump, and 17.3% for RFK. (I know that doesn't add to 100%- candidates were allowed to say they were considering more than one candidate)

After the debate the numbers were: 46.7% for Biden, 43.9% for Trump, and 18.4% for RFK. (The Green Party candidate and Libertarian candidate Chase Oliver also went up a percentage point- because this is the year for Jill Stein apparently).

So basically it's not like Trump super impressed people either- just disappointed in a different way I'd venture. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Wishful thinking, to adapt a phrase, is a helluva drug.

In the aftermath of Joe Biden’s debate with Donald Trump, his well-wishers are claiming that it was just an off night. “Bad debate nights happen,” wrote Barack Obama in a social media post that’s garnered more than 100 million views. Reid Hoffman, the LinkedIn co-founder and a major Democratic donor, wrote that when Biden “does poorly, he tends to bounce back — and then win.” Biden himself told a gathering of East Hampton donors that “I didn’t have a great night, but neither did Trump.”

Pure nonsense.

It’s true that Obama had a bad first debate against Mitt Romney in 2012, just as Ronald Reagan had a bad first debate against Walter Mondale in 1984 — and both men went on to win resounding re-elections. It’s also true that Donald Trump’s performance — by turns bombastic, evasive, mendacious and meandering — would have been seen as embarrassing against nearly any other opponent.

But Biden was his opponent, and the transparent problem with the president’s performance wasn’t that he debated poorly. It’s that he is suffering from serious cognitive decline, something from which there is no coming back. I don’t say this as a medical expert, only as one of many millions of people who have witnessed, in elderly people we love, the same symptoms we saw in Biden on Thursday: the garbled thoughts and slurred words and unfinished sentences; the vacant stare; the confusion.

As a human matter, this is heartbreaking. As a political one, it’s disqualifying. Biden is asking voters for four more years to “finish the job.” Given recent reports in The Wall Street Journalabout the speed of his deterioration, that’s a promise he’d be unlikely to keep even if he somehow wins the election.
 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/25/opinion/thepoint#biden-debate-cognitive-decline
 

Democrats need to stop with this “one bad night” nonsense. Literally no one is buying it. It’s actually insulting 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,864]

Reagan had a bad debate, but a good first four years. Obama had a bad debate, but a good first four years.  Biden had a disastrous debate, but a disastrous first four years.  Those are the differences folks. 

[5-Points 3,368]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

He fumbled pretty much every big moment where he needed to be Presidential as opposed to confrontational. --- I disagree

Pulling out of the deal with Iran helped stoke Middle East conflict. Additionally- people forget that about 2 months before COVID hit there was some talk/concern of a war brewing with Iran. -- This is completely wrong. We are closer to war with Iran now than we've ever been. 

Trump pulled out of Syria and hung our Kurdish allies out to dry fighting ISIS. ---We shouldn't have been there in the first place. 

He buddied up to Putin (and still does) while reports were coming out that Russia was paying bounties for Taliban militants to kill US troops. (Those three things affected our world standing)--- Just stop with this buIIshit. If Trump was buddied up with Putin then why did Putin invaded Crimea under Obama, mind his manners under Trump, then invade Ukraine under Biden? Don't be afraid to see what you see. 

He campaigned for years on replacing the Affordable Care Act and then in 4 years could get nothing done to put anything in place.--He wasn't able to get much legislation through a hostile Congress. That's not on him. 

The US took the brunt of the COVID 19 epidemic worldwide with over 24 million cases and while Trump did help get some vaccine stuff in place he then never really stood there and tried to convince people to do what needed to be done in order to try to endgame the pandemic. He kept playing both sides instead of taking a definitive stand. Additionally, he had spent the first few years of his presidency slashing the budget to the CDC and HHS. His administration also fumbled with the PPP as they were ignoring swaths of small businesses because of who was running it and a lot of big corporations got taken care of.--- What needed to be done? 

The US National Debt was the highest levels it had seen since World War II when Trump left office- I know people will try to attribute that all to COVID, but it isn't all COVID based.--- It was largely due to covid. That is undeniable. 

He sewed distrust in the 4th estate. He threatened to deploy troops into US cities because he disagreed with Democratic leadership. (That all furthered this whole "us against them" BS we live in)-- He exposed them, or rather allowed them to expose themselves, for the shills they are. Many of us already knew they were full of sh!t but they ripped the curtain down and showed everyone their asses because they were petrified of him. 

His tax cuts were catered to the rich, they cost the US a bunch of money, and didn't trickle down like we were told they would. --- I benefited from his tax cuts. I'm not rich. 

As for a new term he wants to expand the tariffs he put in place (which helped lead to inflation we are facing right now) which will most likely lead to more price rising. --- That's debatable. 

 

And even with all that- I'm not someone who has ever said Trump was the worst president ever, I never argued "he's the end of democracy as we know it." But I'm not strapping in for another 4 years of a person who is a pathological liar and says idiotic things through pursed lips that look like a puckering anus to get a bunch of lemmings to clap at a cult rally. ---So you won't be voting for Biden then. 

 

Thanks for the response but you didn't really answer my question. What negative impact did Trump's policies have on the country? 

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Thanks for the response but you didn't really answer my question. What negative impact did Trump's policies have on the country? 

You did exactly what I figured you would- brushed past the criticisms because Trump and his handlers tell you how to react. To the one thing you called "bullshit"....Trump said in the debate he was talking with Putin after Putin invaded Ukraine

Of course nothing is Trump's fault to you guys because you buy his narrative that he is some poor wittle put upon guy fighting for the little person even though he was born rich and has been rich his whole life. There is no changing the delusions of a cult member or at least a cult adjacent member

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You did exactly what I figured you would- brushed past the criticisms because Trump and his handlers tell you how to react. 

Of course nothing is Trump's fault to you guys because you buy his narrative that he is some poor wittle put upon guy fighting for the little person even though he was born rich and has been rich his whole life. There is no changing the delusions of a cult member or at least a cult adjacent member

I agree.  Your delusions you get at your liberal glory hole are too rooted in your brain.  We would have to perform an entire lobotomy on you to maybe even get a glimmer of saving you from your hysteria and mania. 

Glad we could finally agree on something.

[5-Points 3,368]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You did exactly what I figured you would- brushed past the criticisms because Trump and his handlers tell you how to react. To the one thing you called "bullshit"....Trump said in the debate he was talking with Putin after Putin invaded Ukraine

Of course nothing is Trump's fault to you guys because you buy his narrative that he is some poor wittle put upon guy fighting for the little person even though he was born rich and has been rich his whole life. There is no changing the delusions of a cult member or at least a cult adjacent member

You lose any credibility you might have otherwise had when you call somebody a cultist because they disagree with you. 

HTH

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You lose any credibility you might have otherwise had when you call somebody a cultist because they disagree with you. 

HTH

He's over in the Disney thread right now arguing that Inside Out 2 is going to recover all of the 1 billion+ in movie losses from the last 2 years.

I mean, he ain't to bright.  And this guy teaches kids.  Poor kids.

[5-Points 3,368]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

He's over in the Disney thread right now arguing that Inside Out 2 is going to recover all of the 1 billion+ in movie losses from the last 2 years.

I mean, he ain't too bright.  And this guy teaches kids.  Poor kids.

It's the go-to for someone who can't defend their own position. "You're a cultist" is the new "you're racist." 

They think it gives them an out to shut down the discussion when it really just makes them look weak. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,722]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And this guy teaches kids

He's a groomer. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

It's the go-to for someone who can't defend their own position. "You're a cultist" is the new "you're racist." 

They think it gives them an out to shut down the discussion when it really just makes them look weak. 

Yep. The last, desperate gasp of a man who's got nothin'.

 

[5-Points 3,368]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yep. The last, desperate gasp of a man who's got nothin'.

 

That should be Biden's campaign slogan.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

It's the go-to for someone who can't defend their own position. "You're a cultist" is the new "you're racist." 

They think it gives them an out to shut down the discussion when it really just makes them look weak. 

I did defend my positions. You asked for things he did that hurt the country I listed double digits and talked about them. You responded with glib answers and had to say "stop with this bullshit" on the one that Trump just admitted to in the debate a few days ago. You aren't interested in having a discussion. I even said what I always have about how Trump is not some evil incarnate like people try to claim. I'm more fair and balanced about it then you. Sorry that offends you. 

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yep. The last, desperate gasp of a man who's got nothin'.

 

You would know....you literally just used your "glory hole" line a post ago. 

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Russians putting bounties on our troops lie has been thoroughly debunked. But Mooney doesn’t mind repeating the lie. But that stuff pisses me off, when nerf ball faegs like Mooney use our troops as pawns to make a point, by telling a lie no less. Shut your Fockin mouth about them if you’re not going to respect them. 

they said they had "low to moderate confidence" in it...not debunked it.

And I 100% respect the troops as I have had multiple family members serve over time and many friends as well. So get fooking lost with that BS

[5-Points 3,368]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I did defend my positions. You asked for things he did that hurt the country I listed double digits and talked about them. You responded with glib answers and had to say "stop with this bullshit" on the one that Trump just admitted to in the debate a few days ago. You aren't interested in having a discussion. I even said what I always have about how Trump is not some evil incarnate like people try to claim. I'm more fair and balanced about it then you. Sorry that offends you. 

You would know....you literally just used your "glory hole" line a post ago. 

Trump being a Putin stooge is utter buIIshit and I called you on it. 

You didn't give any examples of Trump's policies hurting the country, you gave examples of him hurting your feelings. 

It's good. You tried.

 

ETA: Trump's policies resulted in low gas prices, low energy prices, record low unemployment, a more secure border.... all of which had a positive effect on the country. Not to mention peace in the middle east, no new wars and the ending of wars we were in at the time. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I did defend my positions. You asked for things he did that hurt the country I listed double digits and talked about them. You responded with glib answers and had to say "stop with this bullshit" on the one that Trump just admitted to in the debate a few days ago. You aren't interested in having a discussion. I even said what I always have about how Trump is not some evil incarnate like people try to claim. I'm more fair and balanced about it then you. Sorry that offends you. 

You would know....you literally just used your "glory hole" line a post ago. 

Sad.  I mean, I can't even give you an "A" for effort. 

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

16 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

I mean, he ain't to bright.  And this guy teaches kids.  Poor kids.

You are only the 8th person to attack me for being a teacher here..

Just tired man.

[Fireballer 2,639]

29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Democrats need to stop with this “one bad night” nonsense. Literally no one is buying it. It’s actually insulting 

Exactly.  Although true, anyone can have a “bad night” or a “slow start”, they actual think no one is recognizing the root cause for Joes bad night. Holy gaslighting.  The root cause for Obama having a bad night vs Joe having a bad night, are worlds apart.  

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Trump being a Putin stooge is utter buIIshit and I called you on it. 

You didn't give any examples of Trump's policies hurting the country, you gave examples of him hurting your feelings. 

It's good. You tried.

I talked about how the things hurt the country. I don't define things by my feelings. 

Gee what group of people have made a mission statement out of "Fook your feelings" as a counterattack? And you say you are the one who is being hit by someone who is at the end because they have nothing.

You asked a question and I foolishly thought you wanted to actually have a discussion. You didn't. Don't worry- I won't make the mistake again- you can go in the heap with eternal dummy and maximum overkill and the like. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You are only the 8th person to attack me for being a teacher here..

Just tired man.

You really surprised that a teacher that doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground is getting flack?  We don't feel sorry for you, we feel sorry for the kids. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

5 hours ago, 5-Points said:

"Judges"

This guy thinks judges are beyond reproach.

That is until they rule against his beliefs. Then they're bought and paid for. But only then. 

So every single one of Clownzo's frivolous election lawsuits - which cost taxpayers about $500 million - gets kicked out, including the cases that made it to his stacked Supreme Court, and you're still in denial that Biden won fair and square, just because your cult leader keeps saying the election was rigged.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-us-supreme-court-5cc6aee8c328c7bb1d423244b979bcec

You're a special kind of ignorant.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

27 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 Just stop  with this buIIshit. If Trump was buddied up with Putin then why did Putin invaded Crimea under Obama, mind his manners under Trump, then invade Ukraine under  Biden? Don't be afraid to see what you see. 

Mind his manners?  He was getting what he wanted from trump.  Trump threatened NATO, was hostile towards Ukraine, etc.

Why invade Ukraine when Trump was going to hand it to him without a war?

After Putin couldn't get trump elected again, he follow through with his invasion 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I voted on everything but President in 2000.  I have never regretted it. 

No one cares.

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You really surprised that a teacher that doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground is getting flack?  We don't feel sorry for you, we feel sorry for the kids. 

I'd feel bad for kids around you but there aren't any allowed within 100 feet.

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Mind his manners?  He was getting what he wanted from trump.  Trump threatened NATO, was hostile towards Ukraine, etc.

Why invade Ukraine when Trump was going to hand it to him without a war?

After Putin couldn't get trump elected again, he follow through with his invasion 

Save the time...he doesn't want real conversation. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I'd feel bad for kids around you but there aren't any allowed within 100 feet.

Sounds like you're well aware of how that works. 

[5-Points 3,368]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I talked about how the things hurt the country. I don't define things by my feelings. 

Gee what group of people have made a mission statement out of "Fook your feelings" as a counterattack? And you say you are the one who is being hit by someone who is at the end because they have nothing.

You asked a question and I foolishly thought you wanted to actually have a discussion. You didn't. Don't worry- I won't make the mistake again- you can go in the heap with eternal dummy and maximum overkill and the like. 

Wow! Somebody needs some Motrin. 

[5-Points 3,368]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Mind his manners?  He was getting what he wanted from trump.  Trump threatened NATO, was hostile towards Ukraine, etc.

Why invade Ukraine when Trump was going to hand it to him without a war?

After Putin couldn't get trump elected again, he follow through with his invasion 

 

 

 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Wow! Somebody needs some Motrin. 

You need some Pamprin.

[5-Points 3,368]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You need some Pamprin.

You need your own material. When you recycle a joke it makes you a hack. 

hth

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

You need your own material. When you recycle a joke it makes you a hack. 

hth

You think the election was rigged, despite Clownzo's own judges throwing out all of his cases.

ERRR MURRR ELECTURN FRAURD!!!!

Hot gravy on a dead cat, this is so hilarious and all the more reason why you and your MAGAturd cultists need to go away. 

[jerryskids 6,522]

48 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 

Democrats need to stop with this “one bad night” nonsense. Literally no one is buying it. It’s actually insulting 

 

14 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Exactly.  Although true, anyone can have a “bad night” or a “slow start”, they actual think no one is recognizing the root cause for Joes bad night. Holy gaslighting.  The root cause for Obama having a bad night vs Joe having a bad night, are worlds apart.  

I believe that once team Biden decides to stay in the race, the MSM will deluge us with the "one bad night" narrative.   

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sounds like you're well aware of how that works. 

At least you made a comment without including the words "glory hole".

Progress for you

[shadrap 215]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You are only the 8th person to attack me for being a teacher here..

Just tired man.

teaching is admirable profession.  most good ones have endeavored to teach knowing the wages are not that good.  hopefully you are one of the good ones.  also most teachers are Dems because they are in a union.  The bad teachers love the union because they protect them from their ineptitude.  Comrades and all that.  IMO

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,809]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

At least you made a comment without including the words "glory hole".

Progress for you

Still waiting on ANY progress for you. 

[5-Points 3,368]

19 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You think the election was rigged, despite Clownzo's own judges throwing out all of his cases.

ERRR MURRR ELECTURN FRAURD!!!!

Hot gravy on a dead cat, this is so hilarious and all the more reason why you and your MAGAturd cultists need to go away. 

You think a government that riggs elections all around the world wouldn't do so here. 

What a maroon! 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,722]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

That just means people are abandoning Biden.

I will never vote for Trump and I can’t vote for Biden now. He simply is not up to the task.

But I sure as fock ain’t voting for crazy ass RFK Jr.

So I guess it’s write in or sitting this one out altogether.

Thanks Democrats

Here's what I don't get, Democrats are acting surprised that Biden is in such bad shape. As if we haven't seen it for at least 2 years now. Every interview and press conference was a disaster. 

So why now is every Democrat shocked by his cognitive decline? Did they see it and not want to admit it or have they not been paying attention? Because they seem to know everything Trump does. 

[5-Points 3,368]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Here's what I don't get, Democrats are acting surprised that Biden is in such bad shape. As if we haven't seen it for at least 2 years now. Every interview and press conference was a disaster. 

So why now is every Democrat shocked by his cognitive decline? Did they see it and not want to admit it or have they not been paying attention? Because they seem to know everything Trump does. 

They were finally given the green light to publicly acknowledge it.