If Trump wins

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You have no idea what I’m talking about, really.

No one does, including you.

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No one does, including you.

 

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12 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

what happened to you?  I don't remember you being so far off the rails on the other board.  You've turned into a TDS afflicted lunatic with a penchant for revisionist history.

I can remember the actual moment when March 2020 the stock market was falling a thousand points per hour. Do you remember that? Serious question.

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The Jew card.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I can remember the actual moment when March 2020 the stock market was falling a thousand points per hour. Do you remember that? Serious question.

Wait, are you really going to try and blame Trump for that?  

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6 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Wait, are you really going to try and blame Trump for that?

No, I don’t blame him for a virus. I blame him for pretending it wasn’t happening beforehand & for pretending it never happened now. That moment was the single honest moment of his presidency.

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16 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I can remember the actual moment when March 2020 the stock market was falling a thousand points per hour. Do you remember that? Serious question.

Hmmm...what was going on in March of 2020?  I wonder.  Do you know?

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No, I don’t blame him for a virus. I blame him for pretending it wasn’t happening beforehand & for pretending it never happened now. That moment was the single honest moment of his presidency.

Alrighty then, cause it sure seemed like you were implying the stock market crash was his fault.

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One thing that has been proven, consistently ans constantly, is that Timmy is very bad at political predictions.  So yeah, theres that

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2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Alrighty then, cause it sure seemed like you were implying the stock market crash was his fault.

I was more so addressing ‘the world didn’t end’ point, because it damn near well did.

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5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Hmmm...what was going on in March of 2020?  I wonder.  Do you know?

IIRC just in the days & weeks ahead Trump was claiming there was no pandemic, no emergency.

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

IIRC just in the days & weeks ahead Trump was claiming there was no pandemic, no emergency.

Jfc youre still on this?  Holy fock move on dude

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

move on

The man’s running for president. 

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6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The man’s running for president. 

So?

My gubbernor wouldnt let me buy vegetable seeds for my garden.  Ive moved on

 

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3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

So?

So his record & character back to 2017 are important. What do you think about his own VP, his NSAs (except for Flynn), 1/2 his chiefs of staff, & 40 of his 44 cabinet members either outright opposing him or refusing to endorse him?

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I still don’t think Trump is going to win, but he’s tied in the polls and the momentum for now appears to be on his side. So I have to consider it a strong possibility. Ugh. Even so I remain an optimist. Here’s what I think and hope if that happens: 

1. Trump has promised a 20% tariff on all imports from all countries, higher on China. My friend @jerryskids assures me this will never actually happen, that it’s simply a starting point in a negotiation to get other countries to trade with us more fairly. So I’m going to hope that he is right about this. Or, if he is wrong, I’m going to trust that the immediate economic backlash of such actions will force Trump to withdraw the tariffs shortly after he has enforced them. 

2. Trump has promised to institute mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. For that he needs money, tons of it, and the willingness of Congress to go along. Ultimately he won’t get it. There will be a lot of fear and IMO bad results as he reinstates some of the awful executive orders from his previous term. Eventually we will have a more comprehensive solution to this issue but that will have to wait. 

3. We will cut off aid to Ukraine. That WILL happen and it likely means Ukraine will have to concede large areas of territory to Russia ala the Munich conference of 1938. Trump may also pull out of NATO. Trump may also refuse to defend Taiwan and refuse to defend South Korea. Expect an isolationist push around the world, except for Israel which we will unequivocally support no matter what actions they take. Conservatives apparently believe this will make us safer (or at least it won’t harm us). I doubt that but I will hope they’re right. 
 

4. Trump will seek a tax cut but he’ll only get one if the House stays Republican, which is a 50/50 bet. Either way so long as the tariffs and trade war are avoided the economy should continue to improve as we are a robust nation and capitalism works. Trump will take credit but I don’t care; I want good things to happen always and it disgusts me when people, including those on my side, root for bad things to happen because the wrong guy is President. So hopefully the economy booms. But if Trump gets his tariffs you can throw that all out the window. 

5. Liberals fear that Trump will end our democracy. I’ve never believed this. He is an authoritarian and he will attempt to weaponize the DOJ (no it is not weaponized now) to punish his enemies. These attempts will likely fail. 

6. Conservatives expect a Trump victory will mean an end to all of the woke culture they detest about modern American society. That won’t happen. Woke is mostly inevitable change, and IMO positive change. Transgenders, gays, women, blacks, will continue to gain more and more rights even during the next 4 years despite attempts to slow that down. Eventually women will regain the right to abortion once again everywhere in this country. I’m extremely confident about this. Just may take a little longer. 
 

7. The argument over climate change will be unaffected because there’s not much difference in policy between the two parties. Harris’ current views on fracking represents a truth that liberals will never admit: no matter how bad climate change gets we will never try to fight it by punishing big industry and the consumer. It will never happen. At some point some President is going to wake up and propose a huge investment into nuclear energy, and particularly nuclear fusion. If that’s Trump then despite everything else he could still go down as one of our greatest Presidents. 
 

So that’s all for now. If Trump wins I will wish him well because I wish this country well and he will be my President. I will hope for the best. 

1. Might happen. 

2. Won't happen. The elites of the Republican Party enjoy the fruits of illegal labor as much as anyone else.  They're not giving that up.  There will be a few "high profile" deportation move as he tries to convince people he's going to do this....but the Party won't allow it.

3. This is one that could happen.  He and the Republicans have piped this is throwing money away....for him to not do it in some manner will look weak.  

4.  He'll push for a tax cut.  That's as tried and true amongst the Republicans as the 2nd Amendment.

5. He (or the Party) will fill as many spots as they can with "more loyal" people.  

6. His win will encourage and embolden the anti-woke moment.  File this one under the idea that " I don't know if Donald Trump is a racist....but people who admit to being racists support Donald Trump".

7. The climate and nature will suffer due to a lifting of restrictions.

 

Trump will have 4 years.  He should be looking at this like he only has 2 years....as it would stand to reason that his Party will take a hit in the mid-terms.  There's no long game with this Presidency.  If it doesn't happen in the first 6 months; it ain't going to happen.  

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13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

So his record & character back to 2017 are important. What do you think about his own VP, his NSAs (except for Flynn), 1/2 his chiefs of staff, & 40 of his 44 cabinet members either outright opposing him or refusing to endorse him?

They all wrote books.  

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

So his record & character back to 2017 are important. What do you think about his own VP, his NSAs (except for Flynn), 1/2 his chiefs of staff, & 40 of his 44 cabinet members either outright opposing him or refusing to endorse him?

Sooooo.  Youre off the silly covid argument?

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Why do you fockin d bags respond to this attention hore? 

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19 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

They all wrote books.  

Your explanation is that Mike Pence - so desperate for money & a future in politics - became the first VP to refuse to endorse his president in reelection so he could sell more books. Remarkable.

And then (!) this happened 39 times as people hand selected by Trump himself to lead the nation’s most critical sectors all - 39 times plus NSAs & COSs - all had books so they decided to revoke their own political futures in the GOP to tell people he’s a danger to the country. 

 

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Youre off the silly covid argument?

Ok let’s pick another crisis. North Korea. On the verge of having a nuclear program. His reaction was to go to NOKO & personally embrace the murderer of Otto Warmbier. Now NOKO is developing ICBMs that can strike the US.

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok let’s pick another crisis. North Korea. On the verge of having a nuclear program. His reaction was to go to NOKO & personally embrace the murderer of Otto Warmbier. Now NOKO is developing ICBMs that can strike the US.

Strange.  That happened in the last four years right?  Wonder why?

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Strange.  That happened in the last four years right?  Wonder why?

North Korea developed their first active nuclear weapons under Donald’s administration. 

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Are you saying if democrats were in power during the trump administration n korea would not have nukes?

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Are you saying if democrats were in power during the trump administration n korea would not have nukes?

didn't obama give the iranians literal pallets of cash to continue their nuclear program? 

But we're worried about Trump? 

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

 

Are you saying if democrats were in power during the trump administration n korea would not have nukes?

I’m saying the US wouldn’t have crawled on its belly & kissed his feet in the process of it. Even Obama sent Stuxnet into the Iranian nuke program.

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6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

North Korea developed their first active nuclear weapons under Donald’s administration. 

This is patently false.  Dude!  Revisionist history much?

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

didn't obama give the iranians literal pallets of cash to continue their nuclear program?

Stuxnet.

But also if there’s anything dumber than handing money over to corrupt theocrats it’s revoking the deal & getting absolutely nothing out of it. Btw that money we handed over wasn’t strictly money, it was their frozen assets they wanted badly. We had 1 shot at using it.

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7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

This is patently false.  Dude!  Revisionist history much?

This is what I’m referring to.

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If he wins he has a real focking mess to clean up. I hope he can do it, but my god the Democrats have really made a mess of things.

He has to address the border right away, and move quickly to start deportation of as many as possible.

he also has to unfock the economic damage done, and that will not be easy.

But I also want him to gut the focking DOJ….i mean clean it the fock out. Not sure if it will be possible to prevent further abuse, but I hope through complete new leadership the malfeasance that has typified the DOJ can at least be muted

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m saying the US wouldn’t have crawled on its belly & kissed his feet in the process of it. Even Obama sent Stuxnet into the Iranian nuke program.

Im not sure of your point here. You made the statement that they developed their first active nuclear weapons under trump.  So im asking, if trump hadnt been president are you saying that would not have happened?  It seems youre blaming him for that so im trying to understand

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Im not sure of your point here. You made the statement that they developed their first active nuclear weapons under trump.  So im asking, if trump hadnt been president are you saying that would not have happened?  It seems youre blaming him for that so im trying to understand

Trump likes to say things like ‘it wouldn’t have happened under my watch’. It might have happened nonetheless, or perhaps the US might have taken cyber steps like we did Iran, cut a deal like we did with NK under Clinton, or gone in like we did under Bush with Iraq. But we wouldn’t have done worse than nothing, which is what happened.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump likes to say things like ‘it wouldn’t have happened under my watch’. It might have happened nonetheless, or perhaps the US might have taken cyber steps like we did Iran, cut a deal like we did with NK under Clinton, or gone in like we did under Bush with Iraq. But we wouldn’t have done worse than nothing, which is what happened.

Well then why hasnt the current administration,  in the last 4 years done anything?

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Well then why hasnt the current administration,  in the last 4 years done anything?

It likely has something to do with the development of H-bomb level capable ICBMs developed by 2020.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump likes to say things like ‘it wouldn’t have happened under my watch’. It might have happened nonetheless, or perhaps the US might have taken cyber steps like. we did Iran, cut a deal like we did with NK under Clinton, or gone in like we did under Bush with Iraq. But we wouldn’t have done worse than nothing, which is what happened.

Woah.  Hang on a second. Are you suggesting going into NK as an option?  Seriously?  

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It likely has something to do with the development of H-bomb level capable ICBMs developed by 2020.

So youre saying its all Trumps fault so stop trying anything going forward.  Gotcha 

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Woah.  Hang on a second. Are you suggesting going into NK as an option?  Seriously?  

Absolutely that was an option. But I’m not suggesting that. I’m saying we did worse than nothing. The American president went to the last Stalinist, communist dictator in the world, physically visited his outlaw regime & embraced him. He could’ve played golf & it would’ve been preferable.

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

So youre saying its all Trumps fault so stop trying anything going forward.  Gotcha 

No I’m pointing out that was a second of two failed crises. 

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No I’m pointing out that was a second of two failed crises. 

Democrats have controlled the white house for 12 of the last 16 years.  Its amazing NK could develop an entire nuclear program, feom step one, in those 4 years.  Amazing

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Democrats have controlled the white house for 12 of the last 16 years.  Its amazing NK could develop an entire nuclear program, feom step one, in those 4 years.  Amazing

Of course I agree it was a long process. We could look at McArthur’s screwup. Or Bush’s canceling the payments deal. It was a long road. But that was a crucial moment. He still embraces Kim, loves him.