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[RLLD 4,143]

12 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Can Donald Trump or any politician be trusted either?  So who do we Trust?

We trust those who can deliver outcomes that benefit us.  But all these election activities should be taken with a grain of salt.  So for this cycle we have a candidate in Trump who delivered a solid economy, solid foreign policy, worked tirelessly against Democrats to do everything he could to protect our borders....these are things that benefit us.....conversely in his opponent we have someone who participated in the abject failure in all those areas....and told us she would not change a thing.....

[TimHauck 2,615]

29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You can read through the thread and tell me. 

@F1erce definitely did

[purdygood 334]

Just now, RLLD said:

We trust those who can deliver outcomes that benefit us.  But all these election activities should be taken with a grain of salt.  So for this cycle we have a candidate in Trump who delivered a solid economy, solid foreign policy, worked tirelessly against Democrats to do everything he could to protect our borders....these are things that benefit us.....conversely in his opponent we have someone who participated in the abject failure in all those areas....and told us she would not change a thing.....

Fair enough.  I just don't Trust that man and can not in good conscious vote for him.  If the Republicans had any spine and nominated ANYONE other than him. They would have my vote.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Fair enough.  I just don't Trust that man and can not in good conscious vote for him.  If the Republicans had any spine and nominated ANYONE other than him. They would have my vote.

Why? What did he do the first time that was so bad? 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Fair enough.  I just don't Trust that man and can not in good conscious vote for him.  If the Republicans had any spine and nominated ANYONE other than him. They would have my vote.

I think you are doing it the right way.  I may disagree with you on reasoning, but I think you simply have to vote for your reasons and no one elses. 

[purdygood 334]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why? What did he do the first time that was so bad? 

It's everything he has done over his entire lifetime.  He is a bad person.  And you don't remember the daily stupidity and chaos the last time he was President? Why are we, as a smart "Great" nation rewarding this doofus as our leader?  Really, there is no one more fit than a 78 year old lying, con man to run the country?  If you want to vote for him, cool. It's your vote.  I just can't.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

It's everything he has done over his entire lifetime.  He is a bad person.  And you don't remember the daily stupidity and chaos the last time he was President? Why are we, as a smart "Great" nation rewarding this doofus as our leader?  Really, there is no one more fit than a 78 year old lying, con man to run the country?  If you want to vote for him, cool. It's your vote.  I just can't.

The chaos that I remember came from the left.  

[thegeneral 2,899]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why? What did he do the first time that was so bad? 

The idea that this halfwit could get another SC judge should be enough for any Lib.

[purdygood 334]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The chaos that I remember came from the left.  

Then you might wanna take some Prevagen. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

The idea that this halfwit could get another SC judge should be enough for any Lib.

Will they be able to define what a woman is ? Will they also be a plagiarist? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Then you might wanna take some Prevagen. 

Oh. MAGA was doing all that looting,  rioting and burning for months? 

[thegeneral 2,899]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Will they be able to define what a woman is ? Will they also be a plagiarist? 

Yeah all those judges on the right are just angels Clarence probably has another house bought for him in the time I took to write this out.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah all those judges on the right are just angels Clarence probably has another house bought for him in the time I took to write this out.

 

Trump didn’t nominate him. 

[purdygood 334]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. MAGA was doing all that looting,  rioting and burning for months? 

BLM was.   Except for J6, that was ALL MAGA.  I still maintain most of the BLM riots were juvenile losers who have never voted in their life's, but whatever.   Trump was just a Clown Show all day every day with his press conferences and willy-nilly BS lies.  If he could just learn to STFU he would have maybe been looked at as a OK President. But he can't help himself. 

[thegeneral 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump didn’t nominate him. 

He’d pick another tight ass to replace him. This is just one of the many issues with another term of bozo. 

[jerryskids 6,561]

58 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Fair enough.  I just don't Trust that man and can not in good conscious vote for him.  If the Republicans had any spine and nominated ANYONE other than him. They would have my vote.

Sorry, but while this is popular to say, it's just false.  Whoever ran for the Republicans would be vilified by the MSDNC as "worse than Trump$#@!"

Don't believe me?  Remember when DeSantis looked like the Republican candidate?  Great article by the Hill describing my point:

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DeSantis is the greatest threat to America ever … until the next guy

The current election cycle is always the most important one of our lifetime, according to the people who need your vote.

Likewise, according to the same people, the opposing candidate is always more “unhinged” and more “dangerous” than his predecessor, even if the predecessor was characterized at the time as being a unique, once-in-a-lifetime existential threat to democracy.

Much like the “most-important-election-of-our-lifetime” trope, the “most-dangerous-opponent-ever” talking point has been routine in politics for some time. Recall that Joe Biden infamously warned that Mitt Romney, the milquetoastiest of milquetoast presidential candidates, would put Black people “back in chains.”

The new guy will always be worse than the last guy, regardless of what the new guy believes or supports. And nowhere is this cliché more obvious than in the political commentary surrounding the rise of Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.), including his entry last week into the 2024 Republican presidential primary.

Between 2015 and 2020 — and really even after that — former President Donald Trump was dubbed the greatest threat ever to face the republic, if not also a deranged lunatic. Watergate, 9/11 and even the Civil War seemed quaint in comparison to the calamity of Trump’s rise and his presidency.

But that was then, and this is now. Today, many of the people who said as recently as 2021 that Trump was the most dangerous man in U.S. history now say that DeSantis is the new most dangerous man in America. In fact, the Republican governor is worse, they say, than a supposedly nuclear war-happy Kremlin asset with dementia.

And this narrative proposing DeSantis as worse than Trump has increased in popularity directly proportional to the governor’s growing popularity with the conservative base during a primary election. This is not a coincidence.

“I say this with conviction,” former Republican congressman and current cable news analyst David Jolly declared this week on MSNBC. “I think Ron DeSantis is far more dangerous than Donald Trump for a very specific reason.” Trump is merely “transactional,” Jolly continued, whereas DeSantis is an actual “cultural warrior” who wants to “take us back 100 years and believes he can use the Constitution to do that.”

Jolly, you may recall, said of Trump in 2019 that he, “has torn at the fabric of who we are as a nation.” Jolly said elsewhere in an essay that Trump is “well known for his misogyny, his equivocation and manipulation on matters of race and racial justice, a man largely unable to tell the truth or accept accountability, a man of little intellect, conviction or ideology who is often willing, and at times seemingly longing, to display his lack of temperament and fitness on the world stage.”

Somehow, for Jolly, DeSantis is still worse than all that.

A recent HuffPo piece titled, “No One Is More Dangerous For The White House Than Ron DeSantis — Including Donald Trump” makes the exact same argument as Jolly. (“Imagine Donald Trump, it opens, but with brains and savvy.”) In 2017, HuffPo also published a headline declaring Trump the “Most Dangerous Man in the World,” so that changed quickly.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4030670-desantis-is-the-greatest-threat-to-america-ever-until-the-next-guy/

We would be sitting here with you telling us that if the Republicans nominated ANYONE but DeSantis, he'd have your vote.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

1 hour ago, purdygood said:

Fair enough.  I just don't Trust that man and can not in good conscience vote for him.  If the Republicans had any spine and nominated ANYONE other than him. They would have my vote.

Republicans may have had your vote but real republicans didn’t want who you “may” have voted for.  You’re not that big of a deal.

[purdygood 334]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but while this is popular to say, it's just false.  Whoever ran for the Republicans would be vilified by the MSDNC as "worse than Trump$#@!"

Don't believe me?  Remember when DeSantis looked like the Republican candidate?  Great article by the Hill describing my point:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4030670-desantis-is-the-greatest-threat-to-america-ever-until-the-next-guy/

We would be sitting here with you telling us that if the Republicans nominated ANYONE but DeSantis, he'd have your vote.

Well I don't watch MSNBC.  DeSantis has his own issues, Florida is a mess.  Why can't Republican's just find a normal Conservative candidate? Aren't Conservative's supposed to be warm, friendly, welcoming?  Not angry and accusatory victims at all times?

[purdygood 334]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

Republicans may have had your vote but real republicans didn’t want who you “may” have voted for.  You’re not that big of a deal.

Never said I was.  Then "real republicans" (AKA MAGA Cultist's) will never get my vote.  Shucks.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Just now, purdygood said:

Never said I was.  Then "real republicans" (AKA MAGA Cultist's) will never get my vote.  Shucks.

Don’t need it.  

[purdygood 334]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

Don’t need it.  

I'm sure you don't need it.  You are are filled up with that MAGA lovin all inside you.  Make sure to hit that P.Diddy estate sale for some extra baby oil.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm sure you don't need it.  You are are filled up with that MAGA lovin all inside you.  Make sure to hit that P.Diddy estate sale for some extra baby oil.

 

douchbag

[jerryskids 6,561]

7 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Well I don't watch MSNBC.  DeSantis has his own issues, Florida is a mess.  Why can't Republican's just find a normal Conservative candidate? Aren't Conservative's supposed to be warm, friendly, welcoming?  Not angry and accusatory victims at all times?

I said "MSDNC", a reference to the fact that the main stream media is in the hip pockets of the DNC.  

Florida is a mess?   Says the guy from California?  In the time it took me to write this, 20 more people moved out of CA.

Regardless, thanks for proving my point.  Apparently it's ANYONE but Trump... or DeSantis... or like the article said, whoever the Republicans ran.  

[Horseman 2,358]

purdynotsmart

[The Real timschochet 6,413]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but while this is popular to say, it's just false.  Whoever ran for the Republicans would be vilified by the MSDNC as "worse than Trump$#@!"

Don't believe me?  Remember when DeSantis looked like the Republican candidate?  Great article by the Hill describing my point:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4030670-desantis-is-the-greatest-threat-to-america-ever-until-the-next-guy/

We would be sitting here with you telling us that if the Republicans nominated ANYONE but DeSantis, he'd have your vote.

This will always be true of some Democrats. It’s not true of me. I voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, and I might do so again. 
 

I regard Donald Trump as uniquely awful. Furthermore I regard your argument as an excuse to avoid the truth of Donald Trump’s unique awfulness. 

[TrailGuy 552]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why? What did he do the first time that was so bad? 

 

[TrailGuy 552]

27 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but while this is popular to say, it's just false.  Whoever ran for the Republicans would be vilified by the MSDNC as "worse than Trump$#@!"

Don't believe me?  Remember when DeSantis looked like the Republican candidate?  Great article by the Hill describing my point:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4030670-desantis-is-the-greatest-threat-to-america-ever-until-the-next-guy/

We would be sitting here with you telling us that if the Republicans nominated ANYONE but DeSantis, he'd have your vote.

Nikki Haley.

[TimHauck 2,615]

25 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but while this is popular to say, it's just false.  Whoever ran for the Republicans would be vilified by the MSDNC as "worse than Trump$#@!"

Don't believe me?  Remember when DeSantis looked like the Republican candidate?  Great article by the Hill describing my point:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4030670-desantis-is-the-greatest-threat-to-america-ever-until-the-next-guy/

We would be sitting here with you telling us that if the Republicans nominated ANYONE but DeSantis, he'd have your vote.

Jerry, were you not one of the people saying the fact that Trump has had 2 assassination attempts on him is because he’s Trump?  Even if you didn’t say that that seems to be the general sentiment, wouldn’t that suggest a different Republican wouldn’t get the same treatment as Trump?  I mean unless it was someone like Mark Robinson or MTG.   

[The Real timschochet 6,413]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

All media.    Whether they are proposing it is true or proposing it is false.   The media cannot be trusted any longer.

@RLLD I like you. I find you thoughtful in your posts though I usually disagree with you. I enjoy discussing ideas with you. 
 

BUT- In another thread today you wrote that you  regard Donald Trump as fundamentally honest. Now you’re asserting here that the MSM is fundamentally dishonest. It’s hard for me to take you seriously after these two statements (unless, perhaps, the word “honesty” has a completely different meaning to you than it does to me?) 

[jerryskids 6,561]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Jerry, were you not one of the people saying the fact that Trump has had 2 assassination attempts on him is because he’s Trump?  Even if you didn’t say that that seems to be the general sentiment, wouldn’t that suggest a different Republican wouldn’t get the same treatment as Trump?  I mean unless it was someone like Mark Robinson or MTG.   

I may have said that.  It has nothing to do with my point.  If DeSantis had won the nom and the MSDNC continued it's assault of "he's Trumpier than Trump$#@!", are you saying there would not have been assassination attempts on him?

 

[jerryskids 6,561]

Here's another good one:  Larry Elder, conservative from @purdygood's state of CA, was a "white supremacist!" (yeah, he's black).

https://www.google.com/search?q=larry+elder+white+supremacist&oq=larry+elder+white+supremacist&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDYxMzlqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[The Real timschochet 6,413]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Here's another good one:  Larry Elder, conservative from @purdygood's state of CA, was a "white supremacist!" (yeah, he's black).

https://www.google.com/search?q=larry+elder+white+supremacist&oq=larry+elder+white+supremacist&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDYxMzlqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

White supremacy is a set of ideas (dangerous ones.) Larry Elder is absolutely a white supremacist. It’s really too bad- 30 years ago he was a reasonable libertarian. Only the last few years has he gone off the deep end along with his buddy Dennis Prager. Hugh Hewitt knows better but is willing to go along to avoid losing his show. The only one of those guys with integrity is Michael Medved and he’s lost most of his audience as a result. 

[TimHauck 2,615]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I may have said that.  It has nothing to do with my point.  If DeSantis had won the nom and the MSDNC continued it's assault of "he's Trumpier than Trump$#@!", are you saying there would not have been assassination attempts on him?

 

I have no idea.  But he already pissed off Disney fans, so if they didn’t already try to assassinate him I’m not sure they will in the future

[jerryskids 6,561]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I have no idea.  But he already pissed off Disney fans, so if they didn’t already try to assassinate him I’m not sure they will in the future

I know more adult Disney fans than I care to admit -- none of them strike me as a "sniper on the roof" kinda person.

That being said, your logic is flawed.  Every politician has upset parts of his/her constituency, that comes with the territory.  Most don't get shot though, because they aren't the evil Nazi dictator threat to democracy that Trump (or DeSantis or...) is.

[RLLD 4,143]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@RLLD I like you. I find you thoughtful in your posts though I usually disagree with you. I enjoy discussing ideas with you. 
 

BUT- In another thread today you wrote that you  regard Donald Trump as fundamentally honest. Now you’re asserting here that the MSM is fundamentally dishonest. It’s hard for me to take you seriously after these two statements (unless, perhaps, the word “honesty” has a completely different meaning to you than it does to me?) 

Trump is honest to a fault, its his main weakness.  He constantly says things without the requisite caution that a politician should have, conversely Harris lies incessantly, lies of omission mostly.  She is cautious to a fault.  I am sure Trump lies, though his lies are often meaningless.....  He often uses sarcasm a little recklessly, not realizing his political opponents will leverage it against him, as if he is actually saying things literally.

Media, all of it, lies ruthlessly to serve their respective political alignments.   This is a different problem.  The media is supposed to be serving us....you and I....the people.....instead they serve a political wing.  So yeah, my expectation for the media is different than my expectations for political players. 

[jerryskids 6,561]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

White supremacy is a set of ideas (dangerous ones.) Larry Elder is absolutely a white supremacist. It’s really too bad- 30 years ago he was a reasonable libertarian. Only the last few years has he gone off the deep end along with his buddy Dennis Prager. Hugh Hewitt knows better but is willing to go along to avoid losing his show. The only one of those guys with integrity is Michael Medved and he’s lost most of his audience as a result. 

This should be good...  care to defend this assertion?  I read the LA Times op ed pablum that seems to have started the ball rolling; her main argument seems to be that some racists support Elder, ergo Elder is a racist.  

If somehow you slog through to the end of the article, she says his (libertarian) objection to 3 policies are examples as well:

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Underscoring this are the findings from a new poll of Black Americans conducted by the Black to the Future Action Fund. Among the top policy priorities respondents identified, Elder opposes three of them.

Those include raising the minimum wage, which he thinks should be zero, and creating a guaranteed income until the COVID-19 pandemic is over, which Elder, with his libertarian leanings, sees as encouraging government dependency.

The third policy priority, addressing the structural racism of white supremacy, particularly within police departments, is something that Elder doesn’t even think exists.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-27/larry-elders-recall-fans-prove-hes-face-white-supremacy

Got any actual evidence?  Because this isn't it.

[TimHauck 2,615]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I know more adult Disney fans than I care to admit -- none of them strike me as a "sniper on the roof" kinda person.

That being said, your logic is flawed.  Every politician has upset parts of his/her constituency, that comes with the territory.  Most don't get shot though, because they aren't the evil Nazi dictator threat to democracy that Trump (or DeSantis or...) is.

I was somewhat joking.  I have no idea if they’d try to assassinate him.  But even Trump didn’t come that close to being assassinated until about 8 years after he was first elected 

[jbycho 588]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I was somewhat joking.  I have no idea if they’d try to assassinate him.  But even Trump didn’t come that close to being assassinated until about 8 years after he was first elected 

You are lost. You really need a break. Take up checkers or something. 

[jonmx 2,424]

It is funny in a quite sad way that leftist do not see massive corporate monopolies and unchecked rogue federal agencies with limitless power as a threat to Democracy.  But they see every day people who support things like free speech, self-defense, privacy protection, being able to raise children with their values as the threat to democracy.   It baffles all logic.  

[TimHauck 2,615]

7 minutes ago, jbycho said:

You are lost. You really need a break. Take up checkers or something. 

Did I miss Trump getting shot before July 2024?