Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

1 hour ago, BrahmaBulls said:

How many years of testing was done before forcing it on the public?

Ah so there was testing, thanks for the backup here.

It was quick thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.  You dare question Trump's program?

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Woke School teacher is going to tell us how and how long the COVID vaccine was tested.  

Doesn't realize that he is the test  

Go! 

So you admit now it was tested?  Are you gonna eat crow now?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

2 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

So you admit now it was tested?  Are you gonna eat crow now?

So, are you very upset about abortion being banned nationwide? 

[BrahmaBulls 628]

5 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Ah so there was testing, thanks for the backup here.

It was quick thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.  You dare question Trump's program?

Trump gets credit for the vaccine now?

[jerryskids 6,548]

9 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Berts good peeps. 

You too. 

Sounds like a great time.

 

 

 

 

Thanks.  How are you doing?   

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Trump gets credit for the vaccine now?

For his support of the program absolutely.  You wanna blame him for it?

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

12 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Ah so there was testing, thanks for the backup here.

It was quick thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.  You dare question Trump's program?

They also don't seem to know that mRNA testing of vaccines has been ongoing for a long time.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

 

And I know they will discount this but- the NIAID has stuff on this timeline as well: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

They also don't seem to know that mRNA testing of vaccines has been ongoing for a long time.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

 

And I know they will discount this but- the NIAID has stuff on this timeline as well: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines

It's an odd flaw in the Maga logic.  Trump planted seeds of distrust for the govt for years, deep state BS, then pandemic and his only option to getting reelected was to end the pandemic and the vaccine was the way to do it.  Maga was OK with this as long as it meant another 4 years.  Then he lost and the vaccine is released, but it's released under Biden.  So of course the narrative is the election was stolen, the deep state wins and the vaccine is not a real vaccine, since it helps Biden end the pandemic.  Antivax sentiment has gone mainstream within the right and now they have an anti-vax HHS director, so they can't talk about how Trump fast tracked a safe and effective vaccine anymore because it contradicts the narrative.

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

16 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

It's an odd flaw in the Maga logic.  Trump planted seeds of distrust for the govt for years, deep state BS, then pandemic and his only option to getting reelected was to end the pandemic and the vaccine was the way to do it.  Maga was OK with this as long as it meant another 4 years.  Then he lost and the vaccine is released, but it's released under Biden.  So of course the narrative is the election was stolen, the deep state wins and the vaccine is not a real vaccine, since it helps Biden end the pandemic.  Antivax sentiment has gone mainstream within the right and now they have an anti-vax HHS director, so they can't talk about how Trump fast tracked a safe and effective vaccine anymore because it contradicts the narrative.

Right...there are things to criticize Trump over. The vaccine push isn't one of them and it's sad he didn't stand behind it at the time. 

[lickin_starfish 1,889]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:46 PM, Death said:

More than 700,000 ditch X for Bluesky.

Looks like Timmy Hauck has a bluesky account. 

https://x.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1858905448918716914

[nobody 2,557]

5 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

It's an odd flaw in the Maga logic.  Trump planted seeds of distrust for the govt for years, deep state BS, then pandemic and his only option to getting reelected was to end the pandemic and the vaccine was the way to do it.  Maga was OK with this as long as it meant another 4 years.  Then he lost and the vaccine is released, but it's released under Biden.  So of course the narrative is the election was stolen, the deep state wins and the vaccine is not a real vaccine, since it helps Biden end the pandemic.  Antivax sentiment has gone mainstream within the right and now they have an anti-vax HHS director, so they can't talk about how Trump fast tracked a safe and effective vaccine anymore because it contradicts the narrative.

Damn, gutter.  That's not even close.

Vaccine was developed under trump.  That was a good thing.

After it came out, people realized it wasn't necessary to take for young healthy people, and it wasn't effective against later covid strains.  All the while, the Biden administration lied about those two things and later about it causing heart issues as long as they possibly could while also mandating large populations get the completing unnecessary jabs.  

If they didn't lie about it being 100% safe and effective and saying things like, "if you get the shot, you won't get covid" there would've been no talk of "it's not a vaccine," but they were so desperate for whatever board seats and kick backs Bourla was going to hook them up with, they needed everyone taking it.

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

16 minutes ago, nobody said:

Damn, gutter.  That's not even close.

Vaccine was developed under trump.  That was a good thing.

After it came out, people realized it wasn't necessary to take for young healthy people, and it wasn't effective against later covid strains.  All the while, the Biden administration lied about those two things and later about it causing heart issues as long as they possibly could while also mandating large populations get the completing unnecessary jabs.  

If they didn't lie about it being 100% safe and effective and saying things like, "if you get the shot, you won't get covid" there would've been no talk of "it's not a vaccine," but they were so desperate for whatever board seats and kick backs Bourla was going to hook them up with, they needed everyone taking it.

This is hilarious.  How many posts have you made claiming it's not a vaccine it's a shot?

So yeah, good thing it came out, when it came out is was safe and effective against the Alpha and Beta.  Then when Delta hit we saw that people were still getting sick but just not as sick and not dying, again a good thing.

Mandates, not good.  Biden lying about saying that you get the vaccine you won't get covid, not good.  I don't think anyone ever said 100% safe and effective as nothing ever is, you made that up.

So you take a few little things that were not good, and then your weak mind falls for this conspiracy theories about kick backs how it's not a vaccine.

And Wah-lah, you're an anti-vaxer.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

The new Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick strikes me as a smart guy and a decent guy. Unfortunately, like Trump, he appears to view broad tariffs not as a negotiating tool but as a permanent fixture. I don’t really understand how any one versed at all in economics could believe this. But I guess we will learn shortly. 

Unlike almost everything else that Trump is proposing, he can pretty much do whatever he wants with regard to tariffs without Comgressional approval. 

[jerryskids 6,548]

5 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

It's an odd flaw in the Maga logic.  Trump planted seeds of distrust for the govt for years, deep state BS, then pandemic and his only option to getting reelected was to end the pandemic and the vaccine was the way to do it.  Maga was OK with this as long as it meant another 4 years.  Then he lost and the vaccine is released, but it's released under Biden.  So of course the narrative is the election was stolen, the deep state wins and the vaccine is not a real vaccine, since it helps Biden end the pandemic.  Antivax sentiment has gone mainstream within the right and now they have an anti-vax HHS director, so they can't talk about how Trump fast tracked a safe and effective vaccine anymore because it contradicts the narrative.

It actually was released the week after the election, technically under Trump, but too late to help Trump win.

There is some good evidence that this is not a coincidence; that a small group orchestrated the delay of the release until after the election.  @TimHauckhas the receipts on this, so I'll let him provide links if he so chooses.  But this is the most obvious example of the 2020 election being "stolen," but for some reason no one talks about it.   

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The new Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick strikes me as a smart guy and a decent guy. Unfortunately, like Trump, he appears to view broad tariffs not as a negotiating tool but as a permanent fixture. I don’t really understand how any one versed at all in economics could believe this. But I guess we will learn shortly. 

Unlike almost everything else that Trump is proposing, he can pretty much do whatever he wants with regard to tariffs without Comgressional approval. 

He explains it quite well, if you want to educate yourself.  This guy seems like a winning pick:

 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It actually was released the week after the election, technically under Trump, but too late to help Trump win.

There is some good evidence that this is not a coincidence; that a small group orchestrated the delay of the release until after the election.  @TimHauckhas the receipts on this, so I'll let him provide links if he so chooses.  But this is the most obvious example of the 2020 election being "stolen," but for some reason no one talks about it.   

Because the timing doesn’t work. For this to have made a difference in 2020 the vaccine would have had to be not only released but distributed to the public at least a few months before the election. That didn’t happen until March of 2021. 

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It actually was released the week after the election, technically under Trump, but too late to help Trump win.

There is some good evidence that this is not a coincidence; that a small group orchestrated the delay of the release until after the election.  @TimHauckhas the receipts on this, so I'll let him provide links if he so chooses.  But this is the most obvious example of the 2020 election being "stolen," but for some reason no one talks about it.   

The 2020 election was not stolen you big baby.

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because the timing doesn’t work. For this to have made a difference in 2020 the vaccine would have had to be not only released but distributed to the public at least a few months before the election. That didn’t happen until March of 2021. 

Are you saying that the release of the vaccine prior to the election would not have been a significant bump to Trump, even if it hadn't been fully distributed yet?

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

He explains it quite well, if you want to educate yourself.  This guy seems like a winning pick:

 

OK that’s not what was reported. If what he’s saying is what Trump is going to do, I can accept that. (Still don’t agree but I can deal with it.) 

But again, Trump is saying something different. So I guess we’ll see. This gives me hope. 

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

The 202 election was not stolen you big baby.

Like I said, Tim has the receipts.  If he doesn't care to share them at some point, I can Google around to them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Are you saying that the release of the vaccine prior to the election would not have been a significant bump to Trump, even if it hadn't been fully distributed yet?

Yes. It would not have helped Trump significantly IMO. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Specifically- if there’s to be no tariffs on items we don’t make here that would make a tremendous difference (to my own business as well). Let’s see if Lutnick is right about that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Same people that think the CIA didn’t conspire to interfere in the election in 2020 despite it being proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. 

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK that’s not what was reported. If what he’s saying is what Trump is going to do, I can accept that. (Still don’t agree but I can deal with it.) 

But again, Trump is saying something different. So I guess we’ll see. This gives me hope. 

Thanks.  He explains, as I've postulated, that Trump is looking to bring these countries to the table. 

Also, the tariffs under the Marshall Plan need to be torn up.

He also explained that Trump understands for an election that you need to speak in broad brushes to get your main point across.  It's not dissimilar to "they're eating the cats," which was code for "we've got an illegal immigration problem."  In this case, Trump doesn't want to confuse people by getting mired in the details of stuff like "well, we'll tariff this but not that, and if 51% is made in the US we won't, but we will on the components for repairs, and blah blah blah..."   Trump is an idea guy, not a details guy.

 

[jerryskids 6,548]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. It would not have helped Trump significantly IMO. 

We can agree to disagree on this.  IMO the announcement of the vaccine was a huge positive reaction from the populace.  I don't recall any reporting prior to it that it was imminently going to happen; instead it came of as quite a (positive) surprise.

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

45 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He explains it quite well, if you want to educate yourself.  This guy seems like a winning pick:

 

I watched :32s and he told 2 giant lies.  He says Europe and Japan have 100% tariffs on US cars.  Wrong, or a lie.  EU has a 10% tariff and Japan has 0% tariffs.

So he's either really dumb or a liar.  Perfect fit for the Trump admin.

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Like I said, Tim has the receipts.  If he doesn't care to share them at some point, I can Google around to them. 

There is no receipt that says the election was stolen.  Stop.

[Strike 5,182]

35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. It would not have helped Trump significantly IMO. 

Well what was your opinion about who would win the election a couple weeks ago?  You don't have to answer

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well what was your opinion about who would win the election a couple weeks ago?  You don't have to answer

Your next interesting post will be your first. 

[jerryskids 6,548]

30 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

There is no receipt that says the election was stolen.  Stop.

The receipts show that the release was intentionally delayed.  Of course we don't know exactly the influence.

Maybe you should take a break, Gutter.  You seem quite distraught.  Perhaps you can assuage your gardener that he probably won't be immediately deported? 

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The receipts show that the release was intentionally delayed.  Of course we don't know exactly the influence.

Maybe you should take a break, Gutter.  You seem quite distraught.  Perhaps you can assuage your gardener that he probably won't be immediately deported? 

Any intentional delay does not mean the election was stolen.  It makes you look really stupid to say this.

It also makes you look stupid when you post a video of a guy who has no idea what tariffs the US has.  I'm not the one that needs to take a break.  I'm not the one espousing lies and conspiracy theories.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

2 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

  I'm not the one that needs to take a break.  I'm not the one espousing lies and conspiracy theories.

Slow down GUTTERBOY, you're about to trigger yourself  

[jerryskids 6,548]

23 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Any intentional delay does not mean the election was stolen.  It makes you look really stupid to say this.

It also makes you look stupid when you post a video of a guy who has no idea what tariffs the US has.  I'm not the one that needs to take a break.  I'm not the one espousing lies and conspiracy theories.

I can feel my laptop shaking from the rage on your end.  Maybe go talk to somebody, mkay?  You were once a good poster here, and I'm confident you can be that again.   

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

There is no receipt that says the election was stolen.  Stop.

 

 

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I can feel my laptop shaking from the rage on your end.  Maybe go talk to somebody, mkay?  You were once a good poster here, and I'm confident you can be that again.   

So instead of admitting you don't know what you're talking about you're gonna go personal attacks.

Here's your chance to show me how smart you are.  Tell me more about those 100% tariffs the EU and Japan have on us cars

Let's see those stolen election receipts

[jerryskids 6,548]

4 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

So instead of admitting you don't know what you're talking about you're gonna go personal attacks.

Here's your chance to show me how smart you are.  Tell me more about those 100% tariffs the EU and Japan have on us cars

Let's see those stolen election receipts

The personal attack is because, as I just said, you seem particularly unhinged.  You don't see it -- unhinged people rarely do.  But I'll address your points.

To paraphrase you from a few days ago, you don't read well.  I told you Tim Hauck has the receipts.  I haven't seen him here today.  But he is the staunchest defender of the Covid vax here.  I'll wait to see if he responds.

On the tariffs -- first search shows you are right, for Japan anyway.  I haven't looked into EU countries.  If he was FOS, it shouldn't take long for the leftist MSDNC to confirm it.  Once that plays out, I'll do the appropriate mea culpa.

That being said, it seems that there are significant impediments to selling American cars in Japan, and the trade difference is startling.  I could see things changing in the way auto trade happens.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Gutter boy and others are too lazy to mow their own lawn. 

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The personal attack is because, as I just said, you seem particularly unhinged.  You don't see it -- unhinged people rarely do.  But I'll address your points.

To paraphrase you from a few days ago, you don't read well.  I told you Tim Hauck has the receipts.  I haven't seen him here today.  But he is the staunchest defender of the Covid vax here.  I'll wait to see if he responds.

On the tariffs -- first search shows you are right, for Japan anyway.  I haven't looked into EU countries.  If he was FOS, it shouldn't take long for the leftist MSDNC to confirm it.  Once that plays out, I'll do the appropriate mea culpa.

That being said, it seems that there are significant impediments to selling American cars in Japan, and the trade difference is startling.  I could see things changing in the way auto trade happens.

I am not unhinged but I am aware of the tactic to call someone unhinged after getting called out for being wrong.  So I get what you're doing.

You were able to google Japan us auto tariffs.  Nice job buddy.  I would assume you could replace Japan with EU without needing MSNBC report the story for you, but maybe I expect too much.

So anyway when you're sharing videos of trump minions and telling Tim to watch and educate himself, you might want to do the same to avoid looking like a fool like this.  For future reference.

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutter boy and others are too lazy to mow their own lawn. 

I mow my own lawn you creepy stalker

[OldMaid 2,129]

6 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

I know my own lawn you creepy stalker

If you’re getting to know your lawn, your social circle could use expanding.