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Might as well keep the trend going. Rankings per FantasyPros ppr:

1) Sam LaPorta played 17 games with 120 tar - 86 rec, 869 yds, and 10 Tds, finishing 1st (weeks 1-17). The former 2nd rounder out of Iowa had the greatest rookie Te season of all-time. The Lions threw 606 times with St. Brown and LaPorta accounting for a whopping 47% of those targets. Nothing much changed in Detroit and considering how efficient the offense was they'll almost certainly stick to the same game plan. LaPorta may have a slight softmore slump given how incredible he was, but overall the healthy 23 yo might be a slightly safer pick than Kelce.

2) Travis Kelce  played 15 games with 121 tar - 93 rec, 984 yds, and 5 Tds, finishing 2nd. Was 1st in '22 and 2nd in '21. The Td dip was unusual with the prior three years of 12, 9 and 11 Tds.  Sign of things to come or anomaly?  Kelce turns 35 soon but has been one of the most durable Te's during his 10-year career. KC did sign Wr Brown and drafted Wr Worthy with a 1st rounder, so it's unknown if they effect Kelce's target share, but a dramatic scheme shift seems unlikely. If it ain't broke...

3) Trey McBride played 17 games with 106 tar - 81 rec, 825 yds, and 3 Tds, finishing 8th. Was 42nd in '22 even though he only missed 1 game... just lacked rec and Tds. Clearly the lofty ranking is based on the theory that a healthy Kyler Murray improves the stats, which makes sense - based on the 8 games they played together last year, McBride's stats over 17 games projected to 112 rec, 1,143 yds and 4.3 Tds - impressive. However, it should be noted the offense had lots of injuries and McBride definitely benefited. Wr Brown is gone, replaced by 1st rounder Wr Harrison who's supposedly NFL-ready immediately and the Cards drafted Rb Benson with a 3rd rounder, so who knows how the offense is going to look. The Cards aren't projected to be very good, so maybe playing catch-up helps the passing game, but could hurt overall scoring.

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4) Mark Andrews played 10 games with 61 tar - 45 rec, 544 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 11th. Was 3rd in '22 and 1st in '21. During week 11 tore ankle ligament (grd 3) and broke fibula; Returned in late January playoffs getting 2 tar - 2 rec, 15 yds, and 0 Tds. Stats for 17 games projected to 77 rec, 925 yds and 10.2 Tds - a top 3 finish. Turns 29 in September and was fairly durable during his 6-year career until last season. Was Lamar Jackson's top target the past three years, until the injury led to rookie Flowers finishing with 108 targets. The Ravens signed Rb Henry and are expected to remain one of the more run-heavy teams. Didn't learn much from the one playoff game, so it's unclear if the injury has lingering effects or if he'll continue dominating target share now that Flowers has blossomed. punz

5) Dalton Kincaid played 16 games with 91 tar - 73 rec, 673 yds, and 2 Tds, finishing 12th. The former 1st round pick had a solid rookie season and likely overtook Dawson Knox as the lead Te. Knox was very productive in '21 (71 rec, 9 Tds) with the stats falling some in '22, and his least production in '23 - though missed 4 games. Bills lost Wr's Diggs - Davis, but signed Wr Samuel and drafted Wr Coleman 2nd rd. The ranking obviously assumes Kincaid will get many of those vacated targets and improves in year two. But there's a chance Knox isn't totally out of the picture yet. There's also Allen rushing so many Tds which can hurt both Rb and Te production as they typically score around the goal line. Qbs with high rushing Tds in recent years haven't typically had Te's scoring very often - Eagles Te's is a great example, Bills Te's last year, Bears Justin Fields in '22, I could go on, etc. Knox's 9 Tds in '21 is a bit of an anomaly. Ya might think Andrews bucks the trend, but statistically Jackson hasn't rushed for many Tds in recent years. On the flip side look at Kelce and LaPorta's Td stats with Qbs that almost never rush for Tds. Food for thought.

6) Evan Engram played 17 games with 143 tar - 114 rec, 963 yds, and 4 Tds, finishing 4th. Was 5th in '22, after spending four seasons floundering with the Giants. Engram's 143 targets ranked #1 among Te's (by wide margin) and 12th in the entire league. Incredible volume, but lacked Tds similar to '22 with 98 targets, but only 4 Tds. Engram had an average distance of target (adot) of just 5.0 yds, explaining his inefficient 8.4 yd/rec last year which was 2nd lowest among all Te's with 30+ receptions. Jags lost Calvin Ridley and signed Wr Gabe Davis, along with spending a 1st rounder on Wr Brian Thomas Jr. which could create target competition. Engram turns 30 soon and it's hard to imagine still improving at this point. Overall seems like a somewhat safe pick as Lawrence uses him as a safety blanket and should feed enough volume to keep him top 10 relevant. Just not sure about the upside as Engram doesn't seem to be overly-talented and isn't on a very high-scoring team which can vault him into the top 5 (short of insane volume like last year). Also worry coaches might start scheming differently considering the inefficient stats, and mediocre success all that volume amounted to in recent years.

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7) Kyle Pitts played 17 games with 90 tar - 53 rec, 667 yds, and 1 Td, finishing 14th. Was 31st in '22 (missed games), and 5th in '21 (rookie season). Falcons lost Te Smith (70 tar last year) and Qb Ridder, but signed Kurt Cousins (made Hockensen great). Most importantly, coach Arthur Smith and his run heavy / pass-hating schemes are gone, along with the former o-coordinator. After burning drafters for years, Pitts is now in the best situation he's ever had with a proven Qb, less Te competition, and pass-friendly offense. Everything points to a huge uptick. but Pitts has disappointed so often nothing would shock. I'm inclined to blame the previous situation and hope Pitts still has the elite talent that made him the highest drafted Te in NFL history.

8)) George Kittle played 16 games with 90 tar - 65 rec, 1,020 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 5th. Was 4th in '22, and 3rd in '21. Been very consistent in recent years and Shanahan has a penchant for spreading the ball to his four best targets nearly evenly - McCaff (83 tar), Deebo (89 tar), and Aiyuk (105 tar), fairly similar to '22 stats. Everyone worried Purdy's magical ride might fall off a cliff, but that hasn't panned out. Not much changed in San Fran, the only real concern is Kittle will soon be 31, but he's only missed a handful of games in recent years. Stats - remember Engram's ridiculous low yd/rec... Kittle had the highest of any Te with 15+ rec at 15.7; 4th highest yac per rec at 7.4; Finished #2 in ADOT. Certainly doesn't seem to be slowing down.

9) David Njoku played 16 games with 123 tar - 81 rec, 882 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 6th. Was 15th in '22 (missed games), and 22nd in '21. Njoku is coming off a career year, but there's a big problem here. Njoku got the vast majority of those stats with Joe Flacco at Qb (ya know, they guy who didn't have a job until the Colts signed him as backup last week). The six games Deshaun Watson was qb, Njoku averaged just 4.2 rec, 38 yds, and 0.2 Tds per game. Watson was equally bad in '21 and it's becoming apparent the man is mentally broke. Anyone drafting Njoku is either hoping for a miraculous Watson turnaround, or the Browns outright bench the highest paid player in the NFL. Neither seem very likely. And it's not like Njoku is an amazing young talent... he's about to turn 28 and has had a fairly forgettable career.

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10) Jake Ferguson played 17 games with 102 tar - 71 rec, 761 yds, and 5 Tds, finishing 9th. Was 46th in '22 (barely involved as rookie). The former 4th rd pick out of Big Wisky was solid last season and finished 2nd in targets far behind CeeDee, but surprisingly 21 targets more than #2 Wr Cooks. It wasn't like there were lots of Wr/Te injuries with no choice but to target to Ferguson - they were all healthy. He obviously earned the roll and the Cowboys were happy to keep him heavily involved. Cowboys lost Pollard (67 tar), but signed Zeke which seems like a wash. Not much else changed in Dallas with the same coach and o-coordinator. Seems like he should safely get another top 10 finish with potential for much higher as Te's often dramatically improve in their 3rd year and the Tds might inch up a bit as well.

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Awful Thread.  No te needs to be drafted in the single digit rounds.  Darn it.  

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1 minute ago, weepaws said:

Awful Thread.  No te needs to be drafted in the single digit rounds.  Darn it.  

I knew that was coming.  :thumbsup:

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14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ben Sinnott, just saying. 

Te 24) Ben Sinnott - Redskins 2nd rd pick out of Kansas St. Plays with 1st rd pick Qb Jayden Daniels.

I hear the kid is mega-talented... one of the best blockers coming out of college, and can break tackles for monster gains. Still, the situation doesn't look promising - rookie Te AND rookie Qb, on a rebuilding team, with new coach and coordinator... doesn't sound like a recipe for immediate success.

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25 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ben Sinnott, just saying. 

Later into the season, he’ll be a good streamer.  

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Just now, GobbleDog said:

24) Ben Sinnott

Criminally low. He'll be way closer to 10 than 24, that I'll guarantee. Have you seen this kid play, he's an animal. The draft capital says he's more than a blocker. 

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Yes, TE BEN SINNOTT WILL finish in the top 10 for TE's this year. Typically rookie TE's haven't done well their 1st year in the NFL but last years rookie sensation SAM LaPORTA is the exception. The position was kind of looked at as an additional blocker on the line with occasional complimentary catches during he season. This was the standard for quite a while in the NFL but all of that has changed.

  TE's have now became an integral part of a teams offense during the year. They're no longer looked at as just a player to block and fill out the 11 players on offense. They have carved out a niche for themselves that says HEY we CAN play good football and not just block. Sam LaPorta really caught fire last year but I don't think we'll see.that kind if production from any of the rookie TEs this year. BROCK BOWERS should lead all rookie TEs in production but may not get half the production LaPorta got last year.

   Now to the Commanders TE BEN SINNOTT. I think he's in a pretty good spot for him to make an impact on Washington's.offense this year. He's only got the aging Zach Ertz in front of him and even if Ertz stays healthy Sinnott will push Ertz out of the way as the season progresses. Don't want to nail.down numbers for him just yet but I feel strongly that he'll finish in the top 10 for TEs this year. I even say he's got a decent chance to have better production than highly touted Brock Bowers this year. It is good to finally have TE's get the credit they deserve.

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49 minutes ago, DocNiner said:

highly touted Brock Bowers

He's the one I thought everyone would be talking about. Scouting guru's can't say enough great things about him. The Raiders like him so much they used a 1st rd pick when he surprisingly fell to pick 13 due to all Qbs drafted... even though the Raiders previously spent a 2nd rd pick on Te Michael Mayer the year prior.

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On 6/18/2024 at 3:55 PM, GobbleDog said:

Te 24) Ben Sinnott - Redskins 2nd rd pick out of Kansas St. Plays with 1st rd pick Qb Jayden Daniels.

I hear the kid is mega-talented... one of the best blockers coming out of college, and can break tackles for monster gains. Still, the situation doesn't look promising - rookie Te AND rookie Qb, on a rebuilding team, with new coach and coordinator... doesn't sound like a recipe for immediate success.

no.  but hes a nice dynasty pickup.  and given this years deep draft at WR and QB you might be able to get him very late.   likely into round 3 if your rookie draft goes that deep

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I’d move up Kittle and Ferguson. Downgrade Kelce, Engram and Andrews

Freiermuth may be one to watch for back end of the top ten. No more Pickett

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7 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I’d move up Kittle and Ferguson. Downgrade Kelce, Engram and Andrews

Freiermuth may be one to watch for back end of the top ten. No more Pickett

I feel like Kmet doesn't get enough love. He's always solidly in that top 10 with crap QB play. If he and Williams hit it off then he can be a huge play. 

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11 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Freiermuth may be one to watch for back end of the top ten. No more Pickett

Go back and look at where Russel Wilson's Te's finished the past few years even in Seattle. Not the worst, not the best... a lot like Muth.

 

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Kincaid is the one to target if still on the board round 6 or later. Pitts still has the upside if he drops a little. Doesn't seem worth it to take one in the top 4 rounds... If you are looking for a free lotto ticket, Dulcich on Denver could be the Charlie to a Check-Down Nix...

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1 hour ago, jrokh said:

Kincaid is the one to target if still on the board round 6 or later. Pitts still has the upside if he drops a little.

80+ receptions for Kincaid looks like a given and possibly more. I worry about Tds with Allen running for so many, but not enough for me to fade him. I also like Pitts, Kittle and Ferguson. I'd be happy with any of them. For once, the Te position seems especially deep this year.

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first time in a while Kelce is not the clear tier 1 te.  a case could be made for about 4 players to finish as top te. then the waters become more muddy for the rest

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All this single digit round Te chat is making me want to 🤢

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8 minutes ago, weepaws said:

All this single digit round Te chat is making me want to 🤢

I like Freiermuth and Henry in the double digit rounds.

Like Kmet too but jeez there’s gonna be a lot of competition for targets.

Same with Schultz.

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Right now I don’t like any double digit round Te, but I’ll need to borrow one, for week one.   So when it’s time to draft one I’m sure I’ll do just fine for week one.  

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1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Right now I don’t like any double digit round Te, but I’ll need to borrow one, for week one.   So when it’s time to draft one I’m sure I’ll do just fine for week one.  

I'm in a couple TE premium leagues and it's slim pickings. I not really fond of the TE premium format, I'm probably done after this season. 

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I’ve been trying for years to get rid of a te slot, but I vote for everyone to vote for it, but most like having that te slot.  

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9 hours ago, weepaws said:

I’ve been trying for years to get rid of a te slot, but I vote for everyone to vote for it, but most like having that te slot.  

I don't mind one in PPR or standard scoring but TE Premium sucks. There's just not enough decent TEs. I'd much rather have 3 WR slots. 

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21 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't mind one in PPR or standard scoring but TE Premium sucks. There's just not enough decent TEs. I'd much rather have 3 WR slots. 

My money leagues the TE count as WR. We have 3 WR spots for WR/TE. It is very competitive, I like that the TE/K/D/ST positions aren't over powered. The leagues are balanced and it is .5 points per receptions. It was 1 point per reception; but that was making the WR/TE position too hard to predict. Those leagues also start 2 QB per team. I will check my scoring rules before the drafts again; because it is good to be aware of the rules.

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5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't mind one in PPR or standard scoring but TE Premium sucks. There's just not enough decent TEs. I'd much rather have 3 WR slots. 

I would rather have an extra flex in place of a te only slot.  

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18 hours ago, weepaws said:

Right now I don’t like any double digit round Te, but I’ll need to borrow one, for week one.   So when it’s time to draft one I’m sure I’ll do just fine for week one.  

So you don’t want to talk about single digit round TEs but also have nothing to offer on later-round options?

Thanks.

God bless.

Amen

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26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

So you don’t want to talk about single digit round TEs but also have nothing to offer on later-round options?

Thanks.

God bless.

Amen

a majority of his leagues have been non-ppr or .5, which definitely diminishes te value. i am not sure if he has done any analysis on wr/te in 1 ppr nor 1.5 ppr for te.  if he had, he would know that for many years kelce put up top wr numbers. and other te leaders also challenged wr numbers, making them relevant to be drafted in the 1st round. 

 

as i do not play in non-ppr/.5 ppr, many time i read what he has to say but rarely put it into practice.

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ie: in 22, Kelce had 307 in 1 ppr, which would have made him wr #4

last year Kelce still led te in ppg, but had a huge dip he was at 220 (with missing 1 game), la porta was at 225, hock was also at 220

this dropped those top three to approx 20th wr in pts and ppg.

 

in 1.5 ppr, in 23 the top 4 te would have been around wr #8-9...outperforming diggs, chase, aiyuk, etc... so numbers are much better in previous 7 years

 

this was atypical over the past 7 or so years.  so now we have to contemplate if it is a one off or an actual trend.

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25 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

ie: in 22, Kelce had 307 in 1 ppr, which would have made him wr #4

last year Kelce still led te in ppg, but had a huge dip he was at 220 (with missing 1 game), la porta was at 225, hock was also at 220

this dropped those top three to approx 20th wr in pts and ppg.

 

in 1.5 ppr, in 23 the top 4 te would have been around wr #8-9...outperforming diggs, chase, aiyuk, etc... so numbers are much better in previous 7 years

 

this was atypical over the past 7 or so years.  so now we have to contemplate if it is a one off or an actual trend.

Basically the question is, is Kelce still elite such that he’s as good as a WR1, or if not, can someone else, such as LaPorts replace him?

Right?

If that’s the question, I think the answer is no and imo no TE is worth an early round pick this year.

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35 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

 

 

this was atypical over the past 7 or so years.  so now we have to contemplate if it is a one off or an actual trend.

 

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Basically the question is, is Kelce still elite such that he’s as good as a WR1, or if not, can someone else, such as LaPorts replace him?

Right?

If that’s the question, I think the answer is no and imo no TE is worth an early round pick this year.

I personally think that he is still a top te, but eye test tells me he will not be 100 points better than the next te as he has been for years.  he will be part of the pack again this year. I do think he sees high targets as KC tries to resolve their WR situation,

I think those four will have similar (maybe a touch higher) than last season

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

So you don’t want to talk about single digit round TEs but also have nothing to offer on later-round options?

Thanks.

God bless.

Amen

I did both, how else can I help you? 

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7 hours ago, RareN64Dream said:

My money leagues the TE count as WR. We have 3 WR spots for WR/TE. It is very competitive, I like that the TE/K/D/ST positions aren't over powered. The leagues are balanced and it is .5 points per receptions. It was 1 point per reception; but that was making the WR/TE position too hard to predict. Those leagues also start 2 QB per team. I will check my scoring rules before the drafts again; because it is good to be aware of the rules.

I would rather have a flex for a te, not a te only slot.  Like that.  Thanks. 

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3 hours ago, weepaws said:

I would rather have an extra flex in place of a te only slot.  

Agree. 

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

is Kelce still elite such that he’s as good as a WR1, or if not, can someone else, such as LaPorts replace him?

Right?

Not sure but the age does worry me enough to avoid him early. He disappeared for a good portion of the season last year then heated up late. 

For me he'd have to fall pretty far. 

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reading through a lot of these replies, I can only laugh as FF continues to trend toward "I dont want to have to start _____, we should have another flex!"  I hate to even be a tad political, maybe I've been at the geek club too long, but it's also funny that a few of the super conservative posters have these highly liberal FF feelings. :lol:

 

as for the tight ends, Kincaid is high on my radar... but that is a popular choice.  I think Pitts is being somewhat overlooked. it's been 2 straight disappointing years but I think the talent is there such that a new regime and proven QB can get him back to top 5 TE status. 

Njoku worries me with Watson back. 

 

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On 6/24/2024 at 12:05 PM, IGotWorms said:

Basically the question is, is Kelce still elite such that he’s as good as a WR1, or if not, can someone else, such as LaPorts replace him?

Right?

If that’s the question, I think the answer is no and imo no TE is worth an early round pick this year.

Kelce is a player who, at this point people are paying for the name.   at his best he was as good as a WR1.   when I had him on my team he gave me a 5-7 point advantage every week (sometimes more).    but hes not that player anymore.    stats were good last year, but when watching him play, hes just not the same.  I think they peppered him with targets because there wasnt enough good alternatives.    but hes another year older and the team has more options this year.    I personally am avoiding him at his ADP now.   There are better options. Laporta being one of them

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1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

Kelce is a player who, at this point people are paying for the name.   at his best he was as good as a WR1.   when I had him on my team he gave me a 5-7 point advantage every week (sometimes more).    but hes not that player anymore.    stats were good last year, but when watching him play, hes just not the same.  I think they peppered him with targets because there wasnt enough good alternatives.    but hes another year older and the team has more options this year.    I personally am avoiding him at his ADP now.   There are better options. Laporta being one of them

Agreed.

There is some chance that Brown and Worthy effectively stretch the field opening things up a bit more for kelce underneath. Mahomes has said that is the plan.

But even so, I think the days of his being a transformational fantasy TE are over. It would be more reasonable to hope for a small improvement over his stats last year, but even that you certainly have to weigh against the fact that he’s another year older and has appeared to slow down a bit.

I actually have him as TE5 this year, which may be too harsh, but the point is there’s no way I’m drafting him in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Or any other TE for that matter.

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Agreed.

There is some chance that Brown and Worthy effectively stretch the field opening things up a bit more for kelce underneath. Mahomes has said that is the plan.

But even so, I think the days of his being a transformational fantasy TE are over. It would be more reasonable to hope for a small improvement over his stats last year, but even that you certainly have to weigh against the fact that he’s another year older and has appeared to slow down a bit.

I actually have him as TE5 this year, which may be too harsh, but the point is there’s no way I’m drafting him in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Or any other TE for that matter.

I think thats pretty close to where I will likely  rank him too (give or take a slot)

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He has always been drafted to early. 

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On 6/19/2024 at 12:37 PM, DocNiner said:

BROCK BOWERS should lead all rookie TEs in production

When Bowers went to Georgia in '21 as a true freshman, the team was loaded with NFL-grade players like George Pickens, Lad McConkey, Jermain Burton, Adonai Mitchell, James Cook, Darnell Washington... Bowers pushed all those guys aside and went on to lead the team in receptions/yards. Did it again in '22. Did it again in '23... despite missing two games with a grade 3 ankle sprain which caused him to return at less than full strength.

Georgia would also do different stuff like bring him in the backfield... finished with 19 carries over his three seasons - which turned into 193 rushing yards and 5 Tds. Georgia coach Kirby Smart once said "if they'd shifted Bowers to Rb, he probably would've been the best Rb they had" - mind you they had James Cook and Zamir White.

Scouting guru:  It's just incredible - his vision, agility and speed to take it to the house. He's a tackle-breaking machine, even better than Senate and LaPorta. People think ya have to call him a Te just with the position designation, so in their heads they start to think of Kyle Pitts. But it's different with Kyle Pitts who's the big guy that you send down the seam and that was the utility. That's dependent on other players on the field. Brock Bowers is dependent on nobody else. He's idiot proof. I heard people saying "Oh, Raiders o-coordinator is a dope." Doesn't matter. He's going to make that guy look smart and he's gonna make Gardner Minshew look like a better quarterback, because all you have to do is just shuttle the ball off to Bower short. He will take care of the rest, just like he did throughout his career, from the day he stepped foot onto those colossus Georgia teams in the middle of their dynasty.

I'm getting horny  :ninja:

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On 6/28/2024 at 11:26 AM, Ray_T said:

Kelce is a player who, at this point people are paying for the name.   at his best he was as good as a WR1.   when I had him on my team he gave me a 5-7 point advantage every week (sometimes more).    but hes not that player anymore.    stats were good last year, but when watching him play, hes just not the same.  I think they peppered him with targets because there wasnt enough good alternatives.    but hes another year older and the team has more options this year.    I personally am avoiding him at his ADP now.   There are better options. Laporta being one of them

 

Accurate assessment ☝️

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