Super Cubs 152 Posted June 16, 2024 who are you staying away from at there current ADP? FFToday top 225 for reference Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 51 Posted June 16, 2024 In PPR, don’t like R. White at 16, Deebo at 30, or McBride at 34. IMO at least a round early in 12 team for each…2 rounds early for McBride, who I like, but not in the 3rd round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 16, 2024 #5 Jefferson. #8 Taylor. #9 Nacua. #10 K Williams. Those are the ones in the top 14. I’ll come back later and check out the next group, great thread OP, Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 16, 2024 Any Qb, Te, kicker, Def being drafted in the single digit rounds. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 16, 2024 J Jacobs has a great ADP. I hope it stays that way come late August. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,637 Posted June 16, 2024 40 minutes ago, weepaws said: J Jacobs has a great ADP. I hope it stays that way come late August. Thanks. Bust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,186 Posted June 16, 2024 #9 Nacua. #10 K Williams. I think these are both the least likely to come anywhere near their draft position. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 16, 2024 Saquon Barkley's ADP of 2.02 (Rb6) is bananas. Last year his metrics declined dramatically probably from age, injuries and high millage. Hurts is going to steal goal line Tds and doesn't throw much to Rbs - last year Swift (known as a pass-catching back) only had 39 rec; in '22 Gainwell was the Eagles top receiving back... 23. I don't see how anyone can justify an early 2nd rounder. Name recognition goes a long way I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 16, 2024 30 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: Saquon Barkley's ADP of 2.02 (Rb6) is bananas. Last year his metrics declined dramatically probably from age, injuries and high millage. Hurts is going to steal goal line Tds and doesn't throw much to Rbs - last year Swift (known as a pass-catching back) only had 39 rec; in '22 Gainwell was the Eagles top receiving back... 23. I don't see how anyone can justify an early 2nd rounder. Name recognition goes a long way I guess. I dont think age had much to do with it. he was 26 last year. too early to decline due to age. but whenever you play on a bad team your metrics usually decline some. especially if the QB play isnt good. If I was a defense I'd stack the box and force the QB (or backup QB as was the case much of last year) to beat you through the air. On the Iggles, the Line is far superior, so I'd expect better numbers, more red zone opportunities and more TD. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 17, 2024 I wouldn’t have a problem with taking Barkley early 2nd rd, he would be my rb1 if I took a wr in the first rd, or my rb2 if I went rb in the first 14 team non ppr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,587 Posted June 17, 2024 10 hours ago, GobbleDog said: Saquon Barkley's ADP of 2.02 (Rb6) is bananas. Last year his metrics declined dramatically probably from age, injuries and high millage. Hurts is going to steal goal line Tds and doesn't throw much to Rbs - last year Swift (known as a pass-catching back) only had 39 rec; in '22 Gainwell was the Eagles top receiving back... 23. I don't see how anyone can justify an early 2nd rounder. Name recognition goes a long way I guess. I disagree. This is an entirely new Eagle offensive scheme. They didn't pay Barkley to be Gainwell. He's going to catch a lot of balls this season and serve as a 3 down back. They haven't had that in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 474 Posted June 17, 2024 Any RB in the 1st round not named Christian McCaffrey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolves111 94 Posted June 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, polecatt said: Any RB in the 1st round not named Christian McCaffrey Yeah, the two most mentioned come with questions for sure. Robinson shares a backfield with Algiere and Hall. I'd rather go WR then focus on the next group of RB's (Williams, Gibbs, Taylor, Barkley, Henry). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 17, 2024 2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: I disagree. This is an entirely new Eagle offensive scheme. They didn't pay Barkley to be Gainwell. He's going to catch a lot of balls this season and serve as a 3 down back. They haven't had that in years. The Eagles gave Barkley a 3-year deal with $26 mil guaranteed so he'll get volume. The o-line is an upgrade, there's no Rb competition, and maybe the new o-coordinator gets Hurts to throw more to Rbs than in recent years. Maybe. Barkley has injury history with declining metrics last year (blame the Giants if ya like). 352 touches in '22 and 288 touches last year (despite missing 3 games - injury). He's now 27 yo and ya have to wonder if can handle another 350+ touches and will he be healthy in those final weeks critical for fantasy? One certainty is Hurts will continue cannibalizing goal line work, which puts a hard cap on Barkley's value in my mind. The Rb is the riskiest position to invest in fantasy football, regardless of situation. But Barkley's early 2nd round (Rb 6) seems particularly risky - and without goal line work, the reward isn't what it could be. God bless drafters who make the leap of faith and it works out. I'm more risk-averse with my early draft capital. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 17, 2024 not huge on Deebo or Jefferson. Jefferson at 5 with a rookie QB seems too high even if he is the best WR in pro football. There is an awful lot of risk there and I dont like the idea of using a top 5 pick on a guy with that level of risk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, Ray_T said: not huge on Deebo or Jefferson. Jefferson at 5 with a rookie QB seems too high even if he is the best WR in pro football. There is an awful lot of risk there and I dont like the idea of using a top 5 pick on a guy with that level of risk Jefferson with Darnold/McCarthy... Wr 5 or higher does feel like a stretch. Not to mention the possibility of re-injuring the hamstring. Deebo finished 15th last year despite missing two games. Last year's finish was mainly because of 12 total Tds, as receptions and yardage weren't great. Tds aren't reliable, so I get the lower ADP at Wr 19. But coach Shanahan's penchant for offense and Deebo's sick metrics... (yac #9, juke rate #1, yds per route #12, etc...) Hard to imagine he finishes much lower than Wr 19. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 17, 2024 Ayiuk posted that the Niners don’t want him back, this could get interesting, might be moving D Samuel up in value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 17, 2024 22 minutes ago, weepaws said: Ayiuk posted that the Niners don’t want him back, this could get interesting, might be moving D Samuel up in value. this is just negotiating tactics. but if he threatens to sit out then yeah..... I figured they wouldnt be able to keep both him and Deebo for long. personally I'd rather keep him, but San Fran may feel different Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,587 Posted June 17, 2024 5 hours ago, GobbleDog said: The Eagles gave Barkley a 3-year deal with $26 mil guaranteed so he'll get volume. The o-line is an upgrade, there's no Rb competition, and maybe the new o-coordinator gets Hurts to throw more to Rbs than in recent years. Exactly. To compare this situation to the one in NY is insane. This team has actual talent and opportunity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 17, 2024 Alvin Kamara (RB 14) early 4th rd. About to turn 29 and father time has taken a toll. 180 carries last season... none broke 20 yds. Only two other Rbs didn't break 20 yards at least once with 75+ carries - K. Hunt, and J. Williams, both with significantly fewer carries. His longest run over the past three seasons (643 carries) was 30 yds in 2021. Ypc the past three years: 3.7, 4.0, 3.9 - type of stats that usually get Rbs cut. Last season Kamara had 12 runs inside the five, scored just 3 times. I could cite lots of metrics, but trust me - not good. Juke rate, evaded tackles, breakaway rate, yds per touch, etc. near the bottom of the league in most every category. He caught a whopping 75 receptions last year which is how he finished Rb11, but his yards per rec dropped to a career low - 6.2. Kamara's stats look like a Rb who's washed. It'd be surprising for the Saints to keep pouring water down that bottomless well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 17, 2024 2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: Exactly. To compare this situation to the one in NY is insane. This team has actual talent and opportunity. very true. it is rare that an RB on a losing team puts up numbers. it will happen from time to time, but the bottom line is you need the garbage time to bump you from being good to being elite. that garbage time comes when you are up 2 or more scores late in the game and your team just runs the ball like hell to kill the clock. sometimes the garbage time yards is greater than the yards in the rest of the game so it is a significant advantage. and when you have a better team overall, you are getting more short fields and more TD opportunities get delivered to you via the defense. advantages all around. I think Sequon has a very good year. maybe even a career best 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 17, 2024 I'll bump this thread and happily eat a big plate of crow if I turn out to be wrong about Barkley. Could happen - I was wrong once or twice in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 Barkley fits in with the Eagles much better than Swift. It was a good move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kcBlitzkrieg 29 Posted June 18, 2024 20 hours ago, GobbleDog said: Alvin Kamara (RB 14) early 4th rd. About to turn 29 and father time has taken a toll. 180 carries last season... none broke 20 yds. Only two other Rbs didn't break 20 yards at least once with 75+ carries - K. Hunt, and J. Williams, both with significantly fewer carries. His longest run over the past three seasons (643 carries) was 30 yds in 2021. Ypc the past three years: 3.7, 4.0, 3.9 - type of stats that usually get Rbs cut. Last season Kamara had 12 runs inside the five, scored just 3 times. I could cite lots of metrics, but trust me - not good. Juke rate, evaded tackles, breakaway rate, yds per touch, etc. near the bottom of the league in most every category. He caught a whopping 75 receptions last year which is how he finished Rb11, but his yards per rec dropped to a career low - 6.2. Kamara's stats look like a Rb who's washed. It'd be surprising for the Saints to keep pouring water down that bottomless well. So what you are saying is, you are a big fan of Kendre Miller in the RB4 / 10-12th rounds..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kcBlitzkrieg 29 Posted June 18, 2024 16 hours ago, weepaws said: Barkley fits in with the Eagles much better than Swift. It was a good move. I concur.... I have no issue going Saquon in the 2nd after an AJ or Sun God in the late 1st.... if you draft earlier then this is a slight step down from a Chase/Gibbs pairing..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kcBlitzkrieg 29 Posted June 18, 2024 P.S. No worry about Jefferson catching passes from Sammy D or JJ. He's my WR3..... its KOC that will make sure he gets the targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 22 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said: So what you are saying is, you are a big fan of Kendre Miller in the RB4 / 10-12th rounds..... Nice, yea thinking the same, not even sure how good Miller could be in nfl, he needs to remain healthy, Kamara should post very solid ff points once again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 16 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said: P.S. No worry about Jefferson catching passes from Sammy D or JJ. He's my WR3..... its KOC that will make sure he gets the targets. I would have no worries about Jefferson if i can draft him as my wr3. But not my wr1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 250 Posted June 18, 2024 2 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said: So what you are saying is, you are a big fan of Kendre Miller in the RB4 / 10-12th rounds..... Well, isn't J. Williams still there, too, to potentially vulture goal line carries? I think I'd avoid the Saints RBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 18, 2024 2 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said: So what you are saying is, you are a big fan of Kendre Miller in the RB4 / 10-12th rounds..... I do like Miller's adp and could be a worthwhile lottery pick. Nobody knows what to expect at this point in his young career, especially while sharing touches with Kamara, and playing for the boring Saints led by one of the most boring Qb's of all time - Carr. I certainly can't project Miller into top 20. But I bet he finishes with more rushing yards and rushing Tds than Kamara. I would say more total fantasy points, but for Kamara's damn ridiculous reception volume assuming the Saints keep going to that well for some pointless reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 18, 2024 21 hours ago, GobbleDog said: I was wrong once or twice in the past. we all are. some here are better at admitting to it than others haha but we all are human and we cant all be right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 4 minutes ago, Showboat said: Well, isn't J. Williams still there, too, to potentially vulture goal line carries? I think I'd avoid the Saints RBs. Hills job, Williams went from 17 rushing tds, to one with the Saints. He should not be on anyone’s wish list. I still like Kamara, for the price of a rb3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 18, 2024 23 hours ago, GobbleDog said: Alvin Kamara (RB 14) early 4th rd. About to turn 29 and father time has taken a toll. 180 carries last season... none broke 20 yds. Only two other Rbs didn't break 20 yards at least once with 75+ carries - K. Hunt, and J. Williams, both with significantly fewer carries. His longest run over the past three seasons (643 carries) was 30 yds in 2021. Ypc the past three years: 3.7, 4.0, 3.9 - type of stats that usually get Rbs cut. Last season Kamara had 12 runs inside the five, scored just 3 times. I could cite lots of metrics, but trust me - not good. Juke rate, evaded tackles, breakaway rate, yds per touch, etc. near the bottom of the league in most every category. He caught a whopping 75 receptions last year which is how he finished Rb11, but his yards per rec dropped to a career low - 6.2. Kamara's stats look like a Rb who's washed. It'd be surprising for the Saints to keep pouring water down that bottomless well. I think what keeps him on the field is his pass catching ability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 919 Posted June 18, 2024 59 minutes ago, Ray_T said: I think what keeps him on the field is his pass catching ability Certainly, though his ability is dwindling. Regardless - let me rant... How hard is it to catch a pass from a Qb 5 to 10 yards away? Sure, some are slightly better than others, but difficult to believe there's that big of difference - they're all elite athletes.?. It's not like they run particularly difficult routes. Obviously NFL coaches know better than me, but to this layman... Rb's "pass catching ability" always seemed a bit overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 728 Posted June 18, 2024 18 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: Certainly, though his ability is dwindling. Regardless - let me rant... How hard is it to catch a pass from a Qb 5 to 10 yards away? Sure, some are slightly better than others, but difficult to believe there's that big of difference - they're all elite athletes.?. It's not like they run particularly difficult routes. Obviously NFL coaches know better than me, but to this layman... Rb's "pass catching ability" always seemed a bit overrated. and Carr has a reputation for using his checkdown receivers when the play breaks down. so I was pretty sure Kamara was gonna be fine for PPR (and he was) but certainly some RB's are better than others for this. to be clear, Kamara was never an elite Runner. I'm pretty sure hes never had a 1000 yard season rushing the ball. but so many times hed get like 800 + yards rushing along with 500+ receiving along with huge numbers of catches which made him a PPR darling. but hes aged and to some degree after that whole beating incident in Vegas I dont think hes ever really been the same player. maybe it got into his head and affected him on the field. or maybe its something else but hes not been elite for a couple years now. its not just a this year thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 I think some rb catching ability is overrated, but some do it better than others. Kamara seems to be darn good at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,587 Posted June 18, 2024 3 minutes ago, weepaws said: I think some rb catching ability is overrated, but some do it better than others. Kamara seems to be darn good at it. Agree. Kamara is pretty safe but I do think that Kendre Miller gets way more involved this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 18, 2024 19 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Agree. Kamara is pretty safe but I do think that Kendre Miller gets way more involved this season. I think that’s the plan, Miller just needs to remain healthy, if he can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 250 Posted June 19, 2024 4 hours ago, weepaws said: Hills job, Williams went from 17 rushing tds, to one with the Saints. He should not be on anyone’s wish list. I still like Kamara, for the price of a rb3. I believe a lot of that was due to being injured last year and I don't think he ever got right. They are still paying him a lot of money for an RB. If he makes it out of training camp, I expect he will be used (if for no other reason, to try to justify what they are paying him), and most likely as a goaline specialist which (along with the presence of Hill) will limit the upside of both Kamara and Miller. I stand by my original assessment that it is a situation to avoid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted June 19, 2024 I would avoid J Williams, but not Kamara, and not Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites