STEM vs STEAM

[nobody 2,564]

We had a good thing going there for awhile with STEM - Science, technology, engineering and math.

We recognized that we were falling behind in the most important subjects so we decided to focus on them.

Of course the libs can't have that so they have to change it to STEAM by adding arts to to the initiative.  Now just like in real life, we have to suck the resources away from the stuff that matters to support people sitting around drawing shìt.

[weepaws 3,155]

Dummying down America is something the government wants to do.  

[jonmx 2,424]

Leftists can turn anything into a steaming pile of crap.

[seafoam1 2,799]

18 minutes ago, nobody said:

We had a good thing going there for awhile with STEM - Science, tach ology, engineering and math.

We recognized that we were falling behind in the most important subjects so we decided to focus on them.

Of course the libs can't have that so they have to change it to STEAM by adding arts to to the initiative.  Now just like in real life, we have to suck the resources away from the stuff that matters to support people sitting around drawing shìt.

Do you fill parts of your life with entertainment? Reading books with illustrations, watch movies, enjoy comics, cartoons, going to the theater? Is artistic value not a big part of architecture, out of the box thinking, home design, furniture design, TV show creation? 

Is creativity not a part of landscaping, and also influencing things like software design, logical flow of anything it touches? 

Are you really this slow? Those countries that are NOT "falling behind" in those other areas, are NOT ignoring the arts. 

Find something else to blame. I think you know what it is in reality. 

 

[OldMaid 2,129]

Did peefoam just say something smart?

[nobody 2,564]

I knew the dummies would come in talking about "muh drawrngs!!!!"

 

[Strike 5,186]

19 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Did peefoam just say something smart?

No he didn't.

[nobody 2,564]

Cavemen learned to draw.  Millennia later we figured out how to do math.  Pretty sure people can figure out how to draw without special focus on it.

Second, science and math drive industry.  Not art.  

Try not to be so dumb next time, seafoam and old maid.

[OldMaid 2,129]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

Cavemen learned to draw.  Millennia later we figured out how to do math.  Pretty sure people can figure out how to draw without special focus on it.

Second, science and math drive industry.  Not art.  

Try not to be so dumb next time, seafoam and old maid.

Hey, is the oxygen a little thin way up there?

[easilyscan 860]

21 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pretty sure people can figure out how to draw without special focus on it.

A-I

[seafoam1 2,799]

44 minutes ago, Strike said:

No he didn't.

Tell me the leading countries in all these "important" areas and show me they neglect the arts. You can't. Because it would be illogical for them to do that. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

49 minutes ago, nobody said:

Cavemen learned to draw.  Millennia later we figured out how to do math.  Pretty sure people can figure out how to draw without special focus on it.

Second, science and math drive industry.  Not art.  

Try not to be so dumb next time, seafoam and old maid.

"Art doesn't drive industry." Holy hell ...  

[OldMaid 2,129]

https://mindthegraph.com/blog/what-is-the-relationship-between-art-and-science/#:~:text=Art draws inspiration from scientific,details and understand the world.

[seafoam1 2,799]

 

The seeds of modern AI were planted by philosophers who attempted to describe the process of human thinking as the mechanical manipulation of symbols. This work culminated in the invention of the programmable digital computer in the 1940s, a machine based on the abstract essence of mathematical reasoning.

The ABSTRACT of "science" is called 'art' It is displayed on paper in writings, in businesses in approaches and product and service offerings, it is displayed on depictions of current events in courtrooms, it is in films for entertainment and educational purposes, it is used in training exercises like they use at NASA, it is used in modeling future event outcomes, it is used in arts that are very technical physically for desired outcomes, it is integrated hand in hand with all things life, except for meat head dopes who have no clue of what the hell they are rambling on about. Just like the OP of this thread. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

And the arts include abstract or simply new human  thought more than anything. 

The Art of War (Chinese: 孫子兵法; pinyin: Sūnzǐ bīngfǎ; lit. 'Sun Tzu's Military Method') is an ancient Chinese military treatise dating from the late Spring and Autumn period (roughly 5th century BC). The work, which is attributed to the ancient Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu ("Master Sun"), is composed of 13 chapters. Each one is devoted to a different set of skills or art related to warfare and how it applies to military strategy and tactics. For almost 1,500 years, it was the lead text in an anthology that was formalized as the Seven Military Classics by Emperor Shenzong of Song in 1080. The Art of War remains the most influential strategy text in East Asian warfare,^[1] has influenced both East Asian and Western military theory and thinking, and has found a variety of applications in myriad competitive non-military endeavors across the modern world including espionage,^[2] culture, politics, business, and sports

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

Did peefoam just say something smart?

He said something that is correct and acceptable but not sure it applies to the topic. 
isn’t stem just a push to focus on science tech engineering and math because they share many of the same principles? Does it mean we forget about economics, arts, social sciences, etc? Idk I’m not an educator 

I never thought so but it doesn’t surprise me that those who want to force “ inclusion” where it’s not even needed would be trying to do so. 

[Strike 5,186]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

He said something that is correct and acceptable but not sure it applies to the topic. 
isn’t stem just a push to focus on science tech engineering and math? Does it mean we forget about economics, arts, etc?

I never thought so but it doesn’t surprise me that those who want to force “ inclusion” where it’s not even needed would be trying to do so. 

You have it exactly right.  STEM NEVER meant excluding the Arts.  STEM refers to ones primary field of study, their "major" if you will.  You still have GE requirements to get a degree and that's where the Arts should be.  I bet Jerry took GE classes at MIT. 

[OldMaid 2,129]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

He said something that is correct and acceptable but not sure it applies to the topic. 
isn’t stem just a push to focus on science tech engineering and math? Does it mean we forget about economics, arts, etc?

I never thought so but it doesn’t surprise me that those who want to force “ inclusion” where it’s not even needed would be trying to do so. 

I just went back and reread nobody’s first response. It does indeed look like I implied something in my interpretation that wasn’t intended.

My bad. I jumped to a conclusion that I shouldn’t have.

[seafoam1 2,799]

And now a bunch of people who can't read well. 

Great thread. 

[nobody 2,564]

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

And the arts include abstract or simply new human  thought more than anything. 

The Art of War (Chinese: 孫子兵法; pinyin: Sūnzǐ bīngfǎ; lit. 'Sun Tzu's Military Method') is an ancient Chinese military treatise dating from the late Spring and Autumn period (roughly 5th century BC). The work, which is attributed to the ancient Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu ("Master Sun"), is composed of 13 chapters. Each one is devoted to a different set of skills or art related to warfare and how it applies to military strategy and tactics. For almost 1,500 years, it was the lead text in an anthology that was formalized as the Seven Military Classics by Emperor Shenzong of Song in 1080. The Art of War remains the most influential strategy text in East Asian warfare,^[1] has influenced both East Asian and Western military theory and thinking, and has found a variety of applications in myriad competitive non-military endeavors across the modern world including espionage,^[2] culture, politics, business, and sports

 

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 

The seeds of modern AI were planted by philosophers who attempted to describe the process of human thinking as the mechanical manipulation of symbols. This work culminated in the invention of the programmable digital computer in the 1940s, a machine based on the abstract essence of mathematical reasoning.

The ABSTRACT of "science" is called 'art' It is displayed on paper in writings, in businesses in approaches and product and service offerings, it is displayed on depictions of current events in courtrooms, it is in films for entertainment and educational purposes, it is used in training exercises like they use at NASA, it is used in modeling future event outcomes, it is used in arts that are very technical physically for desired outcomes, it is integrated hand in hand with all things life, except for meat head dopes who have no clue of what the hell they are rambling on about. Just like the OP of this thread. 

seafoam did some google searches looking for how art is important and the best he could come up with.  Damn, bro.  maybe you should use that art degree, and rip out those crayons and draw something for your mom's fridge.

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

 

seafoam did some google searches looking for how art is important and the best he could come up with.  Damn, bro.  maybe you should use that art degree, and rip out those crayons and draw something for your mom's fridge.

'Nobody' is an idiot. Old news. 

[frank 2,276]

Give me steam. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Why does my Kid need to learn Art??? 

Liberals love shoving their Gay hobbies up kids assses.  

[jerryskids 6,564]

19 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

He said something that is correct and acceptable but not sure it applies to the topic. 
isn’t stem just a push to focus on science tech engineering and math because they share many of the same principles? Does it mean we forget about economics, arts, social sciences, etc? Idk I’m not an educator 

I never thought so but it doesn’t surprise me that those who want to force “ inclusion” where it’s not even needed would be trying to do so. 

 

19 hours ago, Strike said:

You have it exactly right.  STEM NEVER meant excluding the Arts.  STEM refers to ones primary field of study, their "major" if you will.  You still have GE requirements to get a degree and that's where the Arts should be.  I bet Jerry took GE classes at MIT. 

Good posts.  Yes, we were required to take 8 humanities classes, or basically 1 per semester.  I was fortunate that I got credit for two or three of them for college classes I took in HS.  I focused on music, since I did music performance in HS (trumpet).  Basic piano, composition, one other.

I also placed out of English.  Before freshman year you could take a test to place out of English.  Basically, write an essay on a topic.  Intro paragraph, three body paragraphs, conclusion paragraph, walla!

In recent years the Humanities, Arts, and Social Science department at MIT has become a shiot show, but I'll skip those details for now.