Mass Deportation

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Not particularly. I didn’t bring this up. You want to talk about this guy go ahead. He was deported by accident to the wrong place. He’s back now so deport him to the “right” place. 

You all brought this up because you want to avoid talking about this shift in policy to look the other way because some lobbyists asked Don too.

I didn't bring it up.  I only responded to you because you LIED about his legal status. I'll bow out now that I know you're just a troll spewing talking points

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Just now, Strike said:

I didn't bring it up.  I only responded to you because you LIED about his legal status. I'll bow out now that I know you're just a troll spewing talking points

Let’s get into this guy. Why was he brought back?

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A million illegals have self deported. Winning. 

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Violent MAGAs are the ones we should be deporting. They are anti-American and detrimental to our great democracy. #nokings.

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56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A million illegals have self deported. Winning. 

Yep.  Was just coming here to post this.  The third piece of immigration enforcement after securing the border and deportation is self deportation, and it's working:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/15/opinion/nearly-1-million-illegal-immigrants-have-self-deported-under-trump-which-has-led-to-higher-wages/

Wages are up as a result and, not mentioned in the article above, most new jobs created under Biden went to foreign born workers while most new jobs that have been created under Trump have gone to U.S. Citizens.  

WINNING!!!

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8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yep.  Was just coming here to post this.  The third piece of immigration enforcement after securing the border and deportation is self deportation, and it's working:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/15/opinion/nearly-1-million-illegal-immigrants-have-self-deported-under-trump-which-has-led-to-higher-wages/

Wages are up as a result and, not mentioned in the article above, most new jobs created under Biden went to foreign born workers while most new jobs that have been created under Trump have gone to U.S. Citizens.  

WINNING!!!

It’s not winning because none of it is true. 

The Center for Immigration Studies is a white nationalist group, like its parent, FAIR. These are racists with the goal of eliminating all non-European immigration to this country. Everything they put out is either an absolute lie or otherwise misleading. In this case it’s likely both. 

[The Real timschochet 6,701]

And if it WAS true that would be even worse. I don’t want hard working people to self deport. Why would anyone want this, unless you are yourself a racist? If these people leave our prices go up and we become poorer as a nation. There would be no good result here. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not winning because none of it is true. 

The Center for Immigration Studies is a white nationalist group, like its parent, FAIR. These are racists with the goal of eliminating all non-European immigration to this country. Everything they put out is either an absolute lie or otherwise misleading. In this case it’s likely both. 

As usual you're wrong.  Expected.

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And if it WAS true that would be even worse. I don’t want hard working people to self deport. Why would anyone want this, unless you are yourself a racist? If these people leave our prices go up and we become poorer as a nation. There would be no good result here. 

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19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And if it WAS true that would be even worse. I don’t want hard working people to self deport. Why would anyone want this, unless you are yourself a racist? If these people leave our prices go up and we become poorer as a nation. There would be no good result here. 

The go to move of the Liberal, and the discussion killer.

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3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I put two and two together

I love that one of the major lobbyists for farming is named “Zippy”

so this: "He is stopping raids at certain places because the donors complained" is your opinion & not backed up by your submitted link.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

The go to move of the Liberal, and the discussion killer.

their favorite fall back maneuver.          "racist".

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3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

so this: "He is stopping raids at certain places because the donors complained" is your opinion & not backed up by your submitted link.

What do you think Zippy talked about that got Donald to pause the raids where the illegals are working?

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1 minute ago, shadrap said:

their favorite fall back maneuver.          "racist".

Yeah, and when Tim wants to be more "subtle" he uses the word Xenophobe to call you a racist.  

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And if it WAS true that would be even worse. I don’t want hard working people to self deport. Why would anyone want this, unless you are yourself a racist? If these people leave our prices go up and we become poorer as a nation. There would be no good result here. 

Being a criminal is not confined to a race, your suggestion along these lines tells us more about your racism than ours. 

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13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Being a criminal is not confined to a race, your suggestion along these lines tells us more about your racism than ours. 

My remark about racism wasn’t a comment, it was a question. Let’s put aside your use of the word “criminal”. You and I agree that actual criminals shouldn’t be here. But undocumented people who haven’t committed violent felonies, who work in our agriculture and service industries and restaurants and car washes: do you regard these as criminals as well? If you do, fine, we’ll just disagree and there’s nothing more to be said. But if you don’t regard them as criminals then what is to be gained by their being deported? 

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My remark about racism wasn’t a comment

You may not want to hear or believe it but you're definitely a racist. You are not the voice of the Black people, Mexicans or any other race. You're a privileged White American, you don't have the right. 

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So, at the Omaha meatpacking plant ICE raided and nabbed 70 someodd illegals the other day, their waiting area was full of people applying for the now open jobs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/city-nebraska-recovering-states-largest-100042406.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYnJlaXRiYXJ0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJkOCHAglTvD4QBykgoPsjW8vGKN5oe5SdsGXtzMcHWl4pPsLD9C70Fq7IVEF8dXF7h77sCKXgtRXI2JiueaTa2nncZNmY9r0HMuOFSYwaMbsqPy6owQCY0YxfGsN33VyLaiVbtRc-fj-tnvodWe2cTuievzx_imcl2ltjVytx7K

What a surprise!!!!!   I thought only illegals would do this work?

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

So, at the Omaha meatpacking plant ICE raided and nabbed 70 someodd illegals the other day, their waiting area was full of people applying for the now open jobs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/city-nebraska-recovering-states-largest-100042406.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYnJlaXRiYXJ0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJkOCHAglTvD4QBykgoPsjW8vGKN5oe5SdsGXtzMcHWl4pPsLD9C70Fq7IVEF8dXF7h77sCKXgtRXI2JiueaTa2nncZNmY9r0HMuOFSYwaMbsqPy6owQCY0YxfGsN33VyLaiVbtRc-fj-tnvodWe2cTuievzx_imcl2ltjVytx7K

What a surprise!!!!!   I thought only illegals would do this work?

That's easy to make and good meat for making Philly Cheesesteaks. https://garysquicksteak.com/

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

What do you think Zippy talked about that got Donald to pause the raids where the illegals are working?

not sure.  just pointing out the link you provided supposedly supporting your statement, did not support your statement.  

 

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7 minutes ago, shadrap said:

not sure.  just pointing out the link you provided supposedly supporting your statement, did not support your statement.  

This is a quote from DJT before he directed raids at these places to be paused:

“Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace”.

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is a quote from DJT before he directed raids at these places to be paused:

“Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace”.

you want that to extrapolate to donors have at it, but that is not what it says.

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4 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Anyone that's not at least 3 generations European descent should be deported.

Define european.  Do Italians count?  How about Spaniards or the Irish?

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

My remark about racism wasn’t a comment, it was a question. Let’s put aside your use of the word “criminal”. You and I agree that actual criminals shouldn’t be here. But undocumented people who haven’t committed violent felonies, who work in our agriculture and service industries and restaurants and car washes: do you regard these as criminals as well? If you do, fine, we’ll just disagree and there’s nothing more to be said. But if you don’t regard them as criminals then what is to be gained by their being deported? 

What about nonviolent felonies?  What about violent misdemeanors?  Waht about violent felonies which are pleaded down to violent misdemeanors?  What about crimes of moral turpitude?

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29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Define european.  Do Italians count?  How about Spaniards or the Irish?

They all count. I was being facetious anyway.

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Mexicans  

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30 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Define european.  Do Italians count?  How about Spaniards or the Irish?

If they work in hotels, restaurants, or meat processing* they are good.

 

 

 

 

*The foregoing list of impacted industries shall not be construed as comprehensive or all-inclusive. The undersigned expressly reserves the right to modify, amend, supplement, or otherwise revise this list, in whole or in part, at any time and without prior notice or obligation.

 

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Decent resource on Crimes of Moral Turpitude.

 

STATUTE

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47 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

What about nonviolent felonies?  What about violent misdemeanors?  Waht about violent felonies which are pleaded down to violent misdemeanors?  What about crimes of moral turpitude?

I think you’re being a little facetious here. In the past I have encountered many in the MAGA movement who refuse to make any distinctions at all. There are several people here who have argued that if a person breaks the law coming here they are a criminal, and they don’t distinguish between violent rapists and some guy looking for work at Home Depot. Tom Homan seems to believe this. I do not. 

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27 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If they work in hotels, restaurants, or meat processing* they are good.

 

oh boy. 

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1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

  What about crimes of moral turpitude?

STFU, Beulah  

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This idiot Tim and the rest of these morons comparing the European immigrants to today’s. When the ones form Europe were coming here en masse the country was mostly woods. Please, STFU with your idiotic takes on history to fit your agenda. Kids barely went to school back then and no one was getting food and a lawyer. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This idiot Tim and the rest of these morons comparing the European immigrants to today’s. When the ones form Europe were coming here en masse the country was mostly woods. Please, STFU with your idiotic takes on history to fit your agenda. Kids barely went to school back then and no one was getting food and a lawyer. 

I’m sorry but what you wrote betrays a complete ignorance of history. Almost none of the immigrants who came here at the turn of the 20th century, from Eastern and central Europe, Italy, China, Japan, etc. settled in “the woods”; they huddled in the big cities: New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc. These were Emma Lazarus’ “huddled masses”. Their presence created overcrowding, ghettoes, crime, and they were complained about then as much as our immigrants are now, if not more so. Public education was mandatory by then. 
There are plenty of books about this. You needn’t stay ignorant. 

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m sorry but what you wrote betrays a complete ignorance of history. Almost none of the immigrants who came here at the turn of the 20th century, from Eastern and central Europe, Italy, China, Japan, etc. settled in “the woods”; they huddled in the big cities: New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc. These were Emma Lazarus’ “huddled masses”. Their presence created overcrowding, ghettoes, crime, and they were complained about then as much as our immigrants are now, if not more so. Public education was mandatory by then. 
There are plenty of books about this. You needn’t stay ignorant. 

I didn’t say they settled in the woods you idiot. Woods As in the country was young. Yeah, those immigrant kids went to school until they could be put to work. Mandatory.  You know nothing. 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think you’re being a little facetious here. In the past I have encountered many in the MAGA movement who refuse to make any distinctions at all. There are several people here who have argued that if a person breaks the law coming here they are a criminal, and they don’t distinguish between violent rapists and some guy looking for work at Home Depot. Tom Homan seems to believe this. I do not. 

I was not being in the least facetious.  I don't think you know what you mean when you say violent felonies and i don't think you have thought through what are nonviolent felonies and what are crimes of moral turpitude.  For instance what if an illegal is guilty of kidnapping or false imprisonment?  They can be non-violent by some definitions and not by others.  What about stautory rape, say the roman Polanski scenario.  Nonviolent yet clearly a crime of moral turpitude and most of us, maybe not all but most would want that person prosecuted and deported.  Frankly I suspect your thoughts on this matter are so rudimentary and unconsidered as to be essentially meaingless.  I don't think you know yet what you mean other than you want to serve the platitude of violent felons and then get what you want otherwise which is essentially a country without borders.  I don't think it is too much to ask you to define what you mean when you make a statement so open to interpretation.

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3 hours ago, SUXBNME said:

STFU, Beulah  

I apologize if raising a matter clearly needing consideration by Tim when he states his position may have angered you to whom the question was not addressed.  You must have very big feelings for me to have hit them as I aimed, quite narrowly, for Tim.

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As a former prosecutor I had to consider at least 1000 times the ramifications of plea deals as to how those would effect immigration status.  Taht is why I raised the subject of moral turpitude and violent misdemeanors.  That is why I am familar with the table I linked above.  I thought it would provide a more indepth understanding of issuesd.  Doing so is probably not as fulfilling as name calling back and forth but I thought there may be room for it in the discussion nonetheless.  

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23 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I was not being in the least facetious.  I don't think you know what you mean when you say violent felonies and i don't think you have thought through what are nonviolent felonies and what are crimes of moral turpitude.  For instance what if an illegal is guilty of kidnapping or false imprisonment?  They can be non-violent by some definitions and not by others.  What about stautory rape, say the roman Polanski scenario.  Nonviolent yet clearly a crime of moral turpitude and most of us, maybe not all but most would want that person prosecuted and deported.  Frankly I suspect your thoughts on this matter are so rudimentary and unconsidered as to be essentially meaingless.  I don't think you know yet what you mean other than you want to serve the platitude of violent felons and then get what you want otherwise which is essentially a country without borders.  I don't think it is too much to ask you to define what you mean when you make a statement so open to interpretation.

Fair enough. Let’s simplify this. I don’t really want to get bogged down into a discussion of what is or what is not a “serious crime.” To paraphrase a late Supreme Court justice, I know it when ai see it. I don’t believe undocumented immigrants who are not guilty of serious crimes should be deported. That does not make us a country without borders. I am not in favor of that. I am, however, in favor of much more open immigration, but that is besides the point of what to do with the millions of undocumented people already here. Most of them are not serious criminals. Therefore I believe most of them should stay. 

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Tom Homan said 700,000 of an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants are violent criminals.

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37 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Tom Homan said 700,000 of an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants are violent criminals.

Then deport them. And let the rest find a way to stay. Does anyone oppose this idea?