Not at that ADP

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18 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

25 yo low-millage Sanders had that o-line and good team in '22... 17 gms - 259 car, 4.9 ypc, 20 rec, 11 Tds, and finished 13th.

24 yo low-millage Swift had that o-line and good team last year... 16 gms - 229 car, 4.6 ypc, 39 rec, 6 Tds, and finished 17th.

Here comes 27 yo high-millage Barkley with injury history... and an ADP of Rb 6.  At that price your betting your most valuable draft capital that he stays healthy all year and vastly outperforms the prior two Rbs, even though his '23 metrics weren't great.  Anything can happen, but I wouldn't make that bet.

On a significantly inferior team, Barkley averaged 66 receptions, 1680 total yards, and 11 TDs per season.  The guys you're giving me couldn't do that on a significantly inferior team.  I don't care how old any of them are, Barkley is way more talented at this point in his career (and proved it), than those two.

Now, like I said, I won't argue against a stance of "I don't believe he'll stay healthy", but if you're going to throw stats at me and try to tell me that Barkley won't be able to produce, well then I think you're just nuts.

Funny thing that you're talking about Sanders in 2022 though.  That same year, Barkley finished as RB5 that year.  Barkley also finished 7 spots higher than Swift in 2023, and Barkley only played 14 games, not 16 like Swift.

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6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

On a significantly inferior team, Barkley averaged 66 receptions, 1680 total yards, and 11 TDs per season.  The guys you're giving me couldn't do that on a significantly inferior team.

The guys I "gave you" were the last to play in that system, and they were both quite efficient (4.9 and 4.6 ypc). Barkley hasn't averaged 4.6 ypc in five years - and even if he does now with the upgraded o-line, how much better than 4.6 can he possibly get? Maybe Hurts will throw more to Rbs than he ever has in the past. Maybe, but that's not a given. Hurts will steal goal line work... that is a given. Then there's the age/millage concerns and Barkley's metrics weren't great last year - yds per carry, yds per touch, juke rate, evaded tackles, etc. all down from '22. "Not his fault  - the Giants sucked." Ok, there might be some truth to that.

The legend of Saquon Barkley going to the high-powered Eagles is making people fantasy stir crazy. I just think they're vastly under-estimating the risk.

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

25 yo low-millage Sanders had that o-line and good team in '22... 17 gms - 259 car, 4.9 ypc, 20 rec, 11 Tds, and finished 13th.

24 yo low-millage Swift had that o-line and good team last year... 16 gms - 229 car, 4.6 ypc, 39 rec, 6 Tds, and finished 17th.

Here comes 27 yo high-millage Barkley with injury history... and an ADP of Rb 6.  At that price your betting your most valuable draft capital that he stays healthy all year and vastly outperforms the prior two Rbs, even though his '23 metrics weren't great.  Anything can happen, but I wouldn't make that bet.

Swift wasn’t a good fit with the Eagles, Sanders is proving not to be a very good rb, he lost his job to Hubbard.  Barkley is three down rb, a very good fit. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,455]

15 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Evans was good last year but kinda sh1tty the two years before that. Had a few monster games and otherwise a lot of duds.

The flaw in this point of view is that in 2021 and 2022, Evans had Gronk, Godwin and Brown on the team (2021), and a disgrace at OC (Leftwich), and a version of Brady that appeared less than interested (2022).  In 2021, all 3 WR's were there the first 6 weeks, from Week 7 to 18, Evans posted 31.6, 12.8, BYE, 14.2, 20.3, 4.6, 16.9,  21.1, 2.4 (inj first q), DNP, 14.7, & 26.9.  The only "dud" game he had was Week 12 (in which Gronk went 7 for 123 and Brady didn't have a very good game, only 25-34 for 226 yards).  Of course, you're free to count an injury against him if you want.

In 2022, Evans did have a number of "dud" games, but that's the only year you'll find where this happened.  Like I said, that was with Leftwich, who was a nightmare and subsequently fired and Brady didn't seem interested.  Last year, when there was only 1 good WR opposite him and a QB who made him the priority, he was a solid WR1.  I don't expect that to change this year.

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2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The guys I "gave you" were the last to play in that system, and they were both quite efficient (4.9 and 4.6 ypc). Barkley hasn't averaged 4.6 ypc in five years - and even if he does now with the upgraded o-line, how much better than 4.6 can he possibly get? Maybe Hurts will throw more to Rbs than he ever has in the past. Maybe, but that's not a given. Hurts will steal goal line work... that is a given. Then there's the age/millage concerns and Barkley's metrics weren't great last year - yds per carry, yds per touch, juke rate, evaded tackles, etc. all down from '22. "Not his fault  - the Giants sucked." Ok, there might be some truth to that.

The legend of Saquon Barkley going to the high-powered Eagles is making people fantasy stir crazy. I just think they're vastly under-estimating the risk.

Barkley hasn’t had the team that Swift and Sanders had with the Eagles. No o-line with the Gmen, lack of playmakers at wr, And And avg Qb at best.  Barkley just received an upgrade.  

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21 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The guys I "gave you" were the last to play in that system, and they were both quite efficient (4.9 and 4.6 ypc). Barkley hasn't averaged 4.6 ypc in five years - and even if he does now with the upgraded o-line, how much better than 4.6 can he possibly get? Maybe Hurts will throw more to Rbs than he ever has in the past. Maybe, but that's not a given. Hurts will steal goal line work... that is a given. Then there's the age/millage concerns and Barkley's metrics weren't great last year - yds per carry, yds per touch, juke rate, evaded tackles, etc. all down from '22. "Not his fault  - the Giants sucked." Ok, there might be some truth to that.

The legend of Saquon Barkley going to the high-powered Eagles is making people fantasy stir crazy. I just think they're vastly under-estimating the risk.

Exactly, those guys were efficient because of the team they played on... and they still weren't as good as Barkley those years.  Barkley averaged around 17 carries per game in NY, neither Sanders nor Swift did... Sanders had 15 and Swift 13.  Remember, Boston Scott was on those teams, taking about 3+ carries a game from them and he's not there.  Also, Kenneth Gainwell was good for that as well.  Now, he's still there, but I don't think his role changes.  I think the biggest difference will be that the Eagles (I believe), brought in Barkley so that they don't have to give Hurts 160 carries.  Yeah, no kidding Barkley didn't run for 4.6 ypc, he played on a team that no one feared the pass nor could run block.    Color me SHOCKED!!

I think the only risk is injury, and I think that's valid.  If someone feels he can get through, say 15 games and he does, they're going get a good return on investment.

 

[GobbleDog 948]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think the only risk is injury, and I think that's valid.  If someone feels he can get through, say 15 games and he does, they're going get a good return on investment.

Hurts stealing goal line work isn't a risk?  Eagles not throwing much to Rb's in recent years isn't a risk? Barkley losing some skill at this point in his career isn't a risk?

Nope, "just injury".  We see things differently I guess.

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1 minute ago, GobbleDog said:

Hurts stealing goal line work isn't a risk?  Eagles not throwing much to Rb's in recent years isn't a risk? Barkley losing some skill at this point in his career isn't a risk?

Nope, "just injury".  We see things differently I guess.

As a matter of fact, no I don't see a risk with Hurts stealing goal line carries for a couple of reasons.  1) I believe Kelce was the driving force of that success of the "Brotherly Shove", and I don't believe his replacement will be as good and 2) I believe the Eagle got Barkley to reduce the number of carries, especially the goal line carries, that Hurts has been getting.

I think the Eagles will be looking to use Barkley's excellent pass catching skills as another way to reduce the number of carries that Hurts is taking.  Why?  Because Barkley, unlike Sanders, Gainwell, and Scott, is a 3-down back.  When Sanders and Scott were in the game on first and second down, teams knew that the Eagles were likely to pass downfield or hand off.  When Gainwell was on the field, they knew the Eagles were likely to pass the pass and not run.  The net result was very few pass targets on 1st and 2nd downs to Sanders and Gainwell, and a lot Hurts rush attempts on 3rd downs.  That scenario will no longer exist now that Barkley is back there.  Swift was a 3-down back, but he's not as good as Barkley.  Also, the Eagles offense wasn't quite as good last year as it was the year before.  I think a good part of that is because of the OC, who is no longer there.
 

Correct, I see injury as the only real risk, and it's a valid one.  Nothing wrong with different perspectives.

For me, if I took a WR in R1, I don't think I'd take Barkley as my RB1 in R2 because of the injury history.  That said, if I took a RB in R1 and still loved the depth at WR going forward, I'd definitely take the shot at Barkley in R2.

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Right now Henry is the better pick early rd2

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14 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Right now Henry is the better pick early rd2

Full PPR? 

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Last season full ppr , Barkley avg 16 ppg, I think Henry will have a Mostert type season, Mostert avg 18 ppg, while only have 25 rec , compared to Barkley who had 41.  So yes I’m targeting Henry second only too McCaffrey in my 14 team non ppr, and my 12 team full ppr, plus another bonus, I can go get a stud wr first rd, since Henry adp currently is rd2.  

 

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4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

As a matter of fact, no I don't see a risk with Hurts stealing goal line carries for a couple of reasons.  1) I believe Kelce was the driving force of that success of the "Brotherly Shove", and I don't believe his replacement will be as good and 2) I believe the Eagle got Barkley to reduce the number of carries, especially the goal line carries, that Hurts has been getting.

I'll give ya Barkley's receptions will probably be higher than Gibbs and Sanders... how much higher - debatable, but higher.  I'll even give the benefit of doubt that Barkley's still an elite runner (I question, but whatever). However I won't budge an inch on Hurts stealing those goal line Tds. They have an unstoppable play. Unless they think Kelce's replacement can't do it, or the play just stops working... I'll have to see it to believe it. Which puts a hard cap on Barkley's value.

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

7 hours ago, weepaws said:

Last season full ppr , Barkley avg 16 ppg,

Last season, in a garbage, non existing offense. 

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22 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Last season, in a garbage, non existing offense. 

He’s going to a better situation no question, but so is Henry.  

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5 hours ago, weepaws said:

He’s going to a better situation no question, but so is Henry.  

Don't get me wrong, I think both are in wonderful situations. But I'll take the younger, more versatile Saquon all day. Especially in a PPR format. 

Henry is at the RB wall where he can fall off the cliff any day. Eliminate that risk

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20 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

25 yo low-millage Sanders had that o-line and good team in '22... 17 gms - 259 car, 4.9 ypc, 20 rec, 11 Tds, and finished 13th.

24 yo low-millage Swift had that o-line and good team last year... 16 gms - 229 car, 4.6 ypc, 39 rec, 6 Tds, and finished 17th.

Here comes 27 yo high-millage Barkley with injury history... and an ADP of Rb 6.  At that price your betting your most valuable draft capital that he stays healthy all year and vastly outperforms the prior two Rbs, even though his '23 metrics weren't great.  Anything can happen, but I wouldn't make that bet.

well, sanders is (and was) a very mediocre back.   and he finished 13th.

Swift has also struggled to stay healthy but in a committee of sorts he shined in Philly.   It looks like they tried to limit his touches (likely due to the injury history)  most of his carries by game were in the range of 15 and game 1 he got only one carry.   if they give him a fair workload he bumps up.

 

my main concern with Barkley is his health but hes healtier than swift was.     I also am concered with his draft position.   thats where its tough because a top 10 RB REALLY NEEDs to produce to be worth your pick.

I do think Barkley is a good producer.  I just dont know that he's #5 or #6  overall good

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2 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

well, sanders is (and was) a very mediocre back.   and he finished 13th.

Swift has also struggled to stay healthy but in a committee of sorts he shined in Philly.   It looks like they tried to limit his touches (likely due to the injury history)  most of his carries by game were in the range of 15 and game 1 he got only one carry.   if they give him a fair workload he bumps up.

I think everyone who's not familiar with the situation is confused. That Philly offense was a train wreck the last 2 seasons. The play calling was horrendous and ultimately got 2 OCs fired because of it. 

This is an entirely new regime offensively with an entirety new scheme. You cannot compare the two situations, they couldn't be more different. 

I promise everyone that this offense will look NOTHING like it did last season. 

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Justin Jefferson at #6 overall. I do not care how good you are if the guys throwing you the ball are Darnold and rookie McCarthy you are going to be hard pressed to put up numbers to justify that early of a pick.  

[GobbleDog 948]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I think everyone who's not familiar with the situation is confused. That Philly offense was a train wreck the last 2 seasons.

Eagles had the 7th highest points per game last year (25.5) and 3rd highest in '22... (28.1).  That's a train wreck offense.?.

If I had to pick one player to disappoint more than any other this year, it's Barkley. Expectations are through the roof and I can already hear the end-year excuses: "if only he'd stayed healthy..." "if only they'd thrown more to him..."  "if only Hurts hadn't vultured so many Tds..." "if only they hadn't used committee backfield..."   and perhaps some honesty "well, maybe Barkley isn't the elite rb he used to be." 

I'm not drafting any Rbs in the early rounds, so I have no skin in this game. Just calling what I see. Barkley at Rb 6 has disappointment written all over it. I'll be the first to eat crow if I'm wrong, but I hope everyone knows the risk going in. If ya think I'm dead wrong and Barkley is a slam dunk/great pick... I'm cool with that too. I don't take anything personally.

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I think everyone who's not familiar with the situation is confused. That Philly offense was a train wreck the last 2 seasons. The play calling was horrendous and ultimately got 2 OCs fired because of it. 

This is an entirely new regime offensively with an entirety new scheme. You cannot compare the two situations, they couldn't be more different. 

I promise everyone that this offense will look NOTHING like it did last season. 

New, new ,new could also = train wreak.  I don’t know.  

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2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

train wreak.

Define "Trainwreck". 

It will never be as worse as where Barkley came from. The only scenario where Barkley fails is injury IMO. 

[kilroy69 1,196]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Define "Trainwreck". 

It will never be as worse as where Barkley came from. The only scenario where Barkley fails is injury IMO. 

He does not have to fail in order to not live up the his lofty draft projections now as the 4th rb off the board. I could easily see Gibbs, Henry, Achane,Jacobs and cook all having better seasons and all being drafted outside the first. He can still put up good numbers and just not be worth a first round numbers. 

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1 minute ago, kilroy69 said:

He can still put up good numbers and just not be worth a first round numbers. 

Absolutely. Jonathan Brooks could be Top 5, we have no idea. We do know that Barkley is Uber talented and in a great offense. That's all we can go by, otherwise we're guessing. 

[GobbleDog 948]

1 minute ago, kilroy69 said:

I could easily see Gibbs, Henry, Achane,Jacobs and cook all having better seasons

Achane finished with the 4th highest fantasy points per game (17.8). Among 50+ carry Rbs... he finished 1st in Yards after initial contact and 1st in Yards per carry. He's an electric player and his speed matches what the Dolphins want to do.

But there's concern - Achane only played 11 games last year, with about 25% of his total production coming from one game - Week 3... (233 yds, 4 Tds).  From the time he got rolling in Week 3 til the end of season (not including one game where he only had 1 carry), he averaged 11.2 carries per game, but that dropped later in the season to about 9 per game after Week 13. Seemed coach McDaniel was worried about him getting injured again. Even in the playoff game.. just 6 carries. He gets receptions, but not quite as much as you might expect... only averaged 2.8 rec per game during the nine games he was fully active. Playoff game - 3 receptions. To top it all off this is one crowded backfield... Mostert, Wilson, 4th round rookie Jaylen Wright (Achane speed clone - who was almost certainly drafted to spare Achane from overwork/re-injury as he's only 5'9 and 188 lbs.)

Achane is currently ranked Rb 11. I don't understand it. You can get Rbs guaranteed to have 250-300+ touches at that range (Henry, Jacobs, Cook).  Achane will have some highlights, but he won't get the volume you might expect at that price.

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Agree about Archane, to many variables to take him at his current ADP.   I Rb that I really like, with a great ADP is Z White with the Raiders.  He has no competition on the team, he’s going to be the focus based on what the new HC has been saying, Not a very good team, but his volume makes worthy of his ADP, he’s listed at rb22,  being drafted in rd 7 or later.  He’s a very good buy.  

 

[Ray_T 731]

14 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That Philly offense was a train wreck the last 2 seasons.

yeah I dont know if train wreck is the word I'd use.  as mentioned earlier they were a top 10 offense.

I'd agree they underachieved.   

when I think of train wreck offenses I think of Chicago from (I think 2 years ago)  or the Rams before McVay came in.     those were train wrecks.

this offense can at least move the ball and score.     which is more than you can say for the New York offense.    You could probably call last years Giants offense a train wreck.  O line was hurt/ineffective, QB was hurt/ineffective.   Sequon was ok but when the gamescript went negative he was essentially taken out of the equasion. 

situationally this is far better than the offense he was in last year and the line is better too.   Even if he runs the ball less I'm betting his production is better.   but given how much the iggles are paying him, I'm pretty sure hes gonna play.

he will be good.  and better than he was in New York.     whether he deserves to be taken in the top 5 or 6 of a redraft is another question.   if you pay that much I think you are buying him at his maximum upside.    and its not that often that players perform to their max upside.   if it happens, its usually once or twice in a career.    Is it possible that the guy taking him at 5 overall ends up happy?   Sure it is.  thats within the possible outcomes.     but its more likely the guy taking him that early feels  Meh or slightly disappointed.

I think he will be a top 10 RB.   possibly top 5.   but to do much better than that it needs to be a career best.   thats what you are betting on if you take him at 5

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4 hours ago, Ray_T said:

yeah I dont know if train wreck is the word I'd use.  as mentioned earlier they were a top 10 offense.

Bad enough where 2 offensive coordinators.got fired in season. It was a big play offense, the numbers.looked ok at the end of the season, but in game was bad. 

The play calling was atrocious. 

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17 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Achane finished with the 4th highest fantasy points per game (17.8). Among 50+ carry Rbs... he finished 1st in Yards after initial contact and 1st in Yards per carry. He's an electric player and his speed matches what the Dolphins want to do.

But there's concern - Achane only played 11 games last year, with about 25% of his total production coming from one game - Week 3... (233 yds, 4 Tds).  From the time he got rolling in Week 3 til the end of season (not including one game where he only had 1 carry), he averaged 11.2 carries per game, but that dropped later in the season to about 9 per game after Week 13. Seemed coach McDaniel was worried about him getting injured again. Even in the playoff game.. just 6 carries. He gets receptions, but not quite as much as you might expect... only averaged 2.8 rec per game during the nine games he was fully active. Playoff game - 3 receptions. To top it all off this is one crowded backfield... Mostert, Wilson, 4th round rookie Jaylen Wright (Achane speed clone - who was almost certainly drafted to spare Achane from overwork/re-injury as he's only 5'9 and 188 lbs.)

Achane is currently ranked Rb 11. I don't understand it. You can get Rbs guaranteed to have 250-300+ touches at that range (Henry, Jacobs, Cook).  Achane will have some highlights, but he won't get the volume you might expect at that price.

Yep. Add in the passing game with two-star WR's and touches will be spread out. Looks like a complete committee offense.

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It hasn't taken long for star running back Saquon Barkley to impress his new team, as it sounds like many believe he can be a game-changer for the Philadelphia Eagles.

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported on Sunday's episode of SportsCenter that many around the league are expecting big things out of Barkley in his first year in the City of Brotherly Love.

"The feeling around the league talking to several teams is that Saquon Barkley will make a major impact, maybe even like a Christian McCaffrey-to-49ers type impact because he's never had this sort of supporting cast, this kind of offensive line," Fowler said. "He's going to make [Jalen] Hurts' job a lot easier."

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10125732-nfl-rumors-teams-predict-saquon-barkley-has-mccaffrey-to-49ers-impact-with-eagles.amp.html

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I’m expecting big things out of Barkley with a better situation, don’t think that’s big news.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,455]

On 6/21/2024 at 9:35 PM, GobbleDog said:

I'll give ya Barkley's receptions will probably be higher than Gibbs and Sanders... how much higher - debatable, but higher.  I'll even give the benefit of doubt that Barkley's still an elite runner (I question, but whatever). However I won't budge an inch on Hurts stealing those goal line Tds. They have an unstoppable play. Unless they think Kelce's replacement can't do it, or the play just stops working... I'll have to see it to believe it. Which puts a hard cap on Barkley's value.

The reasoning on my stance on the Eagles rushing and passing game is because they hired Kellen Moore.  I don't think they brought in a gun slinger style OC to keep their QB running 150 times a season and not throwing to their back.  Yes, I believe that Dak and Herbert are better thrower's that Hurts and Hurts a better runner than Dak and Herbert.... but I believe the Eagles' intent is to bring the gaps closer.  That means, running, but less and throwing, but more.  I think Job #1 for Moore, is to get Hurts to stop running when his top 2/3 reads aren't there and dump off more to his backs.

The unstoppable play is a play that literally everyone can physically run.  Hurts isn't anything special at QB on these plays... it's a 1-yard run after all.  What the Eagles had that virtually no one else did, was an elite Hall of Fame Center.  Yes, I think he was the reason that play was as successful as it was.  Will they still run it?  Sure, but I don't think it will be as often nor as successful and the result will be that Hurts is not getting 11 rushing TD's like last year.

It'll definitely be interesting to see how they run their offense this year.

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48 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The reasoning on my stance on the Eagles rushing and passing game is because they hired Kellen Moore.  I don't think they brought in a gun slinger style OC to keep their QB running 150 times a season and not throwing to their back.  Yes, I believe that Dak and Herbert are better thrower's that Hurts and Hurts a better runner than Dak and Herbert.... but I believe the Eagles' intent is to bring the gaps closer.  That means, running, but less and throwing, but more.  I think Job #1 for Moore, is to get Hurts to stop running when his top 2/3 reads aren't there and dump off more to his backs.

The unstoppable play is a play that literally everyone can physically run.  Hurts isn't anything special at QB on these plays... it's a 1-yard run after all.  What the Eagles had that virtually no one else did, was an elite Hall of Fame Center.  Yes, I think he was the reason that play was as successful as it was.  Will they still run it?  Sure, but I don't think it will be as often nor as successful and the result will be that Hurts is not getting 11 rushing TD's like last year.

It'll definitely be interesting to see how they run their offense this year.

I think it’s going to be interesting also, they were successful, but now I think they might actually be a bit better.  Barkley is a darn good fit. 

[GobbleDog 948]

43 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

the result will be that Hurts is not getting 11 rushing TD's like last year.

Try 15 rushing Tds last year. 13 Tds in '22 and 10 Tds in '21. Those 38 rushing Tds are the highest of any player in the NFL over the past three seasons.

If Hurts doesn't get double digit rushing Tds this year, you get all the props in the world for calling it. I'm betting he does.

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27 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

If Hurts doesn't get double digit rushing Tds this year, you get all the props in the world for calling it. I'm betting he does.

They won't need Hurts to score double digit TDs. They didn't have anyone who could punch it in from 5 yards out so they were always in 4th and 1 at the goal line with Hurts. That's not happening as often with Barkley, guaranteed. 

Barkley gives them a whole other dimension that they never had. They never had a reliable pass catching RB. I think he cuts Hurts' rushing TDs in half at least. 

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On 6/22/2024 at 1:38 PM, GobbleDog said:

That's a train wreck offense.?.

Yes it was, that's why 2 OCs got fired in season. 

They left so many points on the field due to terrible play calling, it wasn't even funny. That's why I expect big things from Barkley. 

You obviously didn't watch. All in all It was bad. 

 

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24 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Try 15 rushing Tds last year. 13 Tds in '22 and 10 Tds in '21. Those 38 rushing Tds are the highest of any player in the NFL over the past three seasons.

If Hurts doesn't get double digit rushing Tds this year, you get all the props in the world for calling it. I'm betting he does.

When I said 11, I meant of the 1-yard run variety... the "Brotherly Shove", as it were.  I don't think those will happen with that frequency.  I think his 1-yard and multi-yard rushing TD's drop... possibly in half, all totaled.  I think he ends up with about 7 or 8.

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong.  If the Eagles keep running Hurts like they've been, it would be odd to me that their target OC hire would be a guy who's play calling history is to pass to RB's and downfield and avoid QB runs.  I just wouldn't understand the hire, that's all.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,455]

38 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I think it’s going to be interesting also, they were successful, but now I think they might actually be a bit better.  Barkley is a darn good fit. 

That's how I see it playing out.  I think Hurts passing numbers go up and rushing go down.  Obviously the fantasy aspect will suffer, but I don't think the NFL results will.  I actually think they improve.

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6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They won't need Hurts to score double digit TDs. They didn't have anyone who could punch it in from 5 yards out so they were always in 4th and 1 at the goal line with Hurts. That's not happening as often with Barkley, guaranteed. 

Barkley gives them a whole other dimension that they never had. They never had a reliable pass catching RB. I think he cuts Hurts' rushing TDs in half at least. 

I agree with this.

[GobbleDog 948]

41 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That's why I expect big things from Barkley.

At this point there's clearly nothing I can say to convince anyone. The Legendary Barkley with the high-powered Eagles is just too great. But just for fun, in New York Barkley had the advantage of being on the field all the time. His snap counts last year, which is similar to the year prior:

64%, 97%, 78%, 84%, 89%, 75%, 61%, 91%, 81%, 86%, 50%, 89%, 89%, 70%.

Wanna see Swift?

29%, 75%, 54%, 63%, 62%, 57%, 68%, 70%, 65%, 64%, 64%, 42%, 51%, 59%, 57%, 47%

Sanders had similar numbers.  I can already hear yall.... "but this is Barkley and a new o-coordinator. They're going to feed him til he drops!" Really? Even though he's 27 yo with high-millage/injury history and might want to preserve for a playoff push?  There's a lot of faith going on here - stays healthy (big one), hasn't lost a step (despite metrics to contrary), catches more passes than any Rb with Hurts before, has higher snap count than any Eagles Rb in recent history, and Hurts stops getting most goal line work. You're willing to risk an early 2nd round pick on all that?

[jrokh 601]

The Saquon you think you are getting isn't really that guy anymore in reality. Last Year he finished 35th overall by PFF grade among all RB's. Even accounting for the terrible OL and bad Gmen offense, his grade of 70.2 isn't great. Guys like James Conner and Tyler Allgier played behind bad Lines and bad teams but finished with 89.2, and 82.9 scores respectively...